The grand plan

[Wb1234]

I’m not talking about their long term motives ..

How much are they offering to pay to acquire a 33 per cent share ?

You asked if they are paying anything I answered yes they are

Nobody knows how much now

 

[Gobsmacked]

Yes but they plan on giving it back at cost to the English clubs once it’s turned around

So apparently the nrl will receive no payoff financially

They're looking at a 33% stake but 100% control. But it also mentions the possibility of forming a break away league:
No upfront cost, just an annual grant and cap akin to NRL. they've already indicated an interest. They'd sign in a heartbeat.
Wigan
Warrington
Saints
Leeds
Hull kr
Hull fc
London
Bradford
Toulouse
Catalans

 

[Wb1234]

They're looking at a 33% stake but 100% control. But it also mentions the possibility of forming a break away league:
No upfront cost, just an annual grant and cap akin to NRL. they've already indicated an interest. They'd sign in a heartbeat.
Wigan
Warrington
Saints
Leeds
Hull kr
Hull fc
London
Bradford
Toulouse
Catalans

I dunno how you see this big picture things

Someone else on Twitter was posting something similar to your original post about the scenario you mention

And why Pvl is going full time

 

[BuffaloRules]

You asked if they are paying anything I answered yes they are

Nobody knows how much now

Well… I’ll be very interested in how much …. I can see PVL spinning about the value of the NRL name and their intellect property

 

[Wb1234]

Well… I’ll be very interested in how much …. I can see PVL spinning about the value of the NRL name and their intellect property

Super league isn’t worth much

They tried to get a pe deal it valued the whole game at like 80 million pounds

But individual clubs are rich. Many own their own grounds and have turnover of around 12 to 15 million pounds

Leeds alone would be worth tens of millions of pounds

 

[Gobsmacked]

The 3 conferences:
NSW. Pacific. Europe

Tigers. PNG. Wigan
Parramatta. Perth. Warrington
Newcastle. Melbourne. Leeds
Manly. Brisbane. Toulouse
Bulldogs. Warriors. St Helens
Roosters. Canberra. Catalans
Rabbitohs. Cowboys. London
Penrith. Dolphins. Hull fc
Cronulla. Titans. Hull kr
Dragons. Christchurch. Bradford

?
A man can dream.

GRL. Global rugby league

 

[Perth Red]

Under this structure, ALL revenue total would be spent evenly across all 30 clubs. That means Hull would have the same grant and cap as the rest of the league.

Sounds very altruistic but in reality can you see the Australian clubs being willing to give up $160mill a year of their tv revenue to English clubs? For that matter even adding the UK $45mill a year tv rights to the pot the NRL doesn't have $200mill a year to give to English clubs if it wanted to.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Sounds very altruistic but in reality can you see the Australian clubs being willing to give up $160mill a year of their tv revenue to English clubs? For that matter even adding the UK $45mill a year tv rights to the pot the NRL doesn't have $200mill a year to give to English clubs if it wanted to.

If the English/ French club receives a grant and salary cap akin to the NRL.. it will boom and be pulling its fair share of revenue.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Think about it all for a second and ask yourself why this concept of the NRL buying into SL and running it?
To me it looks like a "GLOBAL BRANDING" type exercise.
Why now?
OOOhhhhh thats right, TV rights are about to start in the negotiation phase.
Having a European competition, with a hint of North America to add.
Looks mighty bigger and better than just a competition running in Australia (w/ NZ and PNG).
Helps that the new owners are Euro based too.

 

[Wb1234]

If the English/ French club receives a grant and salary cap akin to the NRL.. it will boom and be pulling its fair share of revenue.

Pr is right

Nrl can’t afford to pay English clubs as much as ours

But their tv deal got cut in half that’s a good goal to work on getting back to to 40 million pa and work on a 14 team league

 

[Perth Red]

If the English/ French club receives a grant and salary cap akin to the NRL.. it will boom and be pulling its fair share of revenue.

haha its not getting to $200mill plus plus! Its currently $45mill for the whole game in UK.
So again I ask do you honestly believe the Australian clubs are going to allow $160mill+ a year to flow out of the NRL coffers to NRL Europe, and even if they say yes where does the NRL get that sort of money from?

Much more realistic would be NRLE and NZ gets brought under the total sales deal to DAZN with say an initial $8 mill a year grant to NRLE clubs (currently the grant is around $3mill year in SL). That would give the NRLE clubs financial security and opportunity to grow and invest in key areas. Total cost around $100mill to NRL (grants plus running costs of comp) of which hopefully around $60-70mill is covered by NRLE tv deals. That would be achievable but still require a massive investment by NRL of $30-40mill per year with little ROI for years to come.

 

[Gobsmacked]

haha its not getting to $200mill plus plus! Its currently $45mill for the whole game in UK.
So again I ask do you honestly believe the Australian clubs are going to allow $160mill+ a year to flow out of the NRL coffers to NRL Europe, and even if they say yes where does the NRL get that sort of money from?

Much more realistic would be NRLE and NZ gets brought under the total sales deal to DAZN with say an initial $8 mill a year grant to NRLE clubs (currently the grant is around $3mill year in SL). That would give the NRLE clubs financial security and opportunity to grow and invest in key areas. Total cost around $100mill to NRL (grants plus running costs of comp) of which hopefully around $60-70mill is covered by NRLE tv deals. That would be achievable but still require a massive investment by NRL of $30-40mill per year with little ROI for years to come.

You've got some points but you underestimate what going global will bring in revenue. It's currently literally operating out of 1 corner in England.

10 clubs is 170 million btw

 

[Perth Red]

You've got some points but you underestimate what going global will bring in revenue. It's currently literally operating out of 1 corner in England.

10 clubs is 170 million btw

The NRL grant isnt $17mill anymore let alone in 2028 when all this would kick off. Some clubs got $21mil last year.

Im sure it woudl be a boost to package it all together for a company like DAZN that has reach into all the relevant countries. But it isnt going from $45mill to $200mill for UK RL anytime soon!

pS the RL M62 corridor has a population not far off NSW + Qlnd.

 

[Matiunz]

Not sure the ESL wages will get on par with the NRL otherwise you’d essentially have a lower calibre of player earning more than they probably should which would shift more NRL players to ESL diluting the NRL in the process.
Reason for NRL buying a stake in ESL would be to increase the player pool for future expansion, top tier ESL players coming to NRL, some NSW/Qld cup players propping up the ESL to gain experience.
NRL will milk the ESL for players rather than raise them up to NRL level. If that was their intent why not just fund a NZ/Pacific local comp and nurture it to a nsw/qld cup level

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL grant isnt $17mill anymore let alone in 2028 when all this would kick off. Some clubs got $21mil last year.

Im sure it woudl be a boost to package it all together for a company like DAZN that has reach into all the relevant countries. But it isnt going from $45mill to $200mill for UK RL anytime soon!

pS the RL M62 corridor has a population not far off NSW + Qlnd.

That pop stat is irrelevant since soccer is the major sport everywhere in the m62 even Wigan

 

[Maximus]

The grand plan for Rugby league that will take the game into the stratosphere:

As the NRL looks to a 20 team competition.
They are also looking at buying into Super league and wish to control it, with a look to make it a 10 team comp( 2 French) Europe NRL ( details in the SL thread)

Well we are getting rather particular about a certain number of clubs.. Here's why.

3 Conferences of 10:

10 NSW team Conference

10 team outside NSW Conference

10 team European Conference

Same grant and salary cap accross each Conference, note that SL in now live every game on fox now.


Each team within each Conference plays each other twice .
Top 3 of each Conference progress to the finals with 1 Wild card .
10 team finals series.

It all adds up.

By far the dumbest post ever made on this forum.

Same grant? So the 10 teams in Sydney benefit because their travel costs are only around Sydney whereas the others have to fly interstate/overseas.

Clubs have costs outside the salary cap, and you're handing a massive advantage to 10 teams over the rest.

 

[BuffaloRules]

NRL will milk the ESL for players rather than raise them up to NRL level. If that was their intent why not just fund a NZ/Pacific local comp and nurture it to a nsw/qld cup level

I don’t agree with this …. And I’m normally pretty cynical about the motives of the NRL clubs …

I think things are a lot more grim about the future of the ESL then what we might hear in this part of the world …. This is more about trying to help to keep the game going in England at the professional level …. I don’t see them doing this to turn it into solely a NRL feeder league … the game won’t last too long over there if that happens

 

[Perth Red]

That pop stat is irrelevant since soccer is the major sport everywhere in the m62 even Wigan

My point exactly! To suggest RL is struggling as its in a 'small northern corner' as gob put it is a dumb statement to make. Its got nothing to do with population reach and everything to do with football being a behemoth right across the UK taking up nearly very $ and every bit of sports fan interest. there isnt a team sport in Uk that's doing that well anymore due to that issue. NRL will find the same struggle.

 

[Wb1234]

My point exactly! To suggest RL is struggling as its in a 'small northern corner' as gob put it is a dumb statement to make. Its got nothing to do with population reach and everything to do with football being a behemoth right across the UK taking up nearly very $ and every bit of sports fan interest. there isnt a team sport in Uk that's doing that well anymore due to that issue. NRL will find the same struggle.

True but rugby league can be way bigger than it is esp as a summer sport

There’s a potential for a super league situation if some clubs push for Catalans to be booted

Esp if Dazn get the Aussie tv rights then funding a breakaway super league becomes feasible

 

[Perth Red]

True but rugby league can be way bigger than it is esp as a summer sport

There’s a potential for a super league situation if some clubs push for Catalans to be booted

Esp if Dazn get the Aussie tv rights then funding a breakaway super league becomes feasible

They wont lead a breakaway league, thats just stupid talk.

Yes the UK and French game cab be stroner and bigger, were already starting to see some fresh growth at many clubs due to IMG influence. But its never goign to match NRL no matter where you put clubs as it wall always be a very minor sport compared to football.

The best hope is DAZN want rights in all three countries and offer a big enough package that the knock on into Europe, and NZ, is significant.

Needs to be a 12 or ideally 14 team comp though. At moment there is only really 2 clubs in SL that are not pulling their weight. Salford and Hudds. Cas are middling but with potential. A 14 team league with a grant of $6-8mill a club of would work:
HKR
HFC
Cas
Wakey
Leeds
Bradford
Wolves
Wigan
St's
Leigh
Dragons
Toulouse

maybe
London
+ 1 (cant think of another club that would really add large fanbase and be financially strong)