The junior footy weight/age debate is back

[mave]

Let's see, train all players to tackle like Steve Mortimer. That means the resultant offloads would have to be negated by the two players that would've normally been in a 3 man tackle

That would work if every player was capable of stopping any other player on the field one-on-one . . . sound feasible

How is the best way to ensure our players can tackle anyone else one-on-one?

Bring in rules, and actually enforce them, to encourage that tactic, and coaches will coach it, they will select and nurture players capable of carrying it out, and the game will be better for it.

 

[mave]

It will take time though.

 

[King hit]

This isn't completely surprising. I played a lot of junior Rugby when I was a kid and we often played with Polynesian kids who grow bigger earlier in life and some of them were just steamrolling everybody everytime they got the ball. I remember back in under 10's we had this bloke on our team that was at least 2 times bigger than anybody else on the field and we just had to pass the ball to him to win games.

 

[T-Boon]

Let's see, train all players to tackle like Steve Mortimer.

Sounds good (was Steve the best at this type of tackle? I think about Michael Speechley etc)
But I think it would mainly be smaller players bringing opponents down this way. The big tanks can still wrap up up top.

That means the resultant offloads would have to be negated by the two players that would've normally been in a 3 man tackle

While ever it is a 13 man game we are not going to have to worry about the game becoming too one on one.

That would work if every player was capable of stopping any other player on the field one-on-one . . . sound feasible

I think that most first graders are already capable of the solo leg tackles (even Sandow was good at these) it is just the way the game is played now due to the rule and Bellamy that the ball carrier gets a fast play the ball and that is deadly.

 

[POPEYE]

How is the best way to ensure our players can tackle anyone else one-on-one?

Bring in rules, and actually enforce them, to encourage that tactic, and coaches will coach it, they will select and nurture players capable of carrying it out, and the game will be better for it.

I'm with you, sounds f**king good to me. It was easier when the big men couldn't rest so much and the little blokes didn't continually get run over. If wave after wave of fresh big blokes ran at Mortimer for 80 minutes his asthma would've crucified him

Enforce one-on-on tackles without reducing interchange and Bellamy would have DCE looking like a pizza by game's end

 

[POPEYE]

Sounds good (was Steve the best at this type of tackle? I think about Michael Speechley etc)
But I think it would mainly be smaller players bringing opponents down this way. The big tanks can still wrap up up top.

While ever it is a 13 man game we are not going to have to worry about the game becoming too one on one.

I think that most first graders are already capable of the solo leg tackles (even Sandow was good at these) it is just the way the game is played now due to the rule and Bellamy that the ball carrier gets a fast play the ball and that is deadly.

So many holes in that shit and if I explained them to you I know you wouldn't understand

 

[T-Boon]

So many holes in that shit and if I explained them to you I know you wouldn't understand

Yeah, in other word you have nothing.
I challenge you to just try to come up with one hole.

 

[rupertpupkin]

This problem, which is hurting junior league, really got out of hand with the introduction of the interchange. We're still using the damn thing. Get rid of it and return to reserve only. You come off, you stay off. At least make these oversized buggers work harder and see how effective they are with 40 minute stints, minimum. Bring back weight limits. Sure, some of the behemoths will have to play up a couple of grades. If you wanna play with your mates, then lose some weight, fatty. It is a chronic situation and yes, some kids who are not able to lose enough weight, will be discouraged by the regs,. But, it's better to lose one oversized kid than the half dozen he will drive out by doing nothing.

 

[POPEYE]

Yeah, in other word you have nothing.
I challenge you to just try to come up with one hole.

One, just for you. The first man in would have to be the legs man, the attacker falls to the ground unless the other two get there in the split second necessary to hold him up, anything else is a flop

You do know we are talking about one-on-one tackles here don't you

 

[POPEYE]

No we're not, we're talking about heavy children . . . sorry

 

[Lemon Squash]

Were you 13 on 1 though?

Couple of them were big enough to probably be the equivalent of 13 normal chicks

 

[T-Boon]

One, just for you. The first man in would have to be the legs man, the attacker falls to the ground unless the other two get there in the split second necessary to hold him up, anything else is a flop

That is the current dynamics of it. The guy meekly tackled gets the reward of a fast play the ball even though he has been shamefully easily brought down like a pussy.

What I am saying is reward one on ones by changing the rules. Eg: if you are tackled meekly (one on one) like a big fat pussy, the defence gets to reset, or it becomes a five metre neutral zone next tackle, or the tackler can hold on for 10 seconds, or the meekly tackled pussy has to retreat a couple metres, or the tackler gets to eat his helpless prey.

You shouldn't get the advantage of fast play the ball because you got dominated like a fat pussy victim. Thats what Bellamy does, coaches his ball carriers to dive at the ground ASAP to get a fast pussy play the ball.

 

[siv]

Makes you wonder if the grassroots would be better separate from the NRL? Still under the commission but maybe with its own ceo etc. Disband NSWRL,QRL&CRL etc as stand alone entities and bring them all in together under one CEO and management system, save a shed load of administration money that can go back to the grassroots. Let Greenberg focus on making the NRL the best professional elite comp it can be and let someone else focus on grassroots.

In theory when it was setup the NRL was to only manage the elite level.of RL

But something got stuffed up when the commission arrived. Now its NRL WA NRL SA NRL NT just QRL and just NSWRL and just CRL

 

[siv]

When you read older annual reports we had weight divisions

Not sure why we stopped ?

 

[butchmcdick]

Fat chicks at the pub don't count.

Big girls need lovin too

 

[Jason Maher]

Weight divisions seems the obvious approach, but I'm sure it will be written off as racist by the professional whiners.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Big girls need lovin too

Of course they do mate.

I'll leave you to it.

 

[POPEYE]

That is the current dynamics of it. The guy meekly tackled gets the reward of a fast play the ball even though he has been shamefully easily brought down like a pussy.

What I am saying is reward one on ones by changing the rules. Eg: if you are tackled meekly (one on one) like a big fat pussy, the defence gets to reset, or it becomes a five metre neutral zone next tackle, or the tackler can hold on for 10 seconds, or the meekly tackled pussy has to retreat a couple metres, or the tackler gets to eat his helpless prey.

You shouldn't get the advantage of fast play the ball because you got dominated like a fat pussy victim. Thats what Bellamy does, coaches his ball carriers to dive at the ground ASAP to get a fast pussy play the ball.

You and mave look good together

 

[legs 11]

We used to have a grade under 85 kg open age in Nz in the 1980's. I player it as a 17 year old and it was a really good strong grade. A lot of older guys who had played first grade were in it....it was a great grounding and skills learning grade for young players and was much better for a white kid like me of about 83-kg than my other option of going to a different club and playing against monsters in the under 19 or under 21's at the time.
BTW went on to play a bit of first grade....

 

[T-Boon]

You and mave look good together

I don't like two man wrestles.