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OK cool, got a little worried with your short response when you said "I was clearly wrong" and thought you might have been annoyed.
Anyway, reading some of people's accounts on here, it seems this runs a hell of a lot deeper than what Scipione has said ... there are three sides to every story, as there is with this one (the police version, the victims' version, and the truth) ... it will be somewhere in the middle.
But from what I have been able to glean, from piecing together articles, police statements, coroner's comments, victims' statements, and witnesses statements, it looks to have gone something like this -- and this is all just a hypothesis, meant in no way to incriminate or imply guilt on anyone's part:
1) Argument breaks out between deceased, family and other patrons. Could the family members have been arguing with each other? One news report I read on Monday inferred this possibility.
2) Leagues Club Security Guards and NSW Police rushed over.
3) Police told patrons to 'move on' .. whether this meant 'leave this area' or 'get out of the club and go home', I am unsure.
4) Patrons did not want to leave, said they were going nowhere.
5) Policemen pushed the Vasevski brothers. The Vasevski brothers pushed back (this was admitted by the younger brother on TV).
6) At this sign of retaliation, the police became aggressive. Likewise, the Vasevski brothers, became aggressive, with the deceased apparently picking up a glass / glass bottle and smashing it into a Leagues Club's security guard's face, around the eye socket.
7) Details then become very hazy, with many conflicting reports from all and sundry, but at the least the deceased was blinded with capsicum spray, and hit around the legs/chest area with police batons. Police say he wasn't tasered and wasn't hit in the head with the baton. Witnesses say deceased was tasered multiple times - could they be confusing the deceased with the youngest brother, who has said on TV that he was tasered three times? It would appear that the deceased was not hit with the baton to the head, as confirmed by the coroner's preliminary findings.
8) At some point during (7), the deceased's heart stops beating as he goes into cardiac arrest. Police desperately try to perform CPR on deceased.
9) A number of security guards and policeman are bloodied and dazed after the incident, standing around and appearing to be severely injured. One security guard's face looks a mess (perhaps this was the man who was 'glassed' by the deceased), and he ends up in a neck brace by the time the Leagues Club is closed.
10) Security/police tell patrons there is nothing to see, and to move on .. patrons who have witnessed the exchange ask to make formal statements to the police, but the police refuse to listen to them. Police are not talking to the patrons except to say that there is nothing going on, even though in plain sight behind glass doors, other policeman are performing CPR on the deceased man, who has blood coming out of his left ear and running down his neck -- this could suggest that the blood started coming out of his left ear when he was still in an upright position, as the blood has travelled down his neck (had he been lying down, the blood would go to the back of his neck)?? Would would cause blood to run out of a man's ears if he is still in a standing position but hasn't been hit in the head by a baton? Could electric currents do that??
11) The aftermath ... club is closed, patrons kicked out, ambulance arrives, filmed on TV cameras trying to perform CPR / defib on the deceased in the ambulance in the carpark.
Obviously all conjecture and just trying to piece bits and pieces together ... (7) is clearly the key point, and that's the one that appears to be least clear.
Thoughts?
