Synthetic turf

[dogslife]

I am worried that Matai could get injured playing on synthetic turf.

Don't touch my f**kin neck grass!

 

[Desert Qlder]

More than anything the tone of the article seemed to suggest how little the Council seem to value the Manly Football Club.

Perhaps they are looking at methods to drive them out of Brookvale. From an outsider looking in of course.

 

[Quidgybo]

If Warringah council want to pay for it why should they have to wait until larger stadia get the same changes?

Who said they should?

Leigh.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Roll out the strathayr so Kingston Town can win a 4 Cox Plate at Brookvale Oval

 

[supercharger]

There are still some complaints but that game has proven to be a one-off.

Basically, the game was played at -8 or something and the little rubber balls froze meaning that it caused more scrapes than usual. However, games played the day after showed that there were worse injuries on frozen grass pitches!

played on both grass and artificial turf in high school and always found the artificial turf worse in temperatures below -10,and over 35 degrees where baseball cleats would melt on hot days,other than that artificial turf is fine.

 

[firechild]

played on both grass and artificial turf in high school and always found the artificial turf worse in temperatures below -10,and over 35 degrees where baseball cleats would melt on hot days,other than that artificial turf is fine.

Add to that synthetic grass has come a long way in recent years.

 

[Loudstrat]

F*cking Manly are soft. Put a cricket pitch in the middle like the old NSO days!

Watching the Sexy Lage youtube last night - the girls played on synthetic grass with kneepads. But if it can be done - it has to be an innovation that will come eventually.

 

[firechild]

Who said they should?

Leigh.

You insinuated as much when you suggested that larger stadia should be a priority - "The suburban grounds should be the last places that need to move away from grass."

 

[seanoff]

The Council have been listening to the salesmen for synthetic turf. need to do more research boys and girls.

it's expensive to install, maintain and dispose of after 10 years and is unusable on warm to hot days.

In a recent presentation by the Michigan State University, Certified Sports Turf Manager, she cited that the typical annual maintenance costs of her artificial turf fields ranged from $13,720-$39,220, while the typical annual maintenance costs of her natural turf fields had a similar range of $8,133-$48,960 (1).

When artificial turf (in-fill systems) needs renovating every 8-10 years, there is a hidden cost of disposal. Because the field is filled and top-dressed with a crumb rubber material (typically made from ground automobile tires), the material may require special disposal. Disposal costs are estimated at $130,000 plus transportation and landfill charges (3).

Artificial fields cannot be played on all the time due to temperature build-up on warm-sunny days. Artificial field surface temperatures have been documented as high as 199°F on a sunny day with an air temperature of 98°F (7). Researchers at Brigham Young University reported that the surface temperature of a synthetic football field on campus averaged 117°F, with a daily high of 157°F (8). On an adjacent natural grass field the surface temperature averaged 78°F, with a daily high of 89°F. Researchers at Penn State University studied the effect of using irrigation to reduce surface temperatures of synthetic fields and discovered that temperature could be decreased with irrigation, but the effects were short-lived (20 minutes) (9). Because of these high temperatures, an artificial field will remain largely unusable during warm days.

there are some pictures on the site comparing temps of various surfaces on a 34C day.

sand was at 55.5C
ashphalt at 57.7C
artificial turf at 74C


much more in the article with actual costs over a 16 year period. ie install, replace, maintain etc
http://turf.uark.edu/turfhelp/archives/021109.html

"Then there's the problem of cleaning the stuff. Blood, sweat and spit are easily absorbed by natural soil, but on artificial turf they've got to be swabbed down with disinfectants and detergents, then mopped up."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329065,00.html#ixzz20Hk1sk4i


so, wonder if any of this has come up at the council and yeah playing on that early in the year would be a lot of fun for NRL players and the field would probably be unusable for others as well on a hot day.

 

[supercharger]

Is that why NFL players wear long pants? Most have short sleeves though.

No.

 

[Quidgybo]

You insinuated as much when you suggested that larger stadia should be a priority - "The suburban grounds should be the last places that need to move away from grass."

Keyword highlighted. I said nothing about whether they actually should or shouldn't move, or whether they should be prevented from moving before other grounds. Just making the point that the lower trafficked grounds are less likely to experience the chronic problems that would drive a move to artificial turf.

Leigh

 

[supercharger]

The Council have been listening to the salesmen for synthetic turf. need to do more research boys and girls.

it's expensive to install, maintain and dispose of after 10 years and is unusable on warm to hot days.

In a recent presentation by the Michigan State University, Certified Sports Turf Manager, she cited that the typical annual maintenance costs of her artificial turf fields ranged from $13,720-$39,220, while the typical annual maintenance costs of her natural turf fields had a similar range of $8,133-$48,960 (1).

When artificial turf (in-fill systems) needs renovating every 8-10 years, there is a hidden cost of disposal. Because the field is filled and top-dressed with a crumb rubber material (typically made from ground automobile tires), the material may require special disposal. Disposal costs are estimated at $130,000 plus transportation and landfill charges (3).

Artificial fields cannot be played on all the time due to temperature build-up on warm-sunny days. Artificial field surface temperatures have been documented as high as 199°F on a sunny day with an air temperature of 98°F (7). Researchers at Brigham Young University reported that the surface temperature of a synthetic football field on campus averaged 117°F, with a daily high of 157°F (8). On an adjacent natural grass field the surface temperature averaged 78°F, with a daily high of 89°F. Researchers at Penn State University studied the effect of using irrigation to reduce surface temperatures of synthetic fields and discovered that temperature could be decreased with irrigation, but the effects were short-lived (20 minutes) (9). Because of these high temperatures, an artificial field will remain largely unusable during warm days.

there are some pictures on the site comparing temps of various surfaces on a 34C day.

sand was at 55.5C
ashphalt at 57.7C
artificial turf at 74C


much more in the article with actual costs over a 16 year period. ie install, replace, maintain etc
http://turf.uark.edu/turfhelp/archives/021109.html

"Then there's the problem of cleaning the stuff. Blood, sweat and spit are easily absorbed by natural soil, but on artificial turf they've got to be swabbed down with disinfectants and detergents, then mopped up."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329065,00.html#ixzz20Hk1sk4i


so, wonder if any of this has come up at the council and yeah playing on that early in the year would be a lot of fun for NRL players and the field would probably be unusable for others as well on a hot day.

Si terrible on hot days melted the plastic cleats

 

[DC_fan]

I wonder what colour it would be?

 

[Perth Red]

Since when has 15 hours a week been even close to just 1 game?

The point you are missing is that better drainage and better groundskeeping will increase costs. Putting in a synthetic field will drastically reduce costs.

Manly council are paying $150k a year for a pitch looking after that gets used 15hrs a week? Fricking hell have they got any council jobs going, verge cutters must be on a mint!

 

[Perth Red]

No.

Actually partly yes. I played AF in the UK league and we had long sleeve undergarments for the games at Manchester and London that were on artificial turf. Without them you got some very nasty skin burns when flying along the ground in a tackle. As said the pitches do get very hot, remember playing the Manchester Spartans on one and it was boiling (and this is in England!), took off my long sleeved tshirt and got a ridiculous burn down my forearm that took most of the top layers of skin and flesh off!

That was a long time ago though and I assume the technology and materials has improved since then. No way they could have full artificial turf so again presuming they are lookign at a Widnes version of a mixed pitch.

Could open up new indoor stadium options if worked though!

 

[supercharger]

Actually partly yes. I played AF in the UK league and we had long sleeve undergarments for the games at Manchester and London that were on artificial turf. Without them you got some very nasty skin burns when flying along the ground in a tackle. As said the pitches do get very hot, remember playing the Manchester Spartans on one and it was boiling (and this is in England!), took off my long sleeved tshirt and got a ridiculous burn down my forearm that took most of the top layers of skin and flesh off!

That was a long time ago though and I assume the technology and materials has improved since then. No way they could have full artificial turf so again presuming they are lookign at a Widnes version of a mixed pitch.

Could open up new indoor stadium options if worked though!

Artificial turf was first used in football in the late 60's though
and as you can see from this picture of the Morgan Athletic Club-circa 1900,the uniforms date back a lot further
so artificial turf has had no impact on uni's.

 

[WireMan]

"In a revolutionary move, Brookvale Oval could become the first top flight rugby league ground in the world to be laid with synthetic turf."

:lol:

A well researched article.


The pitch at Widnes was given abuse after the first game in silly conditions, but the following night on grass it was a lot worse. Bad conditions are bad no matter where you play the game.

The pitch can be used more by Manly junior sides, football teams and local Union sides all week. This would make the council more money that could be used to upgrade the stadium.


Forget the sand covered plastic pitches of yesteryear. Like everything else the technology has moved on.

 

[Pig Mouth]

What happens if the players bleed all over the turf constantly?

 

[thorson1987]

I wonder what colour it would be?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I'm told artificial turf is a lot better for those with bulging discs in their necks.