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The myth of all myths: Tim Sheens

hybrid_tiger

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As myth is a term that gets bandied alot around here, I thought I would discuss the myth of all myths, Tim "supercoach" Sheens.

There was a thread here a few months ago that was almost 20 pages long, but I can't find it now.

Anyway, Tim Sheens is an absolute myth of a coach.

He has made the finals once in the past 12 seasons and three of his four premierships were with a team full of superstars, hardly a miraculous achievement.

His time at the Cowboys and seven out of his eight years with the Wests Tigers has shown what type of coach he is. A coach who persists with spastics like John Morris and Daniel Fitzhenry, a coach who picks players out of position, who loves buying mediocre second rowers, who has tried to manufacture a halfback for five years, and a coach who picks a winger on the bench every week and plays him for two minutes at the end of the match - the list goes on and on. Most notably he is extremely stuboorn and arrogant and refuses to admit he has made errors. Usually when he changes things it is due to force (e.g injuries) rather than him admitting his mistake.

A case in point is playing Farah at halfback this season. He did the same in 2007 and it was a complete failure - he even admitted this after it happened, and Farah himself said he didn't like it and never felt comfortable. Here we are again three years later and the stubborn old f**k rolls it out again.

This week, we have a winger playing fullback , a hooker playing halfback, and a winger/fullback and a halfback on the bench. Aren't we so blessed that the innovative supercoach can come up with these great selections.

Anyway, a "supercoach" would be able to take his team to the top 8 of a 16 team comp more than once in eight years.

I await the long line of excuses - he hasn't had the money, doesn't have the players, it's the players fault they drop the ball etc. etc. etc. and all the other bullsh*t that comes out when someone questions the great man.
 
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But the Tigers have no talent. He has no money to work with, it's the injuries. Our droped ball, poor defence. The refs, the other teams are too good, the rest of the team won't support Fitzhenry on his line breaks.
 

Fast Eddie

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Man we get it, Tigers fans don't like Sheens. THere seems to be a thread about him by Tigers fans every few weeks in here.
 

Frailty

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I can see your frustration, but until you have Ricky Stuart be quiet...

As for a couple of issues:
  • Morris - is a great player from hooker. With Farrar at the Tigers he was out of position. He is doing really well for the Sharks, and his defence is one of the strongest in the game.
  • Farrar at half - Forced into it. You have lost your number 1 half for the season, and the young kid last week didn't perform. Farrar needed a shot.
 

hybrid_tiger

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As for a couple of issues:
  • Morris - is a great player from hooker. With Farrar at the Tigers he was out of position. He is doing really well for the Sharks, and his defence is one of the strongest in the game.
  • Farrar at half - Forced into it. You have lost your number 1 half for the season, and the young kid last week didn't perform. Farrar needed a shot.

It's FARAH.

Firstly, Sheens specifically signed John Morris as a halfback. His words, not mine. He was bought to replace Scott Prince. Who's fault is that? Every man and his f**king dog knew Morris wasn't a halfback - not only did supercoach sign him to play half, he always blindly and arrogantly persisted with him in the same position for OVER TWO YEARS.

Secondly, Sheens wasn't forced into anything. Yes we have a couple of halves out injured, but it is not hard to pick PLAYERS IN THEIR CORRECT POSITIONS. We have a Toyota Cup side and TWO NSW CUP SIDES to choose players from. There is no excuse for moving Farah to half. It failed once and it will fail again.

I am a firm believer of not weakening one position to strengthen another and this is what Sheens has done yet again.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Past it, but seemingly untouchable. I think no one expects anything out f the Tigers long term than mediocrity mixed with touches of flash and maybe the odd (very odd, actually) finals appearance, so he just keeps on keeping on.

Honestly, if the Tigers don't make the 8 at the very least this year then for him to stay on would be inexcusable (if it isn't already).

Why / How does he keep getting extensions? Try something different for f**k sake.
 

Talanexor

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Two words for you: Ian Millward

In 2007 the Cowboys came within a whisker of making the grand final. And that was with their entire forward pack out injured, Bowen's knees playing up and Thurston playing with two busted shoulders. Half the team was playing on painkillers.

In 2008, when Murray left and Millward took over as head coach, we came within a whisker of getting the wooden spoon. In fact, Millward only won a single game after Murray formally left - and that was against the spooners!

This was despite having a similar player roster as 2007, and our first-choice forward pack available again.

At least Sheens has achieved something.
 

Didgi

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I can see your frustration, but until you have Ricky Stuart be quiet...


As for a couple of issues:
  • Morris - is a great player from hooker. With Farrar at the Tigers he was out of position. He is doing really well for the Sharks, and his defence is one of the strongest in the game.
  • Farrar at half - Forced into it. You have lost your number 1 half for the season, and the young kid last week didn't perform. Farrar needed a shot.

:lol::lol:!! But Ricky doesn't have the money or the players, and the Sharks keep dropping the ball. Not to mention obvious referee bias against you.

Ian Millward was worse though as Talenexor explained
 

chunk

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I'm a Tigers fan and I don't mind him too much.

Granted some of his selections are very ordinary, Fitzhenry case in point and his constant perseverence with an outside back on the bench every week.

Farah is a one week propostion, to get the job done against the chooks and wait for Lui.

He has brought stabiltiy to the club when it was a basket case and has turned the team into a very competitive one year after year.

And he won us a comp.

Trust me the majority of fans respect Sheens and his standing in the game.

The people happy with him just don't whinge about it constantly.
 
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Vic Mackey

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I can see your frustration, but until you have Ricky Stuart be quiet...


As for a couple of issues:
  • Morris - is a great player from hooker. With Farrar at the Tigers he was out of position. He is doing really well for the Sharks, and his defence is one of the strongest in the game.
  • Farrar at half - Forced into it. You have lost your number 1 half for the season, and the young kid last week didn't perform. Farrar needed a shot.

as hybrid says sheens bought john morris as a direct replacement for scott prince. he was famously quoted as saying 'im confident he can become our cooper cronk.' morris was our halfback for 2 and a half years straight. after sheens finally dropped him we won 6 straight!!

both of our premier league teams and the u/20s have been killing it, sheens effectively has 6 halves to pick from yet he picks our hooker and number one play maker.

to add to this he then picks a second rower at hooker. if farah HAS to play halfback then at least pick a specalist hooker to replace him. instead he is moving people around, something that hasn't worked in 8 years.
 

Vic Mackey

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He has brought stabiltiy to the club when it was a basket case and has turned the team into a very competitive one year after year.

And he won us a comp.

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and for those two things i will be forever gratefull for

however they were five years ago now and we havent looked like making the finals since. do you think any other club would stand for this?
 

hellteam

First Grade
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Agreed, but the Tigers we'll put on one good scrum play this week and everyone will go on about how good a coach he is.
 

851

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Agreed, but the Tigers we'll put on one good scrum play this week and everyone will go on about how good a coach he is.
You are not wrong,the pr1ck has the media wrapped around his finger,I wish him and his boyfriend Fitzy would POQ.:x
 

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