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The 2014/15 Off Season Thread

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hindy111

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i always thought your admiration of pou was heading to a new level

I was going too pay him:lol:

No when Pou is a knob I let everyone know. I reckon he is right a lot of the times thou. Especially when it comes too team selections and building a squad.
 

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But why do we even need a justification? Neither Mao nor Stalin needed a religious book to justify their atrocities.



But the Bible isn't just the teachings of Jesus. Until recently it was invariably packaged with the Old Testament, which was about the (very successful) survival and prosperity of an ethno religious community. There's plenty in there to justify exploiting 'them' for 'our' benefit. That was the mindset of the time (both the Bronze Age of the Old Testament and the Middle Ages of the Crusades), and in fact it is still the mindset throughout most of the world. There is 'us' and there is 'them', and if 'they' get in the way of 'our' prosperity (someone think of the children - 'our' children of course) 'they' very quickly cease to be human to us. Only fat, dumb and happy (and rich compared to the rest of the world, despite bleating about being part of the 99%) Westerners have the comfort and free time to care about people in other parts of the world.

Personally I think Jesus would be horrified to see Christians living according to the Old Testament. The Second Epistle of Peter says they are like a dog returning to its vomit. Then again, I wonder what Jesus would think of the New Testament.


Exactly. The Old Testament. And of course Jesus would be horrified. I'm glad we agree. Killing, in today's world, has nothing to do with the tenets and teachings of religion. Now if I can just get you to agree that there is no such thing as a 'middle forward', I think we can have a lovely relationship.
 

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I'm sure it provides justification for those acts. For starters they are allowed to marry children. I assume they're allowed to f**k their 'wives' no matter how young they are.


As I said before, humans can justify nearly anything. It's part of the human condition. Part of the ego. But show me where raping women and children is either condoned or encouraged by Islam. Not by the laws of Sharia, but by the teachings of Islam.
 

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Just wanted to get in early and wish everyone a happy new year. I hope 2015 brings you good health, peace, happiness and success. I'm heading out west to a mates place in Kellyville for a New Years eve party. Glad I'm not doing the city grind.

See you in 2015.

God bless!
 

Poupou Escobar

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Exactly. The Old Testament. And of course Jesus would be horrified. I'm glad we agree. Killing, in today's world, has nothing to do with the tenets and teachings of religion.

That might be true if the New Testament was the only religious text in use. But the world is a big place, and history won't go away.
 

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As I said before, humans can justify nearly anything. It's part of the human condition. Part of the ego. But show me where raping women and children is either condoned or encouraged by Islam. Not by the laws of Sharia, but by the teachings of Islam.

It must be condoned or the mujahideen wouldn't be doing it. The Yazidis, for example, seemed to be fair game because they received no specific protection (as people of the book) in the Quran. But even Christians and Jews are only protected when they toe the line. Same as any out group in any religious/moral code.
 

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It must be condoned or the mujahideen wouldn't be doing it. The Yazidis, for example, seemed to be fair game because they received no specific protection (as people of the book) in the Quran. But even Christians and Jews are only protected when they toe the line. Same as any out group in any religious/moral code.

It must be or they wouldn't be doing it? That's like saying paedophilia must be condoned because some Catholic priests do it. Can't you come up with something better than that?
 

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It must be or they wouldn't be doing it? That's like saying paedophilia must be condoned because some Catholic priests do it. Can't you come up with something better than that?

Have these paedophile priests united into a powerful political bloc? Are they giving their lives in religious fervor for their cause? Do they have the support of anyone at all?

The Islamic State is a coherent political force. They have seized territory from foreign governments. As far as they're concerned they have nothing to hide. In their eyes they are justified.
 

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Have these paedophile priests united into a powerful political bloc? Are they giving their lives in religious fervor for their cause? Do they have the support of anyone at all?

The Islamic State is a coherent political force. They have seized territory from foreign governments. As far as they're concerned they have nothing to hide. In their eyes they are justified.

Exactly. A political force.
 

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Yes. I think pure religion is anti-political. Human beings hijack religion and make it political.


Depends on the religion:?
Im not a religious man but I do read a lot of Buddha.Seems like a chilled out peacefull religion if that makes sense to me.


Has anyone wondered what the world would be like if there was only one religion and everyone followed and believed it?
 

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What do you mean by pure religion?

To me, 'pure religion' is a revering or worshipping of a higher power. Some people have called it an attempt at a connection between us humans and God. That idea sits pretty well with me. Now, I understand that when a large group of people unite in this attempt to connect with something greater, we get sets of procedures, protocols, hierarchies, etc coming into it. This is the nature of humans - to try to control everything in an attempt to defend the ego. (At it's purest, religion seeks to humble the ego.)
And then we get egos saying that 'my attempts to connect with God are better than yours' ( my religion is better than yours), so we get all sorts of fighting, etc. And later on we get non-believers pretending to be believers and hijacking religions for political gain or monetary gain or power. And we get others who are confused about the whole thing and believe that their religion needs to assert itself as the dominant one (or that all the other religions are pretences or even evil.)
So the essence of the original religion gets blurred, distorted, twisted, complicated. That is why religion gets a bad name. But it's all to do with grubby human ego - the very thing that the original religion seeks to address in the first place.
That's my take on religion.
 

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Well to me that is spirituality or mysticism or something. Religion is what happens when two or more humans get involved with it all.

The alternative is to go and live in the mountains I guess.
 
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