The Bunker

[Card Shark]

I thought they were already based in Perth.

 

[Rabbits20]

Well this didn't happen last week with Daniel Topou's no try. Ashley Klein ruled try, so the bunker needed proof it was no try to overturn, however Gerard Sutton changed that rule for this one off occasion when ruling it 'no try' saying that there was 'insufficient evidence' the ball was grounded.

To compound this 'one off' changing of the rule, Tony Archer (who happens to be Gerard Sutton's best mate, helps explain why the failed referee got this gig) agreed with the no try ruling saying that Topou did not apply 'enough' downward pressure. I am not sure if he got out a manometer to measure this but it was just another way of justifying the unjustifiable. There is no such criteria for the 'amount' of downward pressure required in the rule book because there is no means of measuring. There is either downward pressure or there isn't.

The Tupou try should have been a try.

As should the one the other night to Joe.

We've both been dudded a lot this season.

 

[bileduct]

Not according to the rules.

 

[bileduct]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[some11]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/0d20ed70b802aec6cc92fada64e52320

Looks like the old "this will cost a team a grand final" is getting a run.

You cannot eliminate human error, and it doesn't help when every man and his dog complain about a decision for days and even weeks afterward.

 

[Timmah]

The reactions are absolutely painful.

The Bunker isn't the problem. If we went back to at-ground video referees we'd have the same issues. The issue is human error and human interpretation.

The sooner we accept that errors will happen the better. People (self included) are far too willing to blame others rather than their own team's performance.

 

[El Diablo]

If we went back to at-ground video referees we'd have the same issues. The issue is human error and human interpretation.

so it was a waste of $2 million seeing it changed nothing

 

[moffla]

The sooner we accept that errors will happen the better. People (self included) are far too willing to blame others rather than their own team's performance.

Agreed with this in particular. On top of this, the poor decisions tend to balance themselves out anyway - however people only focus on the ones that have hurt their side.

 

[Timmah]

so it was a waste of $2 million seeing it changed nothing

I don't agree with that. Decisions are certainly made faster, on average, than they used to be. That's something a lot of people wanted improved and I think that's been achieved.

It's also sped up the Match Review process - since Round 10 charges have been issued within 24 hours rather than waiting til Monday to hear who's been charged.

 

[Valheru]

The reactions are absolutely painful.

The Bunker isn't the problem. If we went back to at-ground video referees we'd have the same issues. The issue is human error and human interpretation.

The sooner we accept that errors will happen the better. People (self included) are far too willing to blame others rather than their own team's performance.

I agree we will always have human error, however the bunker was meant to fix 2 key issues. The first being the speed of the decision so a tick there. The second being consistency, which just has not happened. It is still a lottery and we are seeing tries given in one game and not in another and vice versa.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

The reactions are absolutely painful.

The Bunker isn't the problem. If we went back to at-ground video referees we'd have the same issues. The issue is human error and human interpretation.

The sooner we accept that errors will happen the better. People (self included) are far too willing to blame others rather than their own team's performance.

The bunker isn't the problem, however the people manning it are. What are Luke Patten's credentials, other than being a former player to occupy a role in the process. What about Gerard Sutton, he failed as a ref, what is he doing there? What criteria did he meet to be appointed to this role? I feel a bit uncomfortable knowing he is Tony Archer's best mate that this was nothing other than a job for the boys appointment. Sure mistakes can be made but that is no excuse. Mistakes can be minimized by establishing processes that reduce this risk. I see nothing but inconsistency from the bunker on a weekly basis and there is not much hope of things improving with the same people in charge.

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe the inconsistency is partly due to them reviewing decisions post games and realising they got it wrong so don't do it again? To err once is human, to err numerous times is unforgiveable

Just for speeding up decisions and not looking at 15 replays it has been worth the money imo!

 

[Timmah]

I agree we will always have human error, however the bunker was meant to fix 2 key issues. The first being the speed of the decision so a tick there. The second being consistency, which just has not happened. It is still a lottery and we are seeing tries given in one game and not in another and vice versa.

Another sweeping generalisation. I could go back and check, but Bernard Sutton is the primary review official for the majority of games. When he's not, it's either Patten or Klein.

It's been reasonably well publicised/accepted that Sutton will err on the side of the rulebook while Patten will adapt more of a player-friendly sort of approach. Clubs and players should probably take that into account. It's human nature, the same with the eight different referees every week. Their interpretations will always vary slightly.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you they're all consistent by any means but within reason they're doing an OK job. They're on a hiding to nothing and under the circumstances I'm pretty happy with the way it's tracking.

The bunker isn't the problem, however the people manning it are. What are Luke Patten's credentials, other than being a former player to occupy a role in the process. What about Gerard Sutton, he failed as a ref, what is he doing there? What criteria did he meet to be appointed to this role? I feel a bit uncomfortable knowing he is Tony Archer's best mate that this was nothing other than a job for the boys appointment. Sure mistakes can be made but that is no excuse. Mistakes can be minimized by establishing processes that reduce this risk. I see nothing but inconsistency from the bunker on a weekly basis and there is not much hope of things improving with the same people in charge.

Until you can actually come up with something substantial (including getting names right - Gerard Sutton is still a referee), I'm not going to even bother with the rubbish above.

 

[Timmah]

Maybe the inconsistency is partly due to them reviewing decisions post games and realising they got it wrong so don't do it again? To err once is human, to err numerous times is unforgiveable

Just for speeding up decisions and not looking at 15 replays it has been worth the money imo!

Can't believe I'm agreeing with you PR, but this is exactly right.

And if you went back and looked at the official word on decisions, I dare say they have less than 10 "absolutely wrong" across the year.

 

[BCH]

Can't believe I'm agreeing with you PR, but this is exactly right.

And if you went back and looked at the official word on decisions, I dare say they have less than 10 "absolutely wrong" across the year.

I presume you are referring here to "Tony Archer's" official word.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

I presume you are referring here to "Tony Archer's" official word.

Which is completely laughable, he has zero impartiality whatsoever.

 

[Timmah]

There are not enough tinfoil hats to go around

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Maybe the bunker needs to quote the rule so these dopey commentators can read it and understand the decision. What is frustrating is the constant check this detail on some, and just the put down on others. The bunker gets blamed because they haven't gone right back despite being told to only check the grounding... We probably need to limit what can be checked further or check the entire last play. From the play the ball.

And something needs to be done with forward passes. I'm sick of seeing them let go constantly. GPS the ball and tell the players it isn't where you run to, it is where the ball finishes that matters. Some buzzer goes off if is forward. I bet they all go away if there is tracking on the ball. Dummy half passes will instantly improve. It is stealing an advantage and should be penalised.

Christ, GPS the players too to fix onside calls. Make it he back of the jersey rather than feet. They will blow a penalty on almost every kick off if they did.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

There are not enough tinfoil hats to go around

No doubt you are vehemently defending Sep Blatter and co on the soccer forums, The IOC on the Olympic forums and big business on the political forums denying they are dodging paying tax. These people rely on people like you who are prepared to just bend over unlubed.

 

[Timmah]

No doubt you are vehemently defending Sep Blatter and co on the soccer forums, The IOC on the Olympic forums and big business on the political forums denying they are dodging paying tax. These people rely on people like you who are prepared to just bend over unlubed.

I'm glad your world is black and white. Somehow not agreeing that the Bunker is up shit creek due largely to a frenzy whipped up by commentators and media (what's that about not believing everything you're fed?) is supporting the establishment?

When it comes down to it - referees, Bunker etc, they'll all make mistakes.

Just like the 17 blokes who take the field for our teams each weekend.