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[Manu Vatuvei]

I've drawn this (slightly odd) comparison before but I find it a bit funny how J. Ford gets nothing but praise (and literally leads the Dally Ms) for relentless fitness and work rate while CNK can run for 9,000 metres in a game and it's still not good enough.

They play different roles obviously but I think the comparison still works because Ford, like CNK, lacks athleticism and explosiveness even when compared to his contemporaries in the same position. We accept that because of his fitness and workrate.

Moral of the story being I think it's consistent with Webster's philosophy to stay loyal to these types of players.

 

[JJ]

I've drawn this (slightly odd) comparison before but I find it a bit funny how J. Ford gets nothing but praise (and literally leads the Dally Ms) for relentless fitness and work rate while CNK can run for 9,000 metres in a game and it's still not good enough.

They play different roles obviously but I think the comparison still works because Ford, like CNK, lacks athleticism and explosiveness even when compared to his contemporaries in the same position. We accept that because of his fitness and workrate.

Moral of the story being I think it's consistent with Webster's philosophy to stay loyal to these types of players.

hmmm... pop CNK in the pack and I'd be loving his effort... love him at fullback too, but that position requires more than what he does these days... He's Garry Jack in a Billy Slater/Tom T, Walsh, Edmonds, Ponga etc era... he's very good, but at best replacement level rather than a plus... most teams have someone who offers more in the 1 jersey (and their salaries reflect that), and imo we have two that do too... but I like CHT I love having those guys - I'd have given him the whole preseason at centre, and CHT at 14... but also, I have faith in Webster, like Clearly I am not really sure why he works, but he does, and the squad as a whole is looking good

 

[Izz]

For your viewing/listening pleasure: an intrlerview with the one and only Jacko Ford:



He says something about Webby during the recruitment process that I found really interesting. It was something like: 'He knew things about my game that I didn't even know.' The implication was that Webby spotted potential strengths, etc, that previous coaches hadn't even touched on. Horo and Fletch kinda made a joke of it, but it firmed my belief that Webby is a rare kind of coach in today's game: a development coach and a player's coach who is also effective as a head coach

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

For your viewing/listening pleasure: an intrlerview with the one and only Jacko Ford:



He says something about Webby during the recruitment process that I found really interesting. It was something like: 'He knew things about my game that I didn't even know.' The implication was that Webby spotted potential strengths, etc, that previous coaches hadn't even touched on. Horo and Fletch kinda made a joke of it, but it firmed my belief that Webby is a rare kind of coach in today's game: a development coach and a player's coach who is also effective as a head coach

Thanks for sharing this, thought it was interesting.

The part where he talks about Webster knowing stuff about his game he didnt know himself, he also says it was stuff he wasn't told by anyone at the Dragons doesnt he.

Left arm carry, specific things to work on... I guess Webster knowing that level of detail is just part of doing due diligence on a player he was interested in, but also a bit of an insight on why the Dragons didn't get the best out of Ford.

 

[Izz]

The part where he talks about Webster knowing stuff about his game he didnt know himself, he also says it was stuff he wasn't told by anyone at the Dragons doesnt he.

Left arm carry, specific things to work on... I guess Webster knowing that level of detail is just part of doing due diligence on a player he was interested in, but also a bit of an insight on why the Dragons didn't get the best out of Ford

He was at the Drags during the Paul McGregor and Anthony Griffin eras, which would probably explain that lol

 

[Blair]

He was at the Drags during the Paul McGregor and Anthony Griffin eras, which would probably explain that lol.

We took a while to bear fruit with Ford though.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I've drawn this (slightly odd) comparison before but I find it a bit funny how J. Ford gets nothing but praise (and literally leads the Dally Ms) for relentless fitness and work rate while CNK can run for 9,000 metres in a game and it's still not good enough.

They play different roles obviously but I think the comparison still works because Ford, like CNK, lacks athleticism and explosiveness even when compared to his contemporaries in the same position. We accept that because of his fitness and workrate.

Moral of the story being I think it's consistent with Webster's philosophy to stay loyal to these types of players.

Yeah I can see the difference - forwards are mostly rated on metre eating, work rate etc. Fullbacks in the modern era, we want them to be a contributing part of the spine and offer attacking ability. Ford isn't as far off the props who aren't god tier (Haas, AFB and Tino when he cares) as CNK is off the top fullbacks. I can't think of a metre-eating effort FB in the rest of the comp who has CNK's limited ball playing and attacking prowess.

But you're 100% right, Webby stays loyal to these consistent sort of players. And that's a wise play, lord knows we've had the flashy ones in the past who might pump out half, near a whole good season before spending the next three being shit then agitating for a release somewhere else.

 

[hitro]

Although CNK seems like a great guy, a loyal Warrior, brave, fit and a die for the cause work horse, is he in the top 8 fullbacks in the NRL? If no where is he in that list? Are other teams worried about what he's going to do? Off the top of my head I would list above him in the danger to other teams dept Walsh Edwards Ponga Mitchell Tedesco Kini Papenhausen Turbo. Well that's 8 for starters

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

Weekes, Hammer, Drinkwater, Iongi too… all more threatening with the ball.

And statistically, Connor Tracey shaded CNK last year as well. Actually ran for more metres, which is obviously CNK’s strength, but also topped him in a few a number of other key attacking metrics - tackle breaks, like break assists and try assists.

Unfortunately the gap between CNK and most other fb’s the comp - in terms of attacking threat - is sizeable.

 

[nswarrior]

Looks like Luke got through training and is all set to play

NRL Team Update: Extended bench reduced by two

Alofi’ana Khan-Pereira and Eddie Ieremia-Toeava omitted for Warriors' clash against Tigers.

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[Penrose Warrior]

Although CNK seems like a great guy, a loyal Warrior, brave, fit and a die for the cause work horse, is he in the top 8 fullbacks in the NRL? If no where is he in that list? Are other teams worried about what he's going to do? Off the top of my head I would list above him in the danger to other teams dept Walsh Edwards Ponga Mitchell Tedesco Kini Papenhausen Turbo. Well that's 8 for starters

I'd say he's pretty certainly 17th, to be honest. And actually, that's not necessarily an insult, because 16th might be Iongi from the Eels who is electric, or Gutho from the Drags who is one of the smartest footballers in the comp. Fullback is where everyone wants to play, it pays well, so the quality is excellent

 

[ozenzud]

Although CNK seems like a great guy, a loyal Warrior, brave, fit and a die for the cause work horse, is he in the top 8 fullbacks in the NRL? If no where is he in that list? Are other teams worried about what he's going to do? Off the top of my head I would list above him in the danger to other teams dept Walsh Edwards Ponga Mitchell Tedesco Kini Papenhausen Turbo. Well that's 8 for starters

I actually don't think that this is the way you think about it. Webby constantly bangs on about systems and processes. It sounds like typically sports jargon that often annoys me. Particularly 'the group'...but back on track, with Webby, I think it is actually the way he sees it. He wants a player to play their part in the system. Last year the system, couldn't score tries. You can't say this year, so far, thats not a problem. CNK has a role in the system. Its more about relentless pressure and yardage, defence through line speed and aggression in the tackles. Its not about twinkle toed backs in a position that create half chances. Its about the whole system. If you think about team selection on that basis, you can understand why Webby choses CNK over TT. But jeepers, TT doesn't do much wrong

 

[Meth]

He says something about Webby during the recruitment process that I found really interesting. It was something like: 'He knew things about my game that I didn't even know.'

I have never found anything easier to believe in my life

 

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