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The Delay will Be No More

fizman

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I have been very critical of Dykes for a while and if he is dropped, I wish him all the best for the future in Hull. I will not be happy until we get rid of Kimmorley from the halfback position.

As I have stated, I have no problem playing him at hooker.

I still think it may be a little early to bring Watts into the squad, so I would consider a Bird De Gois combination for now and bring Kearney straight in when he is ready to go.
 

spider

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carcharias said:
I have seen the answer to our 5/8 dilema.
He is playing 5/8 for Canberra.

Campese I think his name is...big young bloke that was carving up the cowboys.

who else saw him?
yes, i watched that game

he played well and if not for a couple of errors at the back end (one which probably was crucial) he had a top game none the less on the losing side

they seem to be finding plenty of halves down that way
 

Qld-Sharkie

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The news in the injury thread was Kearney possible back after the bye. Does anyone know if this is still on track?
 

Quigs

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Unfortunately Quey, Kearney is not going to save us.

The only way our club will be saved this year is when someone in authority gets up on the fruitbox and screams.

[censored #7] and [censored #6] and their old age pensions have been our problem. We have given them enough rope. We cannot fix that problem - -- - - - We are wrong - - - - therefore we are now going to go with the combination of ???? and ????

Personally I don't give a flying who ????? and ????? are as long as they are not those two useless ones that between them have won a handfull of games for us over the years but have lost squillions more. And a lot of them have been ones that we should of won on a canter.

Crikey I am still cranky.

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs
 
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I'd like to see.

6.Bird
7.Kimmorley

11.Williams
12.Thompson
13.Gallen

17.Watts.

Ease the young kid Watts into games.
If he takes to it like a Duck to water then give him a starting berth and Bird can start at lock in the run on side.
 

Foz

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Dragon Slayer said:
I'd like to see.

6.Bird
7.Kimmorley

11.Williams
12.Thompson
13.Gallen

17.Watts.

Ease the young kid Watts into games.
If he takes to it like a Duck to water then give him a starting berth and Bird can start at lock in the run on side.

I think they'll go with 6,7,11,12,13 but then they have a problem with Kearney.
I'm not a Bird at 5/8 fan but if NSW are considering it we will.
Do they turf Simmons to the wing and play Kearney fullback or play Kearney as the back bench player?
Do they leave out Simmons or Kearney or Brown?
Watts may have to wait.
Maybe the football gods will solve the problem for us if someone gets injured.(not hoping for that but it may happen).
I'd never play Kimmorley as a hooker.
Just watching him at dummy half yesterday was enough.
Was it because he wasnt there as a first receiver or we just didnt have one with Dykes off and Kimmorley at dummy half?
Theres only one spot for Kimmorley and if he's not good enough playing it in first grade you send him to premier league.
 
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Again we see our forum go quickly OT the way that only this forum can - with a good tip on Dykes quickly becoming a discussion about a tackle on Bird.

Now that we've moved back onto Dykes, the question must be asked again - what is going on at this club?

Dykes is unwanted, benched, about to be dumped then punted to England? That's fine, whatever, but wasn't he the first choice at halfback for next season?

I admit I havent been following too closely lately, been very busy at work, but didnt we tell Kimmorley to take a walk because Dykes got in?

If so:
1. Did no one at the club have the foresight to see how Dykes would be surplus to requirements just two months down the track, before offering him a deal to stay at the club in 2008 and possibly beyond?

2. If not, why not - and who is running the show?

3. If Dykes is that bad, what does it say for the second choice, Kimmorley, who was only signed at a cut-price because Dykes walked? And more importantly, the people who teed up that last ditch effort, rather than looking outside to recruit?

I ask these questions in the context of all the deluded self-praise going around the joint following the Dykes/Kimmorley saga that Ricky Stuart and his new staff had brought in a new "don't mess with the Sharks" attitude to bargaining and contract negotiations.

How I perceive things as having happened is the following:
1. Stuart thought Dykes was the right option and wanted him to stay

2. Club cuts offer to Kimmorley, creating a mechanism for him to walk and join another club, because he is not seen as the right option.

3. Club publicly crows about its new tough-guy attitude including the extremely unprofessional scene of leaking details to the Daily Tele about how Kimmorley is told he is no longer wanted at the agreed price, offer withdrawn - right down to the gory details of WHERE this is happening, with the obligatory back page photo. Regardless of your stance on Noddy, it was wrong he was publicly humiliated and hung out to dry.

4. Then, simultaneously:
-Dykes backs out due to lucrative UK offer, AND
-Market baulks at Kimmorley, leaving him stranded.

5. Option 1 Dykes hotfoots it overseas, Sharks forced to backflip on tough-guy stance and sign second-chance Kimmorley to a similar deal to the very offer they withdrew - either $250K or $300K depending on what you read, with another $50K top-up - coming close to the $700K Kimmorley originally wanted.

So in the end the Sharks have lost their first choice option who it turns out wasnt the best option after all and are left with Brett Kimmorley.

Noddy got the cash he wanted, and it's his last contract so good luck to him. But after being leaked on, told he was not at the top of the list and the Sharks putting out the public perception that he was forced to take a big pay cut, you've gotta wonder where his motivation levels are at.

The guy cops a bucketing for being rusted on to Chris Anderson but he's probably thinking "at least Opes doesnt f**k me over."

And that's without even relating this drama back to Hannay and Seymour.

Possibly we did try to recruit new 6s and 7s. But with the way we've been treating our own, who would want to play for us?
 

fizman

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King of the Hill said:
Again we see our forum go quickly OT the way that only this forum can - with a good tip on Dykes quickly becoming a discussion about a tackle on Bird.

Now that we've moved back onto Dykes, the question must be asked again - what is going on at this club?

Dykes is unwanted, benched, about to be dumped then punted to England? That's fine, whatever, but wasn't he the first choice at halfback for next season?

I admit I havent been following too closely lately, been very busy at work, but didnt we tell Kimmorley to take a walk because Dykes got in?

If so:
1. Did no one at the club have the foresight to see how Dykes would be surplus to requirements just two months down the track, before offering him a deal to stay at the club in 2008 and possibly beyond?

2. If not, why not - and who is running the show?

3. If Dykes is that bad, what does it say for the second choice, Kimmorley, who was only signed at a cut-price because Dykes walked? And more importantly, the people who teed up that last ditch effort, rather than looking outside to recruit?

I ask these questions in the context of all the deluded self-praise going around the joint following the Dykes/Kimmorley saga that Ricky Stuart and his new staff had brought in a new "don't mess with the Sharks" attitude to bargaining and contract negotiations.

How I perceive things as having happened is the following:
1. Stuart thought Dykes was the right option and wanted him to stay

2. Club cuts offer to Kimmorley, creating a mechanism for him to walk and join another club, because he is not seen as the right option.

3. Club publicly crows about its new tough-guy attitude including the extremely unprofessional scene of leaking details to the Daily Tele about how Kimmorley is told he is no longer wanted at the agreed price, offer withdrawn - right down to the gory details of WHERE this is happening, with the obligatory back page photo. Regardless of your stance on Noddy, it was wrong he was publicly humiliated and hung out to dry.

4. Then, simultaneously:
-Dykes backs out due to lucrative UK offer, AND
-Market baulks at Kimmorley, leaving him stranded.

5. Option 1 Dykes hotfoots it overseas, Sharks forced to backflip on tough-guy stance and sign second-chance Kimmorley to a similar deal to the very offer they withdrew - either $250K or $300K depending on what you read, with another $50K top-up - coming close to the $700K Kimmorley originally wanted.

So in the end the Sharks have lost their first choice option who it turns out wasnt the best option after all and are left with Brett Kimmorley.

Noddy got the cash he wanted, and it's his last contract so good luck to him. But after being leaked on, told he was not at the top of the list and the Sharks putting out the public perception that he was forced to take a big pay cut, you've gotta wonder where his motivation levels are at.

The guy cops a bucketing for being rusted on to Chris Anderson but he's probably thinking "at least Opes doesnt f**k me over."

And that's without even relating this drama back to Hannay and Seymour.

Possibly we did try to recruit new 6s and 7s. But with the way we've been treating our own, who would want to play for us?


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 

spider

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i would think the first option is the first option

not after the first is withdrawn - then a second offered, it becomes the first option by default or withdrawl

pretty simple stuff for mine - first is first
 

Frenzy.

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carcharias said:
I have seen the answer to our 5/8 dilema.
He is playing 5/8 for Canberra.

Campese I think his name is...big young bloke that was carving up the cowboys.

who else saw him?

Yes, been watching him closely actually. Tamazoid bought his name up as one to recruit in a thread earlier.

He's Dave Campese's nephew carch
 

Foz

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That Campese has a big kicking game too-something we need.
Surely Canberra would have him tied up.
They seem to have 3 pretty good halves though one of their half backs doesnt always defend as good as the other.(Dobson sometimes struggles in defence but is still a good player)
 
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Foz said:
I think they'll go with 6,7,11,12,13 but then they have a problem with Kearney.
I'm not a Bird at 5/8 fan but if NSW are considering it we will. I think it's our best option at the moment. For one thing our defence will lift!!
Do they turf Simmons to the wing and play Kearney fullback or play Kearney as the back bench player?
Do they leave out Simmons or Kearney or Brown?Kearney to Fullback and either Simmons,Brown and Taulapapa to the wing. The rest to PL. Kearney has been the standout Fullback this year.
Watts may have to wait. I think we should bench him to give us another option at 5/8 during the game.
Maybe the football gods will solve the problem for us if someone gets injured.(not hoping for that but it may happen).
I'd never play Kimmorley as a hooker. I agree!
Just watching him at dummy half yesterday was enough.
Was it because he wasnt there as a first receiver or we just didnt have one with Dykes off and Kimmorley at dummy half?
Theres only one spot for Kimmorley and if he's not good enough playing it in first grade you send him to premier league.

I think to start games the Bird/Kimmorley combo can get through the early rough stuff. Bring Watts on when things have settled down.
 
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Release Dykes now, or its premier league for him.

On Kimmorley even though signed a 2 year deal, there must be achance should Panthers release Gower to play union in europe, they may need a halfback, we could see Noddy for Panthers in 2008, they would clean out both Dykes/Kimmorley
 

Since 73

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King of the Hill:
Now that we've moved back onto Dykes, the question must be asked again - what is going on at this club?

........ Did no one at the club have the foresight to see how Dykes would be surplus to requirements just two months down the track, before offering him a deal to stay at the club in 2008 and possibly beyond?
Excellent post KOH.
Very pertinent questions which are being ignored.

A month ago Dykes was tyhe future.
If SLE is correct today's he is the past.

More backflips than gymnast convention.

Noddygate meant the end for Roper and now it is bringing Sticky undone.

We can win with Dykes but we CANNOT WIN WITH NODDY - and until Sticky stands up and shows the neccessary balls to get rid of the guy we will continue to see backflips.

Noddy cannot create a try to save his life. He can't win with us or NSW.
We are getting beaten consistently now and so instead of pointing the finger at the main offender, Sticky:
1. Blames HIMSELF!!!!
2. Blame Dykes. (However at this stage this is simply going by SLE's info)

So who's next?

At the moment Noddy could walk into Westpac without a mask and clean the place out and the finger would get pointed elsewhere.


2. If not, why not - and who is running the show?
Very strong 'behind the scenes supporters' on Kimmorley by the looks of it.
 

Frenzy.

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Since 73 said:
Excellent post KOH.
Very pertinent questions which are being ignored.

A month ago Dykes was tyhe future.
If SLE is correct today's he is the past.

More backflips than gymnast convention.

Noddygate meant the end for Roper and now it is bringing Sticky undone.

We can win with Dykes but we CANNOT WIN WITH NODDY - and until Sticky stands up and shows the neccessary balls to get rid of the guy we will continue to see backflips.

Noddy cannot create a try to save his life. He can't win with us or NSW.
We are getting beaten consistently now and so instead of pointing the finger at the main offender, Sticky:
1. Blames HIMSELF!!!!
2. Blame Dykes. (However at this stage this is simply going by SLE's info)

So who's next?

At the moment Noddy could walk into Westpac without a mask and clean the place out and the finger would get pointed elsewhere.



Very strong 'behind the scenes supporters' on Kimmorley by the looks of it.

Not ignored, I'm moratorium bound :)
 

The Dodger

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campese looked great on the weekend (apart from that last set of six which he pretty much stuffed up).

regardless, canberra will be shafting either him or kearney and both would be great to have.
 

Frailty

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Since 73 said:
Excellent post KOH.
Very pertinent questions which are being ignored.

A month ago Dykes was tyhe future.
If SLE is correct today's he is the past.

More backflips than gymnast convention.

Noddygate meant the end for Roper and now it is bringing Sticky undone.

We can win with Dykes but we CANNOT WIN WITH NODDY - and until Sticky stands up and shows the neccessary balls to get rid of the guy we will continue to see backflips.

Noddy cannot create a try to save his life. He can't win with us or NSW.
We are getting beaten consistently now and so instead of pointing the finger at the main offender, Sticky:
1. Blames HIMSELF!!!!
2. Blame Dykes. (However at this stage this is simply going by SLE's info)

So who's next?

At the moment Noddy could walk into Westpac without a mask and clean the place out and the finger would get pointed elsewhere.



Very strong 'behind the scenes supporters' on Kimmorley by the looks of it.

You are a dead set joke. No matter how bad Dykes plays, you still find away to say it is ALL kimmorley's fault. For christ's sake I guarentee that the coaches at the Sharks are more aware of who is at fault. Was it Kimmorley's fault that Dykes let in two very soft tries? Was it really kimmorley's fault that Dykes did a chip and chase only to tackle Vagana who was no where near the ball and put the sharks under pressure? Was it kimmorley's fault that when we needed a deep kick dyke kicks it of the side of his boot for about 10m gain, again putting the sharks under pressure?

Your constant obsession with how 'bad' kimmorley is for the sharks is a f**king joke and is causing you to lose sight of who is playing poorly. But then again, those situations were positive like Dykes' two kicks out on the full, weren't they?

Now let's go over Dykes two wins at half back. A limp over the line against a 12 man Dragons side that is currently in last place and just lost to a melbourne side minus their halfback by a large margin. Also a win against a warriors side who were hot and cold. Sure we lost to them last week, but they were due for a win and their large win over the Panthers demonstrated they were not as poor as some believed them to be!

You have demonstrated many times on this forum S73 that you are a fool blinded by your obsession of hate for Kimmorley, and your love for Dykes. Both players are clearly not the future, but based on this years form, and particularly the last couple of weeks, the majority would suggest Dykes is in worse form. Oh wait, it's Kimmorley's fault that Dykes is playing poor isn't it?
 

Frailty

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King of the Hill said:
Or, as you would seemingly have it mate, Kimmorley can play as badly as he wants - because Dykes is worse?

Actually, if you have a look at my posts throughout the forum I have argued to boot both of them.
 

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