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Superthread LXVI: Honouring Whinging Dragons Fans

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Red Bear

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Treating the education and health areas from a neo-liberal, market based approach is madness, IMO. Just because you add an excise doesn't mean demand will go down. It'll likely stay similar. It's just a way to profiteer off the sick and vulnerable at the end of the day.

Of course, we all pay for medicare already. It's a community funded scheme because at some point in time this country realised, like several societies, that the greater good demands health care to be available for all. So whilst it's a drop in the ocean cash wise the mentality change the excise on doctors visits etc brings about is I think concerning, the idea that as a society we no longer really give a f**k about anyone but number one.
 

muzby

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Well I am hardly affected by the budget. Dont know what people are whinging about. $7 to go to the doctor, whoopdy doo.

dunno man..

what about when it's getting close to payday and it's a choice between going to the doctor or buying your mid-afternoon long neck?
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Misanthrope

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I would expect her to make you dinner more than that actually...

I think it's a fair deal. I take her out and buy her dinner, and she lets me do things to her.

Untrue. Well, at least, not in protestant circles. I've spent a lot of time learning about different denominations and different religions and faiths. We do it in apologetics and interfaith dialogue. We have to. It's a non-negotiable.

I can quite happily discuss with you the stark differences between Islam and Christianity, or the finer points of Presbyterianism to Anglicanism.

That's good to know. Just about the only aspect of studying religion that interests me would be the history and social context of the different religions.

We can't afford to be ignorant. I'll admit I wouldn't teach an Orthodox / Catholic class as I don't feel it is honest for me to represent something that is quite different to what I believe, but I know a lot about it.

So, how do we decide which religion is represented at which school? Does it come down to which religion the party in power supports? The ones with the most political clout? Do you vary it based on region?

I mean, if you're going to do it, shouldn't every major faith be represented at every school? Or do we only teach Christianity as it is the majority religion in Australia?
 

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So, how do we decide which religion is represented at which school? Does it come down to which religion the party in power supports? The ones with the most political clout? Do you vary it based on region?

I mean, if you're going to do it, shouldn't every major faith be represented at every school? Or do we only teach Christianity as it is the majority religion in Australia?

If the government was actually serious, it would have a group of chaplains representing all the major faiths, that would then service all the different schools.

How it would service that is anyone's guess. I have a number of different idea's but they're all pretty simple. In short, small group of chaplains servicing multiple schools so the financial burden isn't huge.
 
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For me, I am a big fan of the budget bar the Chaplaincy program. School is for learning English, Maths, Science, etc. Church / Temple / Mosque is for learning about Religion. $240m+ is something schools could have used far more effectively elsewhere.
 

whall15

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Telstra are useless. Getting speeds of 1mb/s down from Australian servers and 20kb/s down from foreign servers.

First they tell me it's a coincidence and then they change their mind and want me to pay $15/mth for some additional technical support.
 

Drew-Sta

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Quick, whall, we better sell Telstra off so the private sector can improve its service and make it work better.

Oh wait...
 

Apey

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Atheist claims are the same; we believe we hold the truth, which is there is no God. Its an exclusive truth claim.

I dislike this definition that gets thrown around a lot. There is an important distinction between rejecting/absence of the belief in a God and believing there is no God. The latter is fine in everyday chat but if you're trying to have a genuine debate with some it's just logically incoherent and should be interpreted as lacking a belief in a God.

I agree, he isn't going to turn them away. Just like an atheist school teacher isn't going to be shy in what he teaches about his belief in the origins of the world. Once again, we have no problem with a science teacher doing that. But when religions request an equal footing, then people get uneasy and point to separation of church and state.

Heh. The key difference is facts. The science teacher should be teaching facts. I have no problem with a science teacher teaching facts because these facts don't interfere with my world view. If you mean that they shouldn't be telling students that this proves that God doesn't exist or is therefore unlikely (i.e sharing their atheist-minded conclusions) then I agree. Much like I'd expect a religious science teacher to stick to the facts and not sneak in a "but this doesn't exclude God, children!" or a "... which was all thanks to God!".

People get uneasy when religions request equal footing because religion is not on equal footing with Science in a fact-based learning environment. This is something many religious people have trouble accepting.

Currently, schools support a secular worldview because, in good sense, it is working and we live in a multicultural environment where plurality of beliefs exist. I'm not upset with the current methodology or approach. But I am saying it isn't fair to now take that a step further and completely divorce any teaching /access of religion from schools as that will be to support secular worldview to the exclusion of religious worldview.

I don't really understand why if religion is such a personal/spiritual topic that it can't be taught in the home by family or at Church. That being said, elective religious classes don't bother me too much, as long as it's not core/compulsory.

Eh? How? Like teaching secularism isn't going to offend a large segment of the community? Your own argument folds in on itself.

How does one even teach secularism? The point of secularism is to be free from religious based rulings and teachings. When religious subjects are only elective and not compulsory, I'd argue you've achieved a reasonable level of secularism. Don't get me wrong, I'd totally be in favour of complete separation, but surely this is a decent middle-ground.
 
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