The 700 Level - Home of the Ginger Jesus.

[Valheru]

Not much to add from the actual game that hasn't been said here. The D was incredible and are looking every bit the unit that dominated int he SB last year. Carter and Davis are an incredible 1-2 punch in the middle and are wreaking havoc. That was a more impressive performance than last week against a high octane Detroit offence.

Offensively, it still looks boring an unimaginative. The O line not being healthy doesn't help but Patullo needs to find a way to produce better than that. I didn't think the performance against GB was that bad as GB have an elite D, Detroit do not have an elite D and we should be able to produce more. At least he is calling more options and designed runs for Jalen which surprise surprise work almost every time. I think you're right in that this team can win on talent alone, you just know that in crunch time, Jalen, Saquon, Smith, Goeddert and even AJ if he gets over his tantrum will produce something. AJ is officially on my watch list though, as Haffa said, he definitely dogged a couple of routes this week.

On the Detroit side, I'm a big fan of them and Campbell and if we don't win it all, I would like to see them do so. Having said that he needs to stop being so reckless on going for it on 4th down. Yesterday it wasn't working and it was a defensive tussle so not sure he needed to keep going for it. Then he doesn't go for it with 5 to go which I found odd.

Dallas next week and it's all about the offence. I don't care if the D has a bad day and Dak lights them up for 30+, in fact that might be preferable because their D can't stop a runny nose and if we can't manufacture against them and hang in a shoot out then we sure as shit aren't going to be able to do so against LAR, SEA, TB or even DET if we need to in the playoffs. I have a feeling we will lose this game but if we find some offence I can cop it.

1 Seed well within our control now, I reckon we could lose twice given we own the tiebreakers.

 

[nick87]

AJ has been dogging routes routinely all season
I never believed they'd trade him in season, the cap situation is too hard to navigate even if they wanted but if his attitude doesnt improve, an off season trade wouldnt stun me

Completely agree on Dallas next week, if the offence cant make hay against them next week, it's panic stations

 

[Pippen94]

Eagles make NFL unwatchable

 

[nick87]

 

[Valheru]

AJ has been dogging routes routinely all season
I never believed they'd trade him in season, the cap situation is too hard to navigate even if they wanted but if his attitude doesnt improve, an off season trade wouldnt stun me

Completely agree on Dallas next week, if the offence cant make hay against them next week, it's panic stations

Re: AJ he makes some reasonable points but why go public with it? You just won the SB and youre acting like a little baby, keep it in house.

AJ would do well to remember our best offensive performance this year was the one game he missed. It was only NYG he would say... but I remember what happened in the other game against NYG he did play in..

 

[nick87]

I mostly agree with what he’s saying
But I don’t think he’s going about it the right way

Publicly airing out business and then not putting in full effort in game is a bad duo
He’s not wrong about the offence not being where it needs to be but frankly he’s part of that problem too

I had hopes for Patullo, especially coming out of the giants game but it’s clear now to me this is just a bad hire that we’ll have to overcome

you can find the tape nerds on Philly twitter going through it but the offensive play design is really not good. Hurts is not playing nearly as badly as it seems, but this offence does nothing to create advantages in the passing or running game

Patullo is just not it. It’s not an over reaction to say if Fangio and the defence didn’t play so well the last two weeks and we lost both these games, that he’d be shit canned

He’s employed because it’s results over process. He can’t even get the plays in quickly which is why we play so slow and plodding too

just a bad hire, probably gonna cost us when it counts

 

[nick87]

That's a bad loss but one that is somewhat expected
Coming through to this point in the season being 8-3 is about where we should be

Too many penalties, and circumstantially they were very impactful, wiping out several big plays
Too many turn overs... not gonna win many games doing that

This could be a loss that starts a slide, because offensively this team is just not consistent or good enough. We're not going to repeat playing this way. Changes have to be made, either to the play caller or to the offensive design if they want this offence to be better.
If this loss is the inflection point that forces those changes, it's all still in front of them. But those changes simply had to be made, one way or the other

We aren't going to go far in the play offs if we need the defence to be other worldly every game and every game.

 

[Pippen94]

No points in second half.

 

[Valheru]

That's a bad loss but one that is somewhat expected
Coming through to this point in the season being 8-3 is about where we should be

Too many penalties, and circumstantially they were very impactful, wiping out several big plays
Too many turn overs... not gonna win many games doing that

This could be a loss that starts a slide, because offensively this team is just not consistent or good enough. We're not going to repeat playing this way. Changes have to be made, either to the play caller or to the offensive design if they want this offence to be better.
If this loss is the inflection point that forces those changes, it's all still in front of them. But those changes simply had to be made, one way or the other

We aren't going to go far in the play offs if we need the defence to be other worldly every game and every game.

Yes that is the reason we lost this game. Everyone can go on about 0 points in the 2nd half but there were 3-4 penalties that wiped chain moving plays that would very likely have lead to points. Those types of games happen to everyone once or twice a year so I'm not too worried that it will become a thing. Baun dropping that interception was the turning point as well. I'm not going to hate on the bloke as he has been immense but he catches that and it's game over.

I have an issue with some of the penalties we received on defence as well. Those two back to back DPI calls in the 3rd quarter... this first one Lamb caught but should have been OPI due to the blatant push off int he face. The 2nd one can literally be called on any play if they are going to be that pedantic.

Anyways, I don't think there is any use being a prisoner in the moment here. Before the stretch of GB, DET and DAL I would have taken 2-1 every day and twice on Sundays and that's exactly what we got. The media will now bang on about the offence and how the cowboys can roll home and win the division but the fact is 3 of our final 6 games are against a tanking WAS and the Raiders who stink so that should be 11 wins minimum and the cowboys aren't getting close to that. We should still win at least 1 of CHI, LAC and BUF as well for a 12-14 win season. That will be good enough for at least the 2 seed. LAR might be hard to catch as they are looking every bit the best team in the NFC right now.

I do wonder if AJ Brown gets it yet? He feasted on 7+ for 100+ and the team lost. I'm in no way blaming him for the loss but he might want to consider what feels better.... his stats or winning.

 

[nick87]

Baun dropping that interception was the turning point as well. I'm not going to hate on the bloke as he has been immense but he catches that and it's game over.

Just on this, it wasn't even just that! Baun drops an easy INT, which if he takes we probably win
But also on the final drive for the cowboys, we got the fumble! The defence forced a fumble and it just went out of bounds before we could recover.
So there was a fair bit of bad luck involved in blowing this game

So in that respect completely agree about going 2-1 over this period, and not being prisoner of the moment. Also i go into every season saying "split the dallas games" because that's ultimately how it usually goes. So this loss is not something im that concerned about, as you said, you get those games 1-2 a year where the whistle, bounce of the balls and circumstances just dont go your way... that was this

But ultimately i am now firmly on the side of the fence that says this offence is not good enough to repeat. It's talented enough to repeat, but unless something changes, playing the way they are now, with it's design and execution, it's not gonna be good enough to get through a tough NFC.
The offence has to find a way to be more consistent drive to drive the way it has under other OCs with this personnel, and i don't think this OC can do it.

 

[nick87]

Collapse looks firmly on, Nick Sirianni i dont think will survive another 2023
Gotta get Patullo the f**k out of there

 

[Pippen94]

Offense is appalling

 

[Valheru]

It's looking very 2023 at this stage although wahsington twice plus raiders will probably save us.

I think sirriani has to survive this TBH, he just won the SB so surely he is given the right to rectify with another OC?

On the game itself, fair play to the bears, they beat us down from start to finish in every aspect of the game. In commentary, they said the players execution and the fact the OL isnt healthy is also to blame and that may be true but Patullo has shown a complete lack of ability to adjust. He just does the same things all game every week. The run game just isnt there... it just isnt and he keeps going back to it. Can't completely abandon it of course but the way to open it up a bit more is passing or designed runs/options for Jalen and he doesn't do it enough. Also, he seems to lack the balls to go deep when nothing else is working and just see if the two elite receivers can make a play.

I will also have to lay some of the blame to Fangio for this week too. He didnt seem to want to adjust at all with the bears running the ball at will. His whole scheme is designed to stop the run without crowding the box and then force passes in to protection but the bears OL wasn't having any of that. After over 100 yards on the ground in the first quarter he had to adjust... sure crowding the box or run blitzing opens up play action or one on ones but deal with that when they occur, dont just let them gash you play after play.

I will be very interested to see how they come out against the Chargers.

 

[nick87]

Offence gets worse and worse every week
We've seen this personnel play high level offence, at the very least we've seen it play above average offence

Sirianni and Patullo dont have the answers to get the most out of one of the most talented offence in the NFL.
They probably still make the play offs though im not sold on that by any means, this team is very capable of losing this game (currently down 13-9 to the chargers) and another 2 games this year.

But irrespective, this is not a serious SB contender. They have to remove Patullo. It's the only trigger they've got the pull to try and fix it.

Edit: Almost as to illustrate how talented this team is, Barkley 52 yards td the play after i hit submit
These team is driven on talent, gets no offensive schematic advantage

 

[Pippen94]

Need a proper qb

 

[Pippen94]

5 turnovers. Three straight losses.

 

[nick87]

Need a proper qb

Qb has definitely proven he’s good enough to win a SB if the offensive structure and scheme maximises his strengths.

The goal when drafting a QB is to draft one who can do what Jalen Hurts did last year - be a Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP.
That’s no longer a subject for debate. It’s recorded, proven history.

Personnel available has proven to be capable of delivering an efficient and effective offence. What’s changed?

Coaching.

 

[Valheru]

Yeah Patullo needs to go now... like immediately.

It's now to the point where an offence that was SB champs 10 months ago has lost confidence. Jalen ain't the greatest ever by any stretch but what he is, is safe and clutch when he needs to be. He is feeling the pressure now and making poor decisions, one of them was inexplicable.

AJ Brown is well and truly on my shit list. Yes the offence sucks but he is moping around whilst the others are at least trying. Jalen laid 2 dimes for him, one would have been a big gain to the red zone and the other a TD and he clean dropped both. He also tipped one for an interception and yeah it was high but a WR1 on his pay packet should have caught it, especially one that runs their mouth.

The overwhelming positive is the D but they just have to do too much to win football games. Like they were close to perfect tonight and it still wasn't enough. The only TD was off the back of a fluke check down that went for 60 and then just FGs, a couple of which they were put in shit positions.

I think we will still win the division with games against LV and 2 x WAS. As much as we are struggling, we haven't been losing to bum sides and that's exactly what those 2 teams are. I have absolute faith the D will do enough to win those games. I doubt we beat the 6th seed in the play-offs though.

The clock management on our last drive of regulation was abysmal too. You either score a TD or give them the ball back with no time outs... take a knee if you have to.

Having said all that we are set up excellently to rebound next year if we can get someone who has half an idea about an offensive scheme.

 

[nick87]

Patullo is gonna get shit canned in the off season, maybe before, that much i think is a given. Id shit can him tomorrow and give the play calling to Scot Loeffler, he's got some experience calling plays. Cant let the ship go down without at least trying something else.

But in any event I am curious if Sirianni goes too in the off season. IMO he will if they miss the play offs from here, pending what happens with other coaches, there could be someone like Stefanski or KOC available, i think the Eagles would love to get one of those guys in to be the HC and offensive guy, and keep Vic around.
Or if Steichen gets out of Indy, that's the way to keep Sirianni and get him back as play caller. The offence and QB has never looked as good as when it was Steichen.

 

[Pippen94]

Qb has definitely proven he’s good enough to win a SB if the offensive structure and scheme maximises his strengths.

The goal when drafting a QB is to draft one who can do what Jalen Hurts did last year - be a Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP.
That’s no longer a subject for debate. It’s recorded, proven history.

Personnel available has proven to be capable of delivering an efficient and effective offence. What’s changed?

Coaching.

Can't read defences. Can't throw on time. Glorified running back. When tush push gets banned won't be starting in the league. Don't believe me what do you think AJ brown would say?!