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The halves conundrum

Yosh

Coach
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The Souths have: Russell

We have: ?/Chief/Joey...

Maybe Joey can convince them, but still a long shot don't you think? Joey was the best however he aint exactly Maximus Ariluis Pusyus; father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife who wants vengence if you know what I mean...
 

perverse

Referee
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The Souths have: Russell

We have: ?/Chief/Joey...

Maybe Joey can convince them, but still a long shot don't you think? Joey was the best however he aint exactly Maximus Ariluis Pusyus; father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife who wants vengence if you know what I mean...
to a rugby league halfback, he is.
 

Hanscholo

Bench
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We need to go into the market place, end of story. Neither Rogers or Dureau are the answer, Mullen however is a keeper.

Not sure why we sat on our hands chasing no hoper geniused idiots in the off season instead of trying to land a quality half. On that basis alone i am giving Stone a huge black mark, any coach with half a brain can see that what we have isnt winning a comp, and if we arent looking at winning a comp, why not.
 

Yosh

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What about JT? I hate QLDs as much as the next guy to post in here but he is a quality halfback, best in the comp if you ask me. Does it hurt to throw 500k at him next year? I mean I'd rather throw 500k and take the gamble rather than do nothing and win nothing for the next 5 to 10 years...
 

Yosh

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yeah, don't want JT. not at all, for a multitude of reasons.

Care to clarify?

He is the incumbent Australian halfback.
He has won 4 Origin series in a row.
He is the best halfback in the comp.
He plays hard every game, every minute, every tackle.
He kicks goals. Misses them right in front but does not miss from the sideline. EVER!

Whats so bad about him?

He'll cost a bomb!!!

What else?

Just my opinon but he is definately my favourite halfback in the comp at the moment. Scotty Prince and Benji definatley have much more flair ect but I love JT's 'kick into a corner and chase hard for 80 mintues and put the other team on the back foot all game' tactics!

Am I wrong?
 

perverse

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he's drama.
he's costly.
he's a selfish player.
we'd have to pay over and above any other offer tabled to him to be in with even a remote chance.
i hate the bloke.
red and blue wouldn't go well with his eyes.
he's arrogent (whether he has the right to be or not is another debate entirely).
he's a queenslander.

need i go on?
 

Yosh

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I agree he'll be costly. I also hate QLDs like I hav mentioned above BUT!!!

Can you put a price on a premiership?
Does your hate for QLDs outweigh your love for a Premiership?
 

perverse

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Does your hate for QLDs outweigh your love for a Premiership?
by itself, no.

with the whole package chucked in? yeah, possibly.

if we snagged thurston, once he left us we'd be left in yet another "post-star-halfback" rebuilding phase. there's also no guarentee he'd deliver us a premiership... because he hasn't been able to do so at the cowgirls yet.
 

Pika

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Cowboys have placed out of the top 8 two years running with him at half back.

If you put any of the top 5-10 half backs behind the All Star, QLD or Australian side they are going to shine.

The reality is, in an average team, he is average.

Would I have over most halfbacks in the comp? Probably.

Is he worth the expense? Not in my opinion.

Edit: Indegenous team even.....
 
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perverse

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do you think we should avoid quality / 'star' halfbacks for this reason?
yes, in part i do.

i think we should identify them early, when they aren't too expensive, and get them then.

i'm not a fan of paying for ANY buy when you're buying a player at their peak. it's simply the wrong time to buy in a salary cap world.
 

B-dos

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yes, in part i do.

i think we should identify them early, when they aren't too expensive, and get them then.

i'm not a fan of paying for ANY buy when you're buying a player at their peak. it's simply the wrong time to buy in a salary cap world.

how does any of that guard against the inevitable post star halfback rebuilding phase?.

in addition, while i agree that buying at their peak ensures youre paying about the maximum price the difference is you know what youre getting as opposed to a cheap punt on an up-and-comer who may well fizzle out as weve seen at the knights quite frequently in the past.
 

perverse

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how does any of that guard against the inevitable post star halfback rebuilding phase?.

in addition, while i agree that buying at their peak ensures youre paying about the maximum price the difference is you know what youre getting as opposed to a cheap punt on an up-and-comer who may well fizzle out as weve seen at the knights quite frequently in the past.
i can't believe i actually have to answer this question...

the reason why it guards against the post-star-halfback syndrome is simply because you're not paying 1 player in your team $500k+ a year (thurston would demand even more than that to come to newcastle), and suffering in other areas of your squad.

the benefits of sniping them young far outweigh the minimal risk. at least if a youngin fails, you're not out of pocket as well. if thurston came to newcastle and failed to deliver a premiership (just like he has failed consistently at NQ)... then what? by then we've bled some of our other best talent (especially our star juniors) and we're up the creek without a paddle, again.

you blokes are too interested in immediate success and buying a quick premiership. i'd prefer to build a long term contender.
 
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B-dos

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i can't believe i actually have to answer this question...

the reason why it guards against the post-star-halfback syndrome is simply because you're not paying 1 player in your team $500k+ a year (thurston would demand even more than that to come to newcastle), and suffering in other areas of your squad.

oh ok. so in fantasy land we are still paying him a pittance when he is a top quality, 'star' halfback.

lol, rightio

the benefits of sniping them young far outweigh the minimal risk. at least if a youngin fails, you're not out of pocket as well. if thurston came to newcastle and failed to deliver a premiership (just like he has failed consistently at NQ)... then what? by then we've bled some of our other best talent (especially our star juniors) and we're up the creek without a paddle, again.

thurston is quite clearly one of the best halfbacks in the comp. thats what youre paying for. the star quality he brings to the team and the overall quality he provides on the field. no one is guaranteeing anyone a premiership.

youre idea that we find an unknown and turn him into a superstar ala-andrew johns might work for a season or two. by the time he is of the quality of thurston with the crowd pulling power he has, they are on the same pay packet.

you blokes are too interested in immediate success and buying a quick premiership. i'd prefer to build a long term contender.

im simply questioning your belief that by uncovering a future johns we apparently wont be paying him 500k by the time he has reached that quality.
 

perverse

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oh ok. so in fantasy land we are still paying him a pittance when he is a top quality, 'star' halfback.

lol, rightio
excuse me.. but wha? re-read my post... i think the first bit went over your head... because this makes zero sense in relation to what i said. you've got a much better chance of getting a reasonably priced half if they're not at the peak of their career than if the media is felating the crap out of them every chance they get.
thurston is quite clearly one of the best halfbacks in the comp. thats what youre paying for. the star quality he brings to the team and the overall quality he provides on the field. no one is guaranteeing anyone a premiership.

youre idea that we find an unknown and turn him into a superstar ala-andrew johns might work for a season or two. by the time he is of the quality of thurston with the crowd pulling power he has, they are on the same pay packet.

im simply questioning your belief that by uncovering a future johns we apparently wont be paying him 500k by the time he has reached that quality.
now you're putting words in my mouth. i never said we need to uncover the next johns. in fact i believe i said quite the opposite... and have implied that i wouldn't be buying a star halfback. we don't need the best halfback in the game inside mullen, we need a middle-ground half, our cooper cronk (probably even a bit on the pricey side, but melbourne are paying him fairly)... our brent sherwin... our michael monaghan... hell, our jeff robson. you can't just fill your team with stars across the park... the salary cap prevents it. if we signed thurston, we would pay heavily in other areas, it's that simple.

i don't see the point in completely destroying all efforts that have been put in place to build our current squad... and just letting it disintegrate over time because we (well, a few of us) want a halfback with a big name attached, who hasn't proved any more successful in the NRL than a lot of his less-fancied counterparts.

yes, find another halfback, but don't pay overs. those are the rules i'd be playing by if i was in charge of recruitment for 2011. that means staying as far away from thurston as possible.

all of that aside, i still wouldn't buy thurston, because he's genuinely over-rated, he's a muppet (bad influence on our juniors) and not a part of the culture we're trying to rebuild at the club. if we could get him at a bargain, then i would reconsider the risk of taking him. at market price, no way in hell.
 

mrford61

Juniors
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Bite the bullet and give Mullen and Scott Dureau a season together.

If Mullen reaches his potential we dont need no expensive purchases. He will carry a less than "star" halves partner.
 
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