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The Biggest Loser

roopy

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Saw an ad for it last night, and it looks like a very different format this year.
In previous years they have had a few nutrition messages built in, but this year it looks like each episode is going to be about highlighting a fitness or nutrition message, and the end result is to try to get some of the people to run a marathon.
In previous years i was always wondering when they were going to kill someone - might be this year if they are serious about training 150kg+ people to run a marathon in a few months.
 

TheParraboy

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I think what they are doing different this year is adding a couple of segments.
One is making your own food aka a healthy masterchef episodes. Another is where they have a doctor explain the good, the bad and the ugly of being huge and being heathy. Thats the way I read it. I think these two additions are long overdue for this type of show

However,

Personally I think they lose too much weight too quickly. Not sure about the figures, but a lot of ex-BL contestants gain the weight back or a big portion of it back, as when they are in the house its very structured, you have to do things, you have to exercise like a demon, you have to eat well etc...there is no option or ability to stray really, unlike the big bad world
 

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It's a reality tv show, not a healthy weight loss or exercise show.
 

Didgi

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It's a reality tv show, not a healthy weight loss or exercise show.

This.

Although maybe the introduction of new segments will help the contestants to keep the weight off after, it's still first and foremost about ratings.

At least the bitch they used to have as a host is gone.
 

Valderon

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In previous years i was always wondering when they were going to kill someone - might be this year if they are serious about training 150kg+ people to run a marathon in a few months.

The production of the Biggest Loser ensures they have plenty of professionals in a variety of fields. Naturally there are medical staff on hand (behind the cameras) at all times to ensure that any contestant is attended too safely

How is training a 150kg+ person to run a marathon dangerous either?. No one is expecting them to have the 'pace' of an athlete. They'll be completing marathons against eachother, no doubt at a much slower pace than 90% of the participants in fun-runs, or actual marathons.

Why are you so cynical and judgmental all the time?
 

Valderon

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This.

Although maybe the introduction of new segments will help the contestants to keep the weight off after, it's still first and foremost about ratings.

At least the bitch they used to have as a host is gone.

Haha. Too true.

I think the main message out of a show such as this, is to demonstrate and motivate viewers to take action on their own health issues; in that it's an achievable goal. The token segments (nutrition, cooking, etc) are there to obviously help home viewers better understand the meals they're making as well.

While The Biggest Loser is incredibly tacky, and often laughable to watch (with some of the drama scenes they try to promote); the concept of the show is still something I strongly agree with!
 

sportive cupid

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I disagree.
I feel that pitting people against each other in the area of weight lose is inappropriate. I believe it sends the message that weight lose is a competition -a game to be won. This is a very dangerous message to send anyone with a slightly obsessive personality.

The emphasis is very much on losing weight and calorie counting instead of healthy lifestyles blending in with everyday life.

The very existence of a prize at the end worries me greatly.What ever did become of that guy who won a few years ago who was skin and bones at the end?
 

Valderon

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I disagree.
I feel that pitting people against each other in the area of weight lose is inappropriate. I believe it sends the message that weight lose is a competition -a game to be won. This is a very dangerous message to send anyone with a slightly obsessive personality.

The emphasis is very much on losing weight and calorie counting instead of healthy lifestyles blending in with everyday life.

The very existence of a prize at the end worries me greatly.What ever did become of that guy who won a few years ago who was skin and bones at the end?

The emphasis is weight loss and calorie counting for some part of the show - however - these people are significantly obese. It's not surprising that their calories and exercise are so strongly controlled. Most of them are given the education and tools to assimilate back into society and survive. This is also why they have "home contestants" and "home competitions".

I don't believe competition is unhealthy or inappropriate. Individuals who are obese lack motivation; both intrinsically and extrinsically; therefore competition may provide both forms of motivational stimulus to prompt people into action. The focus of the show is not 'reducing weight for superficiality' ... it's about 'reducing weight for health'. The burden of obesity on the health system in Australia, and indeed most western civilisations is significant. A show such as this can only help in my view.

Granted, these are just our opinions, and you're of course welcome to yours!...
 

sportive cupid

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I have to wonder about what part the dragging of a bus plays in a healthy weight loss programme for a woman(or a man for that matter :lol:).

But that aspect aside, I would challenge the assumption that all obese people lack motivation. Even if they did-how would dangling an extrinsic motivator(ie money) act as a long term motivator for these people? Surely the show is setting they up for long term failure or yo-yo dieting in the future unless they work on individual intrinsic motivation.While those celebrity personal trainers might look like they can talk the talk -I don't think they are trained in accordance with the appropriate psychological board of accreditation. Such sudden weight loss/exercise routines would need to be accompanied by thorough personal assessment as to motivators and risks.Maybe the producers do this-but that guy a few years back really worried me.

Coming from a close association with the horrors of eating disorders shows such as the Biggest Loser really concern me.I feel they are ratings grabbing at the expense of real people-both those on the show and those watching .I feel the show gives a very misleading idea of the speed at which healthy weight loss can/should be acheived.Even if the say"oh this happened over a long period of time" we only see the weight falling off over a few weeks. It's misleading.
 

Chook Herron

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Shouldn't people be intelligent enough not to pin all their weightloss hopes and goals on a reality tv show?
 

Valderon

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I have to wonder about what part the dragging of a bus plays in a healthy weight loss programme for a woman(or a man for that matter :lol:).

But that aspect aside, I would challenge the assumption that all obese people lack motivation. Even if they did-how would dangling an extrinsic motivator(ie money) act as a long term motivator for these people? Surely the show is setting they up for long term failure or yo-yo dieting in the future unless they work on individual intrinsic motivation.While those celebrity personal trainers might look like they can talk the talk -I don't think they are trained in accordance with the appropriate psychological board of accreditation. Such sudden weight loss/exercise routines would need to be accompanied by thorough personal assessment as to motivators and risks.Maybe the producers do this-but that guy a few years back really worried me.

Coming from a close association with the horrors of eating disorders shows such as the Biggest Loser really concern me.I feel they are ratings grabbing at the expense of real people-both those on the show and those watching .I feel the show gives a very misleading idea of the speed at which healthy weight loss can/should be acheived.Even if the say"oh this happened over a long period of time" we only see the weight falling off over a few weeks. It's misleading.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think the program is the savior of our society, or the health problems within it. - I just think it's doing far more good than bad.

As for the psychological aspect; the show has qualified professionals behind the scenes to handle the psychological influences. Not to mention, these people on the show appear to have all of the intrinsic motivation they need (ie: "I want to be alive when my kids grow up", or, "I'm at risk of stroke or heart attack", or, "I'm at high risk of Type II Diabetes", and so on, so forth.

A show such as this is less about the actual contestants, and more about sending a clear message that; through simple steps such as diet and exercise, people can make significant changes. Granted, there's much less 'free' support in the real world, and far more distraction; the show is more motivation for those watching it, than those within it; though those within it receive great benefits (in the way of a significantly healthier body).

You also have to realise, that while the show is shown over a particular period; their actual training duration is far longer than the show leads you to believe. The show is certainly misleading is many factors; though I still stand by its intentions. Nothing is perfect; and it's certainly playing its role.

Having said that; I can't stand the over-dramatisations the program offers. The constant pauses; the clearly staged theatrics; the excessive whinging; and the grand-standing the personal trainers try and provide. The show definitely controls what it sends out to the public; and thus controls the behaviour of the people within it. As I said at the beginning of this particular post, I don't endorse all aspects of the program; I do however appreciate and support it's intention.
 

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This.

Although maybe the introduction of new segments will help the contestants to keep the weight off after, it's still first and foremost about ratings.

At least the bitch they used to have as a host is gone.

I dont think so

The contestants from the series gone by have been given nutritional information, tons of it. It just wasnt considered good tv to show what they have learned, only in snippets. Now they are adding more air time to it. The puplic will benefit most, hopefully
 

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I realise that the show is filmed over an extended period of time.But the point is that it still appears to be swift loss as it is shown in our livingrooms over a much shorter timeframe.Even the most intelligent of us can be fooled a little by this.

It's a little bit like the reality shows based in the NIC wards of major hospitals. While our intellect tells us that the miracles don't happen as quickly as we see them on TV ,and that most of the outcomes are not as rosy in the short or long term,it doesn't translate to parents.Staff in NICs will tell you how the expectations of parents for successful outcomes is influenced by these reality shows.

I am all for people improving their health.But I am with Roopy in my concern for the impact of shows such as Biggest Loser on this.
 

TheParraboy

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Shouldn't people be intelligent enough not to pin all their weightloss hopes and goals on a reality tv show?


Youd hope it would get people of their backsides, exercise and eating better, NOT losing 10kilos a week. But unfortunately the media is a powerfull tool, a brain washing tool for many sadly

How successfull is TBL? TV ratings , sure, brillaint. BUT we have recently been ranked the fattest nation on earth per capita havent we :?
 
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I dont think so

The contestants from the series gone by have been given nutritional information, tons of it. It just wasnt considered good tv to show what they have learned, only in snippets. Now they are adding more air time to it. The puplic will benefit most, hopefully

By the looks of it, Masterchef's ratings seems to have a lot to do with it.
I'll be watching for the food bits, but God I can't stand the drama in this show.
 

roopy

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God I can't stand the drama in this show.
Hopefully the new season will be more about content than the drama of it all.
I watched and enjoyed the last half of the first season, but since then it has become more and more about making the fatties cry, and i can't stand watching it.
 

TheParraboy

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I dont think it that bad to see people crying and find out reason why they got obese

Its quite an emotional experience to deal with your demons, to acknowledge youve gotten to a certain disgusting way of life. I think it might also help viewers in the same boat, to understand that in a lot of cases its not food that made you big, a lot of the time its stresses and emotional baggage that people need to deal with as well. Food is a great comforter. Just like alcohol and drugs can be
 

TheParraboy

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Holly Molly, who saw that chick scoff down over 4000 calories of sweets in one sitting :crazy:

I didnt see the show yesterday, But saw her get flogged by Michelle today :D
 

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I disagree.
I feel that pitting people against each other in the area of weight lose is inappropriate. I believe it sends the message that weight lose is a competition -a game to be won. This is a very dangerous message to send anyone with a slightly obsessive personality.

The emphasis is very much on losing weight and calorie counting instead of healthy lifestyles blending in with everyday life.

The very existence of a prize at the end worries me greatly.What ever did become of that guy who won a few years ago who was skin and bones at the end?

I disagree. I have only watched last years series and that was because a good mate of mine was on it. Talking with him since the show and seeing his approach to everything in his life now it became obvious that they give the contestants knowledge and skills to take away and improve their lives.

It is amazing how much of a life changing experience it has been for him in nearly every aspect.

I hated the show but it is hugely popular, pretty much every time I see him we get interupted with people wanting his autograph or a photo with him.
 

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