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That's the season

Nuffy

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I just can't believe that they could offer up such rubbish at home in a must win game.

I also can't believe how regularly we run teams into form or snap losing streaks for clubs.

All the alarm bells should have been ringing and the players offer up such sh*t.
 

perverse

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we still don't need bailey. don't get me wrong, i think he will go great guns at manly, but we don't need him. we have back row talent to burn - and he's not getting a start over mullen at 5/8th - and that's where he MUST stay. i repeat - mullen MUST STAY at 5/8th. he could be anything and achieve anything in our game playing from 5/8th. he will never amount to anything more than a good first grader at halfback.
 

Bicey_18

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Just when you thought we were getting better... we dish that up.

You can imagine the headlines tomorrow... "Smith under pressure"

Just shattered... cant see us winning many games for the rest of the season tbh
 

Apey

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Our defence wasn't perfect tonight, but our attack is becoming a major concern. We aren't gaining metres like we did at the beginning of the season and we aren't putting teams away when we have the opportunity.

The amount of stupid errors are not helping either. Another thing that is ****ing us over is us not being able to even bloody buy a penalty!
 

Frederick

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We need Gidley back desperately. He alone contributes over 200 metres per game, and adds a whole nother dimension in attack
 

perverse

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the errors (and penalties) are the root of the problem. they **** our rhythm and everything else turns to **** from there. they are the only constant i can think of between all of our losses (and even our wins) this year. if lulia and co can't catch a ball - they shouldn't be playing football.
 

Serc

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Thanks for saying that Ronnie...I haven't have the balls to have a whinge about this penalty garbage tonight, sure we were crap but I would love to see us get a fair go in the penalty department at some point...
 

Knight87

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Well, if the Knights keep losing, it will be deja vu of 2007 all over again. They just cannot, CANNOT, afford to let crowd figures slip down to the 15,000 and sub-15,000 range, as that will hurt them very badly, financially (as was shown last year, recording a $1.2 million loss from the $800,000 profit the previous year - a $2 million turnaround!). Especially during this time, when theres been all this talk about Sydney clubs struggling to survive. 15,489 is very dissapointing, not to say the least, and of those that were there, the crowd seemed extremely unvocal until the last 10 mins.

Too bad we weren't playing the Dogs this week. With all the players they've got missing, they were mauled 46-0 by the Storm. If a lot of those players return for next weeks game, look out! We've got one hell of a tough match on our hands.

I'm not prepared to write off our season, JUST, YET! The next two games away from home (we've only won one game away this year, and that was at Gosford, which is virtually another home game for the Knights) will be very tough vs Bulldogs and Cowboys. IMO, these next two games will decide our season. We need to hopefully win both of those games, so we're back at 6-6 (from our current 4-6), or, AT LEAST, ONE of them. If we lose these next two to go to a 4-8 record, you can virtually kiss our top 8 chances goodbye. If the Knights let it go to 4-8 at the halfway mark of the season, I can't see us being there in September.

If Gidley is available next week, we BADLY need him for the game vs Bulldogs (he's been lacking a lot of match fitness). We really need all of our key players out there now, irrespective of rep duties. The club that pays these huge contracts to players and gets nothing in return for having those players out for rep games needs to be first priority, especially when they're struggling or not in a good position (with us being 4-6 now, when we should be 5-5). The individual is NOT above the club, and should never be. For what glory is it to seek it all about accolades and records, when your club isn't going well? I have a very huge beef about this topic on rep games. Players like Buderus, who have been there done that, won S.O.O, captained S.O.O, played for Australia. In their final year, like what happened with Andrew Johns, Laurie Daley, Gorden tallis, Shane Webcke, Bob Lindner, and Brad Fittler (although he did make a brief comeback in 2004), you'dve thought that players who know its their last year would forget about all the limelight and fully 110% devout themselves to the club. NOO! Clearly not the case. All about pride and ego, when the club is the ones paying their salaries.

Good news is that we do have Hilder coming back next week, so he'll easily replace Buderus.

And again, I've said it before, but the Knights need to have another of those games, like we did vs Parramatta last year, where we get off to a good start, and go on with the job. So far, the only game this year where we've really shot out of the blocks was against the Gold Coast. It just sickens me to see the Knights getting off to a lethargic and unethusiastic first half, and letting the first try in. It almost feels like the Knights have to be in a losing situation, before they really knuckle down in the 2nd half to try and win the game.
 
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Whats Doing

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dureau has controlled every game he's played in at half for us this year. you're talking crap on the back of one bad performance.

oh and p.s - GIDLEY IS A **** ****ING HALF. HE'S CRAP. HE CAN'T KICK, HE HAS NO VISION AND HE CAN'T ORGANISE A TEAM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS TO BE PROVEN?

Controlled every game = you are kidding. which game has he contolled. He has no pace, doesn't know how to pass at the line, doesn't know know to get the fowards over the advantage line, doesn;t control the game at half. I suppose be at dummy half a lot shows he is a good half back.

Yes he can pass long but that doesn't put any pressure on the defensive line.

BTW - Gidley would have been the NSW half except for injury. I forgot you have more knowledge than the NSW selectors who have played for Australia.

Gidley is our best option - look at the Roosters game. This is how a half gets the forwards over the advantage line. Dureau doesn;t posses the skill to do it. At l;east the NSW selectors and Bellamy could see this.
 

Knight87

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and on another important note,

I know you guys have probably heard enough crap and whinging about refs this year, yet youll keep hearing it all year. The quality of reffing (across the NRL) is below average, and has been for quite a long time, yet nothing is being done about this. The majority of refs are simply not up to standard, but it doesn't help when you've gotta ref boss (Robert Finch), whos not only not reffed a game, but doesn't know anything about refereeing. That's just like saying that you can cook a better beef steak than Gordon Ramsay, when you've never cooked anything in your life. Of course clubs shouldn't be surprised to see Finch doing nothing about many clubs complaints about referees.
 

perverse

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Controlled every game = you are kidding. which game has he contolled. He has no pace, doesn't know how to pass at the line, doesn't know know to get the fowards over the advantage line, doesn;t control the game at half. I suppose be at dummy half a lot shows he is a good half back.
i'm kidding myself? you're kidding yourself! he steered the team around brilliantly in each game from halfback this year bar tonight. it's buderus' job to keep the forwards rolling over the advantage line - not dureaus. just like buderus did in origin 1 to perfection.

Yes he can pass long but that doesn't put any pressure on the defensive line.
scores tries though. i suppose you'd prefer gidleys signature cut-out-ball to bay 12?


BTW - Gidley would have been the NSW half except for injury. I forgot you have more knowledge than the NSW selectors who have played for Australia.
i'll thank you not to forget it in the future.

Gidley is our best option - look at the Roosters game. This is how a half gets the forwards over the advantage line. Dureau doesn;t posses the skill to do it. At l;east the NSW selectors and Bellamy could see this.
we won the roosters game through sheer enthusiasm, self-belief and a fair bit of luck. it had absolutely nothing to do with gidleys average-to-ok game at halfback. we had absolutely no kicking game in the roosters game whatsoever. and i mean zero kicking game - absolutely nothing. it still stuns me that we won that match. it had every trademark gidley kick all in the one match - "the **** chip", the classic "roll the ball over the dead ball line".. and we can't forget "the fullback choker" either. yep. that game had it all.
 

strewth_mate

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Yes he can pass long but that doesn't put any pressure on the defensive line.

Which is a key problem with our halves. They have so much skill but even at the start of the year, when they were moving the ball around all over the park, it still looked flat. You've got to pass it to the right people in the right position, not just shovel it out to marked players. It's like we're playing one-out stuff even when the ball goes through three sets of hands. Strange.

If they play smart, and the players around them give them something to work with, then they are quite capable of generating a lot of pressure and putting a lot of points on. But as it is, I can't remember us creating any overlaps from the work in the middle - and this is a reason why introducing someone like Uate will fail dismally. Our fringes are ineffective, not because they aren't capable, but mainly because their work isn't being done for them.
 

Apey

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Anyone who wants Gidley at half is a nutter, fullback is where he will and outta stay.
 

strewth_mate

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we won the roosters game through sheer enthusiasm, self-belief and a fair bit of luck. it had absolutely nothing to do with gidleys average-to-ok game at halfback.

Exactly. He played well and scurried around the field enthusiastically as he always does, but he didn't play a good halfback's game.
 

perverse

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Exactly. He played well and scurried around the field enthusiastically as he always does, but he didn't play a good halfback's game.
yes. he can do that from fullback. where he also gets to make 200 kick return metres. where he gets to inject himself into the backline wherever he pleases. you know.. the position he's actually EFFECTIVE in.
 

Hanscholo

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I have stated it a few times this year, our starts against lesser sides in the comp are indicative of a team that doesnt know how to dominate games. We were expected to come nearly last this year. We have always played our best football when we are expected to lose or we are losing. Its all mental and its something we need to develop a stronger mind set for. There is nothing harder than developing a winning culture that overrides self doubt or worry. The knights in the last two matches have been very very sloppy and unable seemingly to take the game by the throat and dominate it.

Strangely enough EAS seems to highten their issues significantly. It seems to me just watching them that the pressure of being in front of a very expectant crowd is combining with their own doubts and they just arent concentrating on the simple things that get football games won. It seems harder for us to win at home because we are expected to win at home, and we arent performing in games we should win.

I guess its a reflection of young players, none of which have been in a winning culture at Newcastle and are yet to understand how to go about rolling over sides. I dont believe there is anything harder for a coach to do than to transform the mentality of players into a dominating mind set. Its not hard to just charge onto the ball and tackle hard when your back is against the wall, but it seems to be much harder for them to pick apart a side from the start. They need to learn some patience with the ball, and how to build pressure with it and wear down their opponents. Its not going to happen overnight.

I maintain my early season prediction with these guys of 10th. I want to see that mental side turn around soon, EAS should be a key to that, not a hinderance.
 

perverse

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i agree with you han. they basically need to learn how to play football - both mentally and strategically.
 

Knight87

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I guess its a reflection of young players, none of which have been in a winning culture at Newcastle and are yet to understand how to go about rolling over sides.

Well, all our young players that played in that game vs Parramatta at Parramatta Stadium last year will know a thing or two about how to roll a side. That was the only game last year, where we played the full 80 mins, got off to a good start and 'CONVINCINGLY' went on with the job (winning 34-10). All of this with a MUCH INFERIOR SIDE TO THE ONE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS YEAR! The boys need to have a look at a replay of that tape again. If you have a look at that game, you'll find that one factor which singlehandedly won that game for us was doing the SIMPLE THINGS RIGHT. Yes, that's right! You heard me: It all comes back to the fundamentals. Things like holding the ball, completing sets of six, defending well, forcing the odd mistake every now and then. All of this leads to pressure for the opposition, which, in return, over extended periods of control, eventually leads to points and even more pressure. And the cycle continues.

So, forget about all the magnificent razzle dazzle, beautiful set plays etc. That all means nothing if the fundamentals are not being achieved. You can't jump straight to the top of the mountain. If you try to build a tower and there's a brick missing in the 5th layer, guess what? The whole tower is going to come tumbling down. The foundation stones have to be set, and in league, those foundation stones are the fundamentals.

The only other game that has come close to this magnificent performance was this year vs Gold Coast. I was extremely impressed with our first half, but dissapointed we didn't go on with the job and thoroughly DOMINATE the 2nd half against the top of the table side with 99% of their key players playing. But, nethertheless, that has been the only game this year where, like a 100m sprinter, we got out of the blocks early and put the pedal to the metal.
 
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