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Meth

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What to do, what to do...

I'd go-

1- Tuivasa-Sheck
2- Fusitua
3- Ayshford
4- Kata
5- Maumalo
6- Hingano
7- Johnson
8- Vete
9- Luke
10- Lillyman
11- Thompson
12- Hoffman
13- Mannering

Res- Lisone, Afoa, Sipley, Tevaga

Gubb, Lolohea and Clark to ISP
 

Iron Lion

Juniors
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What to do, what to do...

I'd go-

1- Tuivasa-Sheck
2- Fusitua
3- Ayshford
4- Kata
5- Maumalo
6- Hingano
7- Johnson
8- Vete
9- Luke
10- Lillyman
11- Thompson
12- Hoffman
13- Mannering

Res- Lisone, Afoa, Sipley, Tevaga

Gubb, Lolohea and Clark to ISP

Here is the truth,
  • your starting back row is shit and one dimensional
  • your props are shit. Vete has lost his upside and Lillyman is an absolute plonk.
  • your hooker is on paid holiday and left any form he had in Australia with Souths.
  • Your Halfback is not a halfback but a fullback pretending to be a half. He runs the warriors likt the captain of the titanic.
  • your no6 is now getting lost game by game and losing his confidence
  • Your centres Average to bad. Average in Kata and bad in Ashyford who is no better than reserve grade level
  • Wingers - Good to bad. Fusitua Good, Maumalo bad.
  • Fullback is class
Based on that its fair to say this is close to a wooden spoon team. HUGE CLEAN OUT REQUIRED

I wouldnt expect more than 5-7 wins this season,

If you want to improve the Warriors you need to say goodbye to players you love like Mannering, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson, Johnson, Luke. These guys are not up to it. 5 years of utter failures.
 

Meth

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Staff member
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35,737
Here is the truth,
  • your starting back row is shit and one dimensional
  • your props are shit. Vete has lost his upside and Lillyman is an absolute plonk.
  • your hooker is on paid holiday and left any form he had in Australia with Souths.
  • Your Halfback is not a halfback but a fullback pretending to be a half. He runs the warriors likt the captain of the titanic.
  • your no6 is now getting lost game by game and losing his confidence
  • Your centres Average to bad. Average in Kata and bad in Ashyford who is no better than reserve grade level
  • Wingers - Good to bad. Fusitua Good, Maumalo bad.
  • Fullback is class
Based on that its fair to say this is close to a wooden spoon team. HUGE CLEAN OUT REQUIRED

I wouldnt expect more than 5-7 wins this season,

If you want to improve the Warriors you need to say goodbye to players you love like Mannering, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson, Johnson, Luke. These guys are not up to it. 5 years of utter failures.

I stopped reading at "Iron Lion"
 
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Here is the truth,
  • your starting back row is shit and one dimensional
  • your props are shit. Vete has lost his upside and Lillyman is an absolute plonk.
  • your hooker is on paid holiday and left any form he had in Australia with Souths.
  • Your Halfback is not a halfback but a fullback pretending to be a half. He runs the warriors likt the captain of the titanic.
  • your no6 is now getting lost game by game and losing his confidence
  • Your centres Average to bad. Average in Kata and bad in Ashyford who is no better than reserve grade level
  • Wingers - Good to bad. Fusitua Good, Maumalo bad.
  • Fullback is class
Based on that its fair to say this is close to a wooden spoon team. HUGE CLEAN OUT REQUIRED

I wouldnt expect more than 5-7 wins this season,

If you want to improve the Warriors you need to say goodbye to players you love like Mannering, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson, Johnson, Luke. These guys are not up to it. 5 years of utter failures.

So your team from our current squad to win more than 5-7 games?
 

Rich102

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Here is the truth,
  • your starting back row is shit and one dimensional
  • your props are shit. Vete has lost his upside and Lillyman is an absolute plonk.
  • your hooker is on paid holiday and left any form he had in Australia with Souths.
  • Your Halfback is not a halfback but a fullback pretending to be a half. He runs the warriors likt the captain of the titanic.
  • your no6 is now getting lost game by game and losing his confidence
  • Your centres Average to bad. Average in Kata and bad in Ashyford who is no better than reserve grade level
  • Wingers - Good to bad. Fusitua Good, Maumalo bad.
  • Fullback is class
Based on that its fair to say this is close to a wooden spoon team. HUGE CLEAN OUT REQUIRED

I wouldnt expect more than 5-7 wins this season,

If you want to improve the Warriors you need to say goodbye to players you love like Mannering, Hoffman, Lillyman, Thompson, Johnson, Luke. These guys are not up to it. 5 years of utter failures.

FYI Ayshford hasn't played this year. The centers have been Kata and Fusitua.
 

Rich102

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It is time to panic Warriors fans.

You're in for another season of bitter disappointment. This Warriors side has loser DNA and it is hard to see how they can possibly turn it around so inept was their performance against the Bulldogs - a side in for a long year themselves.

Three games in and there are no signs this Warriors side will be any better this season than the previous five that bombed badly. In a hard salary-capped league the teams that figure out quickly that they don't have it and immediately start building for the future will improve quickest. This week, albeit with only three games as a sample size, the Warriors need to seriously and honestly look at whether they can make the playoffs and then compete well once they get there. If they don't think that is realistic they need to make immediate change.

The red zone at both ends of the field was about as bad as it gets last night. The Warriors had a ridiculous amount of ball in the first half hour against the Bulldogs. Des Hasler's side kept turning the ball over cheaply and then gave away umpteen piggy-back penalties to allow the Warriors out of their own end.

You simply don't get that sort of weight of possession very often in the NRL.

Despite all of that being handed to them on a platter they couldn't come up with anything on attack that resembled first grade quality. Barring a bland run-around play with the first receiver the Warriors didn't seem to have any kind of play book. The theory simply seemed to be throw it at Shaun Johnson and see if he could create something. Problem is he didn't have players around him giving him any options.

Johnson's play is far too laterally. He surely ran more metres sideways than forwards last night. Eventually his class shone through and he created a try for himself but the Warriors aren't going to win much on the back of that philosophy this season.

Where are the fast play-the-balls? Where is the creativity out of dummy half? Where are the dummy runners and hole runners to give the play-makers some options? Nowhere to be seen based on the first three weeks. This forward pack is still weak compared to the other 15 clubs. It just doesn't bend the line and therefore doesn't get quick ball. Kieran Foran will not fix that no matter how well he plays.

At the other end of the field the Warriors looked disorganized and lacked desperation when defending their own line. Make no mistake - the Bulldogs are a poor attacking team but they badly exposed the Warriors almost every time they went into the red zone.

It seems inexplicable that this Warriors side can show such a lack of heart and effort given what they have been through the past few seasons. It might be time Jim Doyle and Stephen Kearney made some big and tough calls.

They could start with moving on from fan favourite and club legend Manu Vatuvei. He is never going to get back to his previous best. Injuries have caught up with him and his career-long short-comings now outweigh the ball-carrying and try-scoring feats he once starred with. The decision to re-sign him to a long-term contract was poor and it is costing them badly.

Likewise it is clear that veteran forwards Ryan Hoffman and Jacob Lillyman don't provide what this team needs and they need to be moved on. The salary cap prevents the club from signing replacements for this season but playing younger players like Bunty Afoa and Isaiah Papali'I will bode well for future seasons.

It is also time to give up on the over-hyped, over-rated and everywhere man Tui Lolohea. Future star he isn't. If he wants a release - give it to him. The guy has no clue when the pressure goes on. He is too much of a project to invest in and they'd be better off letting him clean up the mess in his game at a club that isn't in rebuild mode. His jumping up and down on the spot gives all the impression of a deer in the headlights not knowing where to run.

Sam Lisone is almost a mini-version of the Warriors problems. He shows a lot of promise but despite now being in season three of his first grade career he continues to make rookie mistakes that undo a lot of the good work he does. He has genuinely turned the momentum in games already this season but every game there will be the token unforced error followed up with an unnecessary penalty - the ones that frustrate the coach.

Issac Luke needs a rocket and Johnson needs to toughen up. If they don't like that message - dump them to reserve grade. The club is paying them too much not to expect more from them.

The Warriors have a reasonable amount of cap space available to them for 2018. To wisely spend that they need to figure out what they realistically have this year. Waiting until round 8-10 will be too late. They need to get in and get the cream of the crop before rival clubs start picking away at the options.

They have decisions to make and, unlike their onfield performance, it is time to be ruthless.

- NZ Herald
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11820943
 

jaseg

Juniors
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RTS comes back in, Ayshford needs to come in too if fit (he didn't play NSW cup?)... centre with Fus on the wing, or even wing himself (as someone suggested here... somewhere) if you're still sold on Fus @ centre now with the view to long term. Either Manu or Ken as the other wing depending on Manu's fitness (Ken still annoying the crap out of me - how didn't he score! - but enough changes in the backline for one week, and at least he wasn't awful in other parts of the game - but CNZ isn't far away from that spot surely). Halves the same unless Foran is fit.

Forwards.... Sipley please. Gavet or Sao also... I'm not a fan of either really, just need someone who can break a tackle or make an offload in the middle. Also give Vete more of a license to offload.
 

Leber

Bench
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I'd go...

1 CNK
2 Fusitua
3 Allwood (Is ayshford injured)?
4 Kata
5 Manu/Lolo/Maumalo (All equally shit)
6 Hingano
7 Johnson
8 Lillyman
9 Tevaga
10 Sipley
11 Afoa
12 Hoff
13 Mannering

14 Luke (Start from bench. Needs to earn his spot).
15 Thompson
16 Vete
17 Lisone/Gubb.

I cant see us winning many games until roger, muts, and Foran are back.
 

Iron Lion

Juniors
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I will give you a strong tip

Your not going to win many NRL games at all, if your back row consists of Afoa, Mannering, Hoffman and Thompson. That's pretty much guaranteed to lose every week or and at best struggle to totally grind out any sought of win.

When oh when oh when oh when are the idiots at the Warriors going to realize after 5 years that they just cant play these guys as a combination at NRL level? I dont care if they are individually NRL capable players because as a unit they completely suck and its not working.

Kearney aint changing sh@t

F@cu its depressing.
 

Iron Lion

Juniors
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1,216
So your team from our current squad to win more than 5-7 games?

They just dont have the players to put a squad together to win, but if I was coach with the current line up, it would look like this to compete

1.RTS
2.LOLOHEA
3.FUSITUA
4.JOHNSON
5.KATA
6.FORAN/HINGANO
7.LINO
8.LISONE
9.BELL
10.VATUVEI
11.MATULINO
12.MANNERING
13.T.SIPLEY

14.CLARKE
15.AFOA (PROP)
16.P.SIPLEY
17. GAVET/THOMPSON/SAO/HOFFMAN all covering 2nd row but honestly dont want any of them. Thompson would be the pick probably but want none of these guys playing more than 20 - 25mins max
 

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