The Las Vegas Thread

[Perth Red]

Why is it an either or?

Yeah the NRL should be investing much more heavily in growth here in Australia, but the smart business would explore any and every opportunity as it presented itself, not turn them away because they weren't part of the plan.

You basically answered your own question. Everything has an opportunity cost to it, so the time and money we are spending on vegas is time and money not being spent growing the game in Aus and NZ.
What do we think is realistically more likely, getting revenue to $1billion through focusing on growing the game in Aus and NZ or getting to $1billion cracking the American market?

If NRL was serious, and I mean really serious, about cracking into the American market then great, massive gamble but has a chance long term. But does anyone honestly believe a double header once a year, largely attended by ex pats and Aussie tourists is going to achieve anything in the US sports market? We've already gone from 1% of the population to 50% of the ex pat community as a target!

 

[Perth Red]

If we are looking on the development side of it. $78m is being put aside for junior development from $600m revenue.

It isn't like that side has been stopped to fund Vegas

Thats still $11million less than 5 years ago and on par with grassroots spending 8 years ago. In real terms its probably the least the game has spent on grassroots since 2014.

Grass roots spending as % of revenue in last decade:

2014 13%
2015 15.5%
2016 16.3%
2017 17.3%
2018 12.1%
2019 15.9%

Vlandys and Abdo era
2020 covid
2021 9.2%
2022 11.1%
2023> commitment 13%

 

[Iamback]

Thats still $11million less than 5 years ago and on par with grassroots spending 8 years ago. In real terms its probably the least the game has spent on grassroots since 2014.

Grass roots spending as % of revenue in last decade:

2014 13%
2015 15.5%
2016 16.3%
2017 17.3%
2018 12.1%
2019 15.9%

Vlandys and Abdo era
2020 covid
2021 9.2%
2022 11.1%
2023> commitment 13%

2021 there were still lockdowns, Warriors were over here so had no development

Clubs are getting more resources and are doing alot of the work from their own academies, That is also not counted in that 13%

 

[Perth Red]

2021 there were still lockdowns, Warriors were over here so had no development

Clubs are getting more resources and are doing alot of the work from their own academies, That is also not counted in that 13%

Professional player development is not the same as grassroots and participation. Most clubs have always run Jnr elite pathway programs.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

pokies, lol

AFL will soon hit $1bill revenue. Theres still massive growth potential here before we worry about gamblers in the States in one of the toughest sports markets in the world to crack.

No one gives a f**k. Try an afl forum.

 

[Iamback]

Professional player development is not the same as grassroots and participation. Most clubs have always run Jnr elite pathway programs.

If you read the press releases on the relevant academies it was for more than just the elite to use.

Some clubs have always

Warriors are running an

U16's program
Harold Matthews team
SG Ball
Flegg team.

They have extra development people, Running coaching clinics etc, It is just waste for NRL to then fund their own guys to do the same stuff on the same players.

It has the same outcome.

You could add the $3m or so each club is spending on that to the $78m the NRL is directly spending.

$129m on junior development/pathways is hardly nothing spent

 

[Harry O]

Duz ani1 tink dooring d nfl fynal, willy dey bi showin sum NRL content on big screen?

 

[Wb1234]

You basically answered your own question. Everything has an opportunity cost to it, so the time and money we are spending on vegas is time and money not being spent growing the game in Aus and NZ.
What do we think is realistically more likely, getting revenue to $1billion through focusing on growing the game in Aus and NZ or getting to $1billion cracking the American market?

If NRL was serious, and I mean really serious, about cracking into the American market then great, massive gamble but has a chance long term. But does anyone honestly believe a double header once a year, largely attended by ex pats and Aussie tourists is going to achieve anything in the US sports market? We've already gone from 1% of the population to 50% of the ex pat community as a target!

They won’t actually spend a cent on Vegas itmwill
Cover costs

playing two games in Vegas won’t stop them announcing team 18 this year

and yeh an annual double header together with live tv coverage on foxsports one will have an impact

just pretend Las Vegas is in Perth and post accordingly

 

[Usain Bolt]

NRL really need a US celeb to do something like this. Jason Momoa promoting the All Blacks game in San Diego this year

 

[yakstorm]

Thats still $11million less than 5 years ago and on par with grassroots spending 8 years ago. In real terms its probably the least the game has spent on grassroots since 2014.

Grass roots spending as % of revenue in last decade:

2014 13%
2015 15.5%
2016 16.3%
2017 17.3%
2018 12.1%
2019 15.9%

Vlandys and Abdo era
2020 covid
2021 9.2%
2022 11.1%
2023> commitment 13%

I assume you have calculated the above based upon the amount the NRL has put under the categories Development and States & Affiliates under the annual report, however the flaw in just under taking that model was it ignores the change that PVL implemented when it came to the centrally managed Game Development Officers.

Up until COVID, there was the centralised Game Development Officer program that was run nationally which included roughly 160 DOs, with over half of these based in areas with NRL clubs. During COVID, the NRL made an agreement to move these positions, in areas which were represented by the NRL teams, under the remit of the clubs.

Not only did this shift some of the expenditure from Development to the Clubs, but it also saw a cost reduction, as often the NRL was required to hire facilities separate to the Club's to facilitate these DOs.

I'm not saying that means the NRL is investing as much as it was in 2019 this year, but it's not as black & white as the limited information in the NRL annual report.

 

[footyfan4life]

No one gives a f**k. Try an afl forum.

Try a tissue to have a sook with

 

[Harry O]

Try a tissue to have a sook with

It's amazing you're using the word TRY . In Yawnion they don't score trys or tries lol, only goals haha

 

[Iamback]

I assume you have calculated the above based upon the amount the NRL has put under the categories Development and States & Affiliates under the annual report, however the flaw in just under taking that model was it ignores the change that PVL implemented when it came to the centrally managed Game Development Officers.

Up until COVID, there was the centralised Game Development Officer program that was run nationally which included roughly 160 DOs, with over half of these based in areas with NRL clubs. During COVID, the NRL made an agreement to move these positions, in areas which were represented by the NRL teams, under the remit of the clubs.

Not only did this shift some of the expenditure from Development to the Clubs, but it also saw a cost reduction, as often the NRL was required to hire facilities separate to the Club's to facilitate these DOs.

I'm not saying that means the NRL is investing as much as it was in 2019 this year, but it's not as black & white as the limited information in the NRL annual report.

That is what I was saying, There was so much waste before

It is streamlined now and the clubs got their $5m a year over the cap to cover those costs

 

[Wb1234]

I assume you have calculated the above based upon the amount the NRL has put under the categories Development and States & Affiliates under the annual report, however the flaw in just under taking that model was it ignores the change that PVL implemented when it came to the centrally managed Game Development Officers.

Up until COVID, there was the centralised Game Development Officer program that was run nationally which included roughly 160 DOs, with over half of these based in areas with NRL clubs. During COVID, the NRL made an agreement to move these positions, in areas which were represented by the NRL teams, under the remit of the clubs.

Not only did this shift some of the expenditure from Development to the Clubs, but it also saw a cost reduction, as often the NRL was required to hire facilities separate to the Club's to facilitate these DOs.

I'm not saying that means the NRL is investing as much as it was in 2019 this year, but it's not as black & white as the limited information in the NRL annual report.

@Perth Red talking bollocks as usual

 

[Perth Red]

If you read the press releases on the relevant academies it was for more than just the elite to use.

Some clubs have always

Warriors are running an

U16's program
Harold Matthews team
SG Ball
Flegg team.

They have extra development people, Running coaching clinics etc, It is just waste for NRL to then fund their own guys to do the same stuff on the same players.

It has the same outcome.

You could add the $3m or so each club is spending on that to the $78m the NRL is directly spending.

$129m on junior development/pathways is hardly nothing spent

Again I am talking grassroots and participation, not what the 17 NRL clubs do in picking the 16 plus year old elite kids and turning them into first graders, which has always happened. Sure theyre spending more now as theyve got more, but that doesnt impact how many kids are playing the game at U8's or how many DO's there are or how many SHS programs there are, or how regional clubs are fairing with increased insurance costs etc etc

 

[Perth Red]

just pretend Las Vegas is in Perth and post accordingly

Ironically you've posted an exact example of how running one off games does nothing to make the sport more popular in a location if devoid of investment and strategy!

 

[Iamback]

Again I am talking grassroots and participation, not what the 17 NRL clubs do in picking the 16 plus year old elite kids and turning them into first graders, which has always happened. Sure theyre spending more now as theyve got more, but that doesnt impact how many kids are playing the game at U8's or how many DO's there are or how many SHS programs there are, or how regional clubs are fairing with increased insurance costs etc etc

NSW atm is trying to get people to move bad to regional from Sydney.

The population out there is dropping, Why wouldn't what is spent on sport also be dropping?

Warriors are running their program from 15.

Penrith starts at 14, that is age you want to get the kids. That is also the age they drop off ( due to work etc ) as I have tried to explain

Honestly 100% of revenue could be sent to kids and you'd still whinge

 

[RedVee]

NRL really need a US celeb to do something like this. Jason Momoa promoting the All Blacks game in San Diego this year

It would be good if they could get Dwayne Johnson.

 

[Harry O]

It would be good if they could get Dwayne Johnson.

He will charge arm and a leg

 

[Perth Red]

NSW atm is trying to get people to move bad to regional from Sydney.

The population out there is dropping, Why wouldn't what is spent on sport also be dropping?

eh?

• Regional areas grew at a faster rate than capital cities for the first time since 1993‑94. Regions grew at 0.9 per cent, only a small decline from 2019‑20 (1.0 per cent). Regional New South Wales was the only jurisdiction to increase its growth rate in 2020‑21 (from 0.8 to 1.0 per cent), recording its highest growth rate since 2009‑10

Regional Population, 2020-21 | Centre for Population

This release reveals the uneven distribution of COVID‑19 on Australia’s population. In 2020‑21, the combined capital cities population declined for the first time on record. Overall, this was driven by a large net outflow of overseas migrants from capital cities as well as increased internal...

population.gov.au