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The Mole: Trent Barrett closing in on Dragons coaching role

BLM01

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Very confused.

Has someone from the coaching staff resigned or are we merely stockpiling assistant coaches.

I have to assume Young or Hornby is looking elsewhere at present for a job.

Otherwise this is another diabolically stupid move by the Club.

How many assistants does Mary need?
How many Irish does it take to change a light bulb
 

Glenn012

Juniors
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Very confused.

Has someone from the coaching staff resigned or are we merely stockpiling assistant coaches.

I have to assume Young or Hornby is looking elsewhere at present for a job.

Otherwise this is another diabolically stupid move by the Club.

How many assistants does Mary need?
If Young or Hornby were vacating their positions, I'd very much be in favor of the move. He has been around and done an apprenticeship. Seen how lots of different systems work and should be able to take some of the good ideas and reject the ideas he doesn't like. Unlike Young, Hornby and McGregor.
 

Slippery Morris

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Baz is a good coach and Cleary got booted because Baz left. Gould was spewing as he had Baz lined up to take over from Cleary but he got tapped up by Bobby Fulton and made his worst career move ever. Manly are a basket case. For Gould to think highly of Baz he must be ok. He did some good things at the Panthers prior to him leaving.

The Manly players seemed to love him and he really backed them until they stabbed him in the back with the DCE v Hastings incident. He will be an upgrade to Hornby and Young that is for sure.
 

getsmarty

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Baz is a good coach and Cleary got booted because Baz left. Gould was spewing as he had Baz lined up to take over from Cleary but he got tapped up by Bobby Fulton and made his worst career move ever. Manly are a basket case. For Gould to think highly of Baz he must be ok. He did some good things at the Panthers prior to him leaving.

The Manly players seemed to love him and he really backed them until they stabbed him in the back with the DCE v Hastings incident. He will be an upgrade to Hornby and Young that is for sure.

Then sign him and punt McGregor....may happen if Mary fails...
 

Carrera28

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I am not a big fan of Barrett myself, however having someone of his experience and skills might add something to the coaching base in terms of specialised coaching in the halves who both are under increased pressure with Widdop out and who both have shown some signs of being affected by off field pressure.

In addition, Barrett has recent experience as part of NSW SOO team coaching staff and that gives him insight into current high level football and stress management tactics to further mentor them. In no way being disrespectful to Hornby but he doesn't have the same experience as Barrett to provide nuanced coaching and provided Barrett's attitude does not negatively impact overall team culture I can see Barrett doing good things in this area despite my personal dislike of him.

I am also not entirely comfortable with criticizing Dean Young, the guy is second generation legend who bled red and white for us, showed club loyalty, worked his guts out and dealt with major injury and rehab problems professionally. Now instead of working in one of the Family's pubs and enjoying an easy life he still puts in for the Dragons. There is a lot of criticism of the lack of loyalty in modern game, to my mind Dean Young has been loyal to us and worked hard for us and continues to work hard.

As a role model and coach for our forward packs I think he is modelling strong behavioural traits. I am not sure that he is ever going to be a head coach but as an assistant coach I am entirely comfortable with his role and he has a premiership ring which gives our juniors something to aspire to.
 

denis preston

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I am not a big fan of Barrett myself, however having someone of his experience and skills might add something to the coaching base in terms of specialised coaching in the halves who both are under increased pressure with Widdop out and who both have shown some signs of being affected by off field pressure.

In addition, Barrett has recent experience as part of NSW SOO team coaching staff and that gives him insight into current high level football and stress management tactics to further mentor them. In no way being disrespectful to Hornby but he doesn't have the same experience as Barrett to provide nuanced coaching and provided Barrett's attitude does not negatively impact overall team culture I can see Barrett doing good things in this area despite my personal dislike of him.

I am also not entirely comfortable with criticizing Dean Young, the guy is second generation legend who bled red and white for us, showed club loyalty, worked his guts out and dealt with major injury and rehab problems professionally. Now instead of working in one of the Family's pubs and enjoying an easy life he still puts in for the Dragons. There is a lot of criticism of the lack of loyalty in modern game, to my mind Dean Young has been loyal to us and worked hard for us and continues to work hard.

As a role model and coach for our forward packs I think he is modelling strong behavioural traits. I am not sure that he is ever going to be a head coach but as an assistant coach I am entirely comfortable with his role and he has a premiership ring which gives our juniors something to aspire to.

I look at Young's case in a different way. Has been on our pay role for over 20 years.Showing loyalty is another way of saying he couldn't or wouldn't get another AC job anywhere else.Working at other clubs only makes him a far better experienced AC .He can always go and get a job at the pub but why do that when the club is looking after him so well? i wonder what an assistant coach's wage is 150K ?
 

Old Kogarah Boy 1

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I am not a big fan of Barrett myself, however having someone of his experience and skills might add something to the coaching base in terms of specialised coaching in the halves who both are under increased pressure with Widdop out and who both have shown some signs of being affected by off field pressure.

In addition, Barrett has recent experience as part of NSW SOO team coaching staff and that gives him insight into current high level football and stress management tactics to further mentor them. In no way being disrespectful to Hornby but he doesn't have the same experience as Barrett to provide nuanced coaching and provided Barrett's attitude does not negatively impact overall team culture I can see Barrett doing good things in this area despite my personal dislike of him.

I am also not entirely comfortable with criticizing Dean Young, the guy is second generation legend who bled red and white for us, showed club loyalty, worked his guts out and dealt with major injury and rehab problems professionally. Now instead of working in one of the Family's pubs and enjoying an easy life he still puts in for the Dragons. There is a lot of criticism of the lack of loyalty in modern game, to my mind Dean Young has been loyal to us and worked hard for us and continues to work hard.

As a role model and coach for our forward packs I think he is modelling strong behavioural traits. I am not sure that he is ever going to be a head coach but as an assistant coach I am entirely comfortable with his role and he has a premiership ring which gives our juniors something to aspire to.

You make some good comments there C but with having so many assistants, l'd be prepared to lose Hornby & Young to gain as you say, Barretts experience.

It can only benefit Hornby & Young if they leave to gain experience elsewhere.
 
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Carrera28

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I look at Young's case in a different way. Has been on our pay role for over 20 years.Showing loyalty is another way of saying he couldn't or wouldn't get another AC job anywhere else.Working at other clubs only makes him a far better experienced AC .He can always go and get a job at the pub but why do that when the club is looking after him so well? i wonder what an assistant coach's wage is 150K ?

I guess I just note that we as fans decry players's who are not loyal and chase dollars ala Dugan and similarly criticise players who remain loyal because they are not good enough to earn else where.

The Youngs have done well out of the Dragons but as I understand it the family owns a number of pubs and neither Craig nor Dean's primary motivation is money as they would both make more money working in their own business.

We sacked Craig as coach when he didn't deliver so I doubt we have any more loyalty to Dean who has no where near his father's legacy at the club. Dean is capable of teaching discipline, hard tackling and attitude to training. Dean was highly regarded by Wayne Bennett as a leader within the team and as role model.

It just seems a long bow to draw to include a loyal servant when the issue that forums have is with club management and the current coach.

As someone who has led a mercenary career pursuing skills and promotion without concern to employer loyalty or even a particular industry I can have personally seen the benefit of accumulating technical work based skills through different work environments particularly in change management and fiscal constraint; however as a professional leader the development of less technical leadership and coaching attributes was more difficult than that of my peers who changed less frequently.

But thanks for your alternative view as it shows a different perspective.
 

Saint_JimmyG

First Grade
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Very confused.

Has someone from the coaching staff resigned or are we merely stockpiling assistant coaches.

I have to assume Young or Hornby is looking elsewhere at present for a job.

Otherwise this is another diabolically stupid move by the Club.

How many assistants does Mary need?

I miss Dicky Agar’s valued contribution from 2018.
 

Saint_JimmyG

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So the talk from a few years ago was that they couldn't sack Mary early as they couldn't afford to pay out his contract.... And now here they are seemingly flush with cash paying a bloated support staff :rolling_eyes:

One would hope that none of the current staff are getting a large stipend. Then again, we’re talking Dragons’ “management”.
 

muzby

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So it appears that Luke Phillips is with the Titans now..

There’s one assistant gone..

I’m guessing he was the fall guy for the charity shield loss..
 
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