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The NRL needs a draft

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Vertigo

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I'd just like to re-print a part of an article that appeared in the Courier Mail which Hazy pointed out in another thread. It speaks of this thread topic, and much of what's stated by the coaches in question is very appropriate and correct.

Perhaps the most far-reaching is establishing a more even competition to ensure the code is strong along the eastern coast and across the Tasman. Until then, there is little use in expanding the game. North Queensland continue to struggle, Melbourne, despite their early success, have hit a downward cycle and the Northern Eagles, South Sydney and Canberra are suffering from a lack of depth in their playing ranks. Does the NRL need to offer concessions to ensure the weaker teams get stronger? THE starting point for many codes to improve the spread of talent has been a draft but Bennett, Smith and Hagan all believe it would be of little help to the NRL. "If you look at the American NFL and the AFL, they've both got a draft and yet there are still some clubs which dominate," Bennett says. "It still comes down to administration. You can do anything you want but if the club is poorly administered they'll pay the price for it. That's the major factor and it's a message all clubs should look at." Hagan says a draft would damage one of Newcastle's biggest strengths -- the ability to develop its own talent. The idea of salary cap concessions or providing financial aid to the poorer clubs was supported by Bennett. "I'm all for anything that can help with the weaker clubs. People say it is a level playing field with the salary cap, but it is not. "If we do make concessions, we've got to be fair. "If we are not seeing improvement you need to reassess it. The AFL did it for Brisbane and the Swans because they saw those areas as important for the code. "It's a great lesson for us but, on the other hand, they destroyed the West Coast by putting Fremantle in there." Smith argued that it still came back to the administration of each club. "I think initially when a club is being set up or some sort of case can be made for hardship, then yes. There's some stuff you can't legislate for, not just in coaching but in administration. "Some clubs, no matter what you do for them, won't come up with winning teams." Hagan says cycles that run through sport provide a natural order. When asked about the situation with North Queensland, who have not been competitive since entering the competition, he says: "They've gone about buying people without developing their own, and they're seven or eight years down the track. They need a strong recruitment and development policy. "If you can add value to players by improving them yourself, why should you give concessions to other clubs? "They chose to sign [Noel] Goldthorpe and others for $300,000 when you could argue there were other ways to go." The AFL example, where Sydney and Brisbane received cash concessions from the AFL to help build the important expansion areas, was not a solution, Hagan added. "Kevin Sheedy would argue strongly he's opposed to giving other teams an increased benefit. One-team towns have an advantage. "What I would like to see is some concessions for developing your own talent and rewarding loyalty. "We're going to get them for 10-year players like Robbie O'Davis and Andrew Johns, which totals $100,000, but in fairness I don't think that's a major concession."

Thanks again for bringing the article to our attention Hazy.
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"If you look at the American NFL and the AFL, they've both got a draft and yet there are still some clubs which dominate," Bennett says.
I do not agree with Wayne Bennett with this statement he made...at least to some degree. Bronco-fan-baller (unknowingly) touched on what WayneBennett said in reply 6 which I agree with him on. Without repeating what 'fan-baller said, let me just add, that the American NFL is far more competitive, and less dominated by a handfull of teams, than many peoplemay believe. I'm not sure what Bennett based his comments on, but I'd like to ask him his source.
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this is what nrl clubs should do. if they have a player they know will be talented they should lock him up to a long term contract. this way if another club wants that player they will have to deal with his club first. there are no draft picks on offer so some sort of monetary fee could be worked out. a transfer fee if you wish, similar to the european soccer clubs.

now this relies on alot of money being available to be thrown around and i'm not sure that is the case. but it is one way the poorer clubs can kickstart their recovery, a shitload of money for their one great player may let them buy three or four other players that can give them more value. if souths and wests did this in the 70s and 80s they would probably be two of the stronger clubs now.

This may seem alright from an Australian perspective, but the situation outlined would lead to what are known in English soccer as certain smaller clubs becoming selling clubs. Burnley were a great example of a oncesuccessfull smalltown club who until the dawn of the minimum wage could compete with bigger city teams. By the end of the 1960's, they had become a selling club who's chances of major silverware had largely diminished.

That lot of money being thrown about would invariable come from those bigger richer clubs throwing most of the money about and ultimately lead to the bigger clubs dominating the game to an even greater degree.

The imbalance between big city teams and their smaller cityopponents is even greater in countries like Spain, Italy and Germany.

If you want a stronger more even competition, then the last thing the NRL needs is to mimic European soccer.


 

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Assuming that it only affects players coming off contract, I can't see anything wrong with a draft.
It still comes down to the club's ability to produce players and attract the best coaching and training staff.
Without a doubt, any draft would only further enhance the competition.
Perhaps the NRL should consider a suitable model which incorporates the salary cap and give it all a set trial.

 
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It quite possibly would be in the interests of the game if such a system could be introduced, but I just can't see it happening. The whole concept has a stigma attached to it in League circles, and players are unlikely to be convinced (for the same reasons we have all expressed before).

I would prefer instead a more encompassing salary cap (as has already been mentioned). While I accept that no player (or anyone for that matter) wants their incomemadepublic, surely a confidential system of reporting to the League's controling body could be arranged so thatplayer's earnings couldbe examined more closely for irregularities.

So too could measure's be introduced to level out the 'advantages' and 'disadvantages' that exist between clubs ie.the clubs location, the generalcost of living etc. As wellincentives should be introduced forproducing local talent,and providediscounts for long serving players.

The system we have now of simply requiring 25 players to fit under $3.25 Million is simplistic at best.

On another vein, it is time for Clubs to be more responsible for nurturing the area's that provide them with their goods. There is something very wrong when clubs can simply "skim the cream off the top", i.e. throw hundreds of thousands of dollars to players and yet show scant regard for the junior country clubs that produced them. Perhaps if more clubs invested in this area the problem of dispersement of talent would not arise.
 
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Hagan says a draft would damage one of Newcastle's biggest strengths -- the ability to develop its own talent.
..and that is the reason why you won't see the salary cap backed by many coaches and admins. Newcastle is not the only club with a solid junior player base, all though they are probably the strongest. Many clubs have excellent youngsters comming up through the playing fields, and none want to see those talents lost to the 'laws' of the draft system. In particluar after the club has spent so much time developing these youngsters.
I really don't see too many 'red tape' with the draft system. It's pretty basic and self explainatory. Because of that, clubs will be unable to 'rort' the system and hence lose their talents. That is why it won't get the green light with the coaching staff and managerial side of clubs.
Whilst Mystery Man has written a peice worthy of framming, and it sounds and looks impressive on the surface, many others (coaches, admins etc:) will pick faults with it and turn a blind eye.
It definitely is worth a shot though..
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I have to be honest, I cant see any drawbacks in a draft system provided that it is internal only. It should not apply to players in their first year of NRL. This means that clubs will need to still work hard to identify junior talent. I know the draft was challenged in the courts but it shouldnt be a problem now that most wages have almost doubled.
 
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I have to be honest, I cant see any drawbacks in a draft system provided that it is internal only. - bender

What exactly do you mean bender, when you state "internal only" ? Does the next sentence you typed in your post explain it? Or is there more to it?

I think both the positives and "drawbacks" of a draft have been addressed and well outlined here in this thread. I find it difficult tocomprehend how you can claim to not be able to see its drawbacks ("provided it is internal only")... :)
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Most of the threads relating to drafts (not so much this one)discuss the need for an external draft. This means that it applies to juniors and players who have not previously been contracted to an NRL club but does not apply to players who are contracted. The theory is that each club gets a fair share of the young talent coming through but there is no effect on the in demand experienced players eg Fittler, Johns, Lockyer.

IMO, this is no good. I believe the opposite would be a better scenario. A player can choose which club he plays for but once he is a contracted NRL player, if he wants to change clubs he must do so through the draft. THe advantage of this system is that a club such as Newcastle can still produce promising juniors and not be penalised. I also believe that the drafting of experienced players would be of more benefit to a club than a promising crop of rookies. NQ are the prime examples why do they need another first class rookie whent hey already have plenty. If, however, Gordon Tallis or Shane Webcke decided to sever ties with the broncos then he could make a real difference to the cowboys.


 
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Thats a good idea bender.
You also get the benefit that if say the Cowboys develop the next superstar, a club like the Broncos can't just grab him.
He'll have to take his chance on the draft and could end up anywhere.
It might be theincentive he needs to stay with the club that developed him.
 
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Thanks for the clarrification bender. I also like the idea.
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