Beer + wine time!i am going to murder beer o'clock today..
Why is it ok for you to say that? I mean, whether you believe in it or not - why belittle people over it?
It was contextual. I was using hyperbole to make a point in the first instance that there would likely be contemporary historical evidence of a somewhat notable local figure returning from the dead and in the second instance to show that there was no eyewitness testimony of the virgin part of the virgin birth.
Plus it was in response to the mocking tone of the first sentence of the post that it is somehow self-evident that not only a god, but yours exist and to somehow miss all of the 'evidence' makes someone implicitly stupid.
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Why is it ok for you to say that? I mean, whether you believe in it or not - why belittle people over it?
I was in agreement until the bit about Mary's hymen integrity. I mean, at the time, Jesus could be considered a terrorist by the Romans even though he was largely non-violent.
Reza Aslan has a fantastic book about Jesus as a historical figure. He's not claiming to know one way or the other about the divinity of Jesus or the miracles - just commenting on his role as a person who did exist and how he might have affected the world he lived in.
Really recommend it.
How exactly is he a terrorist? The guy came and said 'love your enemies', healed a bunch of people, fed people advocated for human rights, suggested the rich take care of the poor and then got strung up and executed on false charges in the most graphic and painful way possible.
Exactly how does that define him as a terrorist? Serious question.
I will look for it
My point was to demonstrate that eyewitness testimony is inferior to modern scientific evidence.
You are right that I do have a problem with religion and it is a significant problem as it is and has been an unnecessary and detrimental influence on humanity.
On your point about a perceived intellectual superiority, again I was probably somewhat excessive in the final paragraph but I don't think it is reflected in the remainder of the post. Both "something can't come from nothing" and "everything's complex therefore god" create scenarios where there would have to be endless sequences of gods in order for the argument to remain intellectually consistent. Pointing that out is not a sense of perceived intellectual superiority but is mere logic.
I was referring to terrorist in the sense that he was prosecuted as an enemy of the state, I wasn't personally casting a moral judgment on him as I don't have major issues philosophically with Jesus, beyond a few things like his endorsement of slavery which is probably to be expected of a man of his time which serves to only demonstrate that he was a man and not some kind of perfect deity.
How exactly is he a terrorist? The guy came and said 'love your enemies', healed a bunch of people, fed people advocated for human rights, suggested the rich take care of the poor and then got strung up and executed on false charges in the most graphic and painful way possible.
Exactly how does that define him as a terrorist? Serious question.
I was in agreement until the bit about Mary's hymen integrity. I mean, at the time, Jesus could be considered a terrorist by the Romans even though he was largely non-violent.
Reza Aslan has a fantastic book about Jesus as a historical figure. He's not claiming to know one way or the other about the divinity of Jesus or the miracles - just commenting on his role as a person who did exist and how he might have affected the world he lived in.
Really recommend it.