The Return of Gasnier?

[badav]

Its convenient that Lockyer speaks out now, when, in an amazing coincidence, Brisbane have room under the cap.

Wow it must have taken some really hard thinking to come up with that conclusion.

I bet we will now be seeing Gasnier running out in Maroon and Yellow next year don't you think.

 

[saint_marto88]

He's a done deal at Saints. I'm not surprised you lot are whinging about it. To be honest it just adds to my happiness that Gasnier is coming back.

 

[hellteam]

Wow it must have taken some really hard thinking to come up with that conclusion.

I bet we will now be seeing Gasnier running out in Maroon and Yellow next year don't you think.

No f*ckin way!

 

[_Johnsy]

Didnt expect much better from you but he was actually a real estate agent (not to mention in his early 30's) when he came back.

He was never a professional, and was a fill in.

And i dont remember the bit where he was backended on a million dollar contract either after playing 1 year outside the top 25.

But as i said, i didn't expect much from you.

But anyway, all this salary cap talk is getting away from the real issue. Gasnier or not i don't think anybody expects anything from the Dragons in this years final series. I mean they showed us how ready they were for finals football with their valiant efforts last year.

yeah he was a professional footballer, point is he signed for next to nothing.

If gasnier's contract is the reported 50k in year 1, it is fair to assume that he will recoup the "loss of income" in the subsequent years. StGeorge Illawarra will have to shed some players, to afford to pay him overs in years 2 & 3, we gain this year but we have to balance the books in years 2 & 3, essentially suffer the consequences in the last 2 years.

It evens out, quite a simple concept. Stop your whingeing.

What is the real issue ?

 

[perverse]

Newcastle trying to tempt Mark Gasnier with offer in excess of $200 000

Br Barry Toohey
May 16, 2010
His first priority may be a return to St George Illawarra but Newcastle Knights are poised to muddy the waters for rugby league's prodigal son Mark Gasnier.
Since news broke of Gasnier's imminent return to the code, it has been assumed he would rejoin the Dragons. That may still be the case.

But the Knights are set to weigh in with an offer this week that might at least make things interesting.

Knights boss Steve Burraston confirmed yesterday the club will be "going all out" to lure Gasnier on a two- or three-year deal as negotiations with St George Illawarra drag on.

Unlike the Dragons, who can only offer a second-tier $50,000 deal plus match payments for the rest of this season, Newcastle have considerable room to move under the salary cap.

It is understood the Knights will tempt the former Kangaroos centre with an offer in excess of $200,000 for the rest of this season because of their strong salary cap position following the loss of forwards Chris Houston and Danny Wicks amid drug allegations.

With as many as eight top-grade players off contract at the end of the season, the club has the financial clout to more than match anything the Dragons come up with over the next two or three seasons.

It is believed they could have as much as $800,000 freed up for 2011 depending on who they re-sign.

"I've already had a couple of conversations with his manager (George Mimis) and we'll be tabling an offer to him by the middle of next week," Burraston said.

"We are very serious. Mark is the sort of marquee signing we want and I'd like to think he would see Newcastle as a great place to re-establish himself."

"I haven't spoken directly to Mark and you never really know with these sorts of things but, from what his manager has said, Mark is interested."

Burraston said he is aware of the clause in the early release Gasnier signed with the Dragons preventing him playing with another NRL club before 2012.

"That will obviously be a factor in any negotiations with Mark," he said.

"But the Dragons have to be in a financial position to make him a realistic offer to return and at the moment, I'm not sure whether their current offer is acceptable to him.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27129326-5018866,00.html

i find the bottom part of this article interesting. turns out there are stipulations in the clause in gasniers contract. such a superstar that his clauses have clauses.

ill tell ya what, the knights should give gaz a tape of Uate's highlight reel for this year. Gasnier inside Uate could be quite a potent force in the coming years...

 

[dclayw]

But anyway, all this salary cap talk is getting away from the real issue. Gasnier or not i don't think anybody expects anything from the Dragons in this years final series. I mean they showed us how ready they were for finals football with their valiant efforts last year.

Well, we all new you real agenda anyway, but then you came straight out and said it and gave yourself away. Oh dear..........

 

[Danish]

If gas wants to get paid $50k this year then $400k next year that's his business, he shouldn't have to be paid the same amount each year of his contract.

Hopefully gas has learnt a thing or 2 about respecting club and personal sponsors though, that's all I'll say

 

[Willow]

i find the bottom part of this article interesting. turns out there are stipulations in the clause in gasniers contract. such a superstar that his clauses have clauses.

I only saw one clause mentioned.

Burraston said he is aware of the clause in the early release Gasnier signed with the Dragons preventing him playing with another NRL club before 2012.

"That will obviously be a factor in any negotiations with Mark," he said.

"But the Dragons have to be in a financial position to make him a realistic offer to return and at the moment, I'm not sure whether their current offer is acceptable to him."

If Gasnier goes to Newcastle, it'll only happen after Saints agree to it.

 

[perverse]

I only saw one clause mentioned.

Burraston said he is aware of the clause in the early release Gasnier signed with the Dragons preventing him playing with another NRL club before 2012.

"That will obviously be a factor in any negotiations with Mark," he said.

"But the Dragons have to be in a financial position to make him a realistic offer to return and at the moment, I'm not sure whether their current offer is acceptable to him."

If Gasnier goes to Newcastle, it'll only happen after Saints agree to it.

there's a BUT at the end of all of that. i do think gaz is odds-on to return to the dragons, however i don't think dragons fans realise that he hasn't signed anything yet... and that there are other interested (and cashed-up) parties.

honestly, let's say the dragons can't offer him any more than has been reported, and he is able to get a much bigger pay packet elsewhere. if the dragons exercise this clause that dragons fans are so sure of at the moment, and refuse to allow him to play elsewhere in the NRL... do you think gaz will just tow the line and sign for the dragons? there are other sports circling, too... and if anything i would think the dragons playing that sort of hard ball has the potential to disillusion or aggrevate him into turning his back on the NRL.

it's not over until the chin puts ink on paper.

 

[Willow]

there's a BUT at the end of all of that.

That's not a clause. You suggested that there was an extra, extra clause. I assume you know what a clause is.

i do think gaz is odds-on to return to the dragons, however i don't think dragons fans realise that he hasn't signed anything yet...

I'd say Dragons fans are very much aware of this.

and that there are other interested (and cashed-up) parties.

Ditto. Very much aware. The cries of "it's all so unfair... we want him...!" are echoing all over.

honestly, let's say the dragons can't offer him any more than has been reported, and he is able to get a much bigger pay packet elsewhere. if the dragons exercise this clause that dragons fans are so sure of at the moment, and refuse to allow him to play elsewhere in the NRL... do you think gaz will just tow the line and sign for the dragons? there are other sports circling, too... and if anything i would think the dragons playing that sort of hard ball has the potential to disillusion or aggrevate him into turning his back on the NRL.

it's not over until the chin puts ink on paper.

A lot of ifs, and guesswork. You sound a tad desperate to get him yourself... honestly.

 

[_Johnsy]

Bottom line is he only wants to play for opne club, rumour has it J Smith is off to the UK & this will free up gaz's $$$

 

[Big Pete]

I for one, am happy to see Gasnier return to a club like St. George.

To me, it's the logical choice and seeing Mark in the Red V again will be a very welcome sign.

I don't know why people are complaining especially when other former Internationals in Mason and Bird were signed for bugger all.

 

[_Johnsy]

Because its StGeorge Pete. no other reason.

 

[perverse]

A lot of ifs, and guesswork. You sound a tad desperate to get him yourself... honestly.

no if's or guesswork from my corner, and of course i'm desperate to have a player like that at my club... look at how we're travelling. that's nothing i'm trying to hide or am ashamed of. that doesn't change the fact that none of it is a done deal yet.

there have been no complaints about anything being unfair from me, so no real need for any of that (it's pretty ridiculous, anyway). i just think that dragons fans are going off early... and am trying to point out that there are other good offers (which Gaz is considering) on the table, and we should all wait until he actually signs somewhere before going off with any of this.

for the record i think it would be great for saints fans if one of their home grown heroes does return home. i wish them and him all the best if that is what happens. i can be quoted saying things similar to this effect in other threads related to the topic. that doesn't mean it's a done deal, and it doesnt mean i don't want my club to get a good crack at him either.

 

[Evenflow]

Hopefully gas has learnt a thing or 2 about respecting club and personal sponsors though, that's all I'll say

Once a scumbag money hungry grub always a scumbag money hungry grub. The only thing he respects is his bank account.

 

[Canard]

I for one, am happy to see Gasnier return to a club like St. George.

To me, it's the logical choice and seeing Mark in the Red V again will be a very welcome sign.

I don't know why people are complaining especially when other former Internationals in Mason and Bird were signed for bugger all.

Mason's on more money than about 75% of the NRL (around 300K at least) its just that the Cowboys aren't paying all of it)

 

[Big Pete]

Canard man, you should become a teacher, I'm learning a lot of you.

Cheers mate, but the point about Bird still stands.

 

[Willow]

no if's or guesswork from my corner,

Of course you are. You just drew a series of possible scenarios.

and of course i'm desperate to have a player like that at my club... look at how we're travelling. that's nothing i'm trying to hide or am ashamed of.

Well sorry, but can't help you there.

that doesn't change the fact that none of it is a done deal yet.

That's right. I'm glad that you're not making any guesswork on the outcome though. lol

there have been no complaints about anything being unfair from me, so no real need for any of that (it's pretty ridiculous, anyway). i just think that dragons fans are going off early... and am trying to point out that there are other good offers (which Gaz is considering) on the table, and we should all wait until he actually signs somewhere before going off with any of this.

Not sure why you're telling me this. I pretty sure the vast majority know he hasn't signed yet. He has other options such as rugby union.

The facts are that he has a clause which says he can't play for another NRL club before 2012 unless Saints agree.

You seem to think there's some other get out clause lurking underneath.

for the record i think it would be great for saints fans if one of their home grown heroes does return home. i wish them and him all the best if that is what happens. i can be quoted saying things similar to this effect in other threads related to the topic.

Very nice. Jolly good. Hear, hear.

that doesn't mean it's a done deal, and it doesnt mean i don't want my club to get a good crack at him either.

As you said.

 

[Moffo]

meh...i don't think he'll make much difference to that team. they would be better off spending the money in their halves

 

[BroncoGordie]

Yep there halves suck