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since77

Juniors
Messages
2,490
"inappropriately touched"

This stuff is out of control IMO it can mean hand on the buttocks an unwanted kiss to say the back of the neck can lead to a charge of indecent assault. If I was a young man of 20 I would be petrified today.
Wow. Maybe just don’t touch if you don’t have permission to touch and the problem is solved. Maybe I’m unusual but I was never petrified of being charged by a girl for inappropriate touching when I was in my 20’s. Maybe because didn’t I behave like a meat headed thug?
 

Old Timer

Coach
Messages
18,041
"inappropriately touched"

This stuff is out of control IMO it can mean hand on the buttocks an unwanted kiss to say the back of the neck can lead to a charge of indecent assault. If I was a young man of 20 I would be petrified today.
Your post unfortunately implies that somehow it's the girls fault because she decided to object about unwanted / unsolicited attention or perhaps that they make false allegations for the hell of it.

Perps are perps and need to be dealt with and for women against men the only way to do that is by using the law to enforce it and yet still today some men want to do things they are not entitled to do.

Would you be happy with some gay guy planting a big kiss on your lips or grabbing you on the balls for a bit of a fondle or perhaps they punch you in the face or someone spits on you is that all ok too?

Little people have been bullied by big people for ever and a day so do they have to just cop it sweet or should they seek redress by other means?

No one has anything to fear if they keep their hands to themselves and show some respect for others.
 

saintmar

Juniors
Messages
1,085
"inappropriately touched"

This stuff is out of control IMO it can mean hand on the buttocks an unwanted kiss to say the back of the neck can lead to a charge of indecent assault. If I was a young man of 20 I would be petrified today.
Yep these days the rules of social engagement are as unclear as the rules of the game and the judiciary charges.

These young kids are all at sea both on and off the field.

Where is the little doer these days?

"Just tell them the rules Son just tell them the rules"
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
Messages
110,088
"inappropriately touched"

This stuff is out of control IMO it can mean hand on the buttocks an unwanted kiss to say the back of the neck can lead to a charge of indecent assault. If I was a young man of 20 I would be petrified today.
It wasn't wasn't OK back in the day, it's not OK now. And women have every right to tell creepy blokes to shove off.

Anyway, in this particular case we don't know what actually occurred. Robati has reportedly been charged with sexual assault - a serious matter. The legal process must run it's course so best not to venture into speculation.

 

redandwhite4evr

Juniors
Messages
1,933
This isn't strictly speaking a rumour but I can't find it confirmed on the club website. Apparently, we have pinched a budding 18yo Waratah centre, Savelio Tamale, whom Buzz Lightyear anointed in his DT column yesterday as one of the two most exciting young NRL talents to watch for in 2023. Maybe something to bring a smile to the dial at last. Usually, these sorts of rare talents are snapped up by the Roosters, Souths or Manly.
 

Dragon David

First Grade
Messages
9,334
This isn't strictly speaking a rumour but I can't find it confirmed on the club website. Apparently, we have pinched a budding 18yo Waratah centre, Savelio Tamale, whom Buzz Lightyear anointed in his DT column yesterday as one of the two most exciting young NRL talents to watch for in 2023. Maybe something to bring a smile to the dial at last. Usually, these sorts of rare talents are snapped up by the Roosters, Souths or Manly.
Looks OK
 

Jeremy Dragon

Juniors
Messages
1,333
This isn't strictly speaking a rumour but I can't find it confirmed on the club website. Apparently, we have pinched a budding 18yo Waratah centre, Savelio Tamale, whom Buzz Lightyear anointed in his DT column yesterday as one of the two most exciting young NRL talents to watch for in 2023. Maybe something to bring a smile to the dial at last. Usually, these sorts of rare talents are snapped up by the Roosters, Souths or Manly.
He is part of our Train and trail squad
 

offiah

Juniors
Messages
390

The ticking time bomb that could define Dragons’ season​

Paul Crawley
Are St George Illawarra a club in free-fall, or blessed with a huge junior nursery that is perfectly placed to rebound from a dismal 2022 campaign?
The Dragons missed the finals again last year and are considered outsiders to reverse that trend in 2023, but there are reasons for optimism among one of the NRL’s most passionate fanbases.
Here’s everything you need to know about the Dragons in our exclusive club-by-club deep dive series ahead of the 2023 campaign.
2022 RICH 100 REPS: 10
Ben Hunt (3, $1.1m), Moses Mbye (14, $900k), Jack de Belin (32 ($750k), 49 Zac Lomax (49, $700k), Tariq Sims (64, $650k), Jaydn Su’A (76, $600k), Jack Bird (79, $550k), Moses Suli (88, $550k), Josh McGuire (99, $500k), Francis Molo (101, $500k)
FREE AGENCY WRAP & RATING
Yet again the Dragons have failed to inspire on the recruitment front. Former Tiger Jacob Liddle will add some much needed spark out of dummy half. Journeyman Zane Musgrove arrives with his career at the crossroads, while they have also added Tongan international prop Ben Murdoch-Masila from the Warriors and young front-rower Nick Lui-Toso who is from the Northern Pride and is in his mid-20s and searching for opportunity.
But it’s the departure lounge where Dragons fans have every right to be feeling a little short-changed given the conga line of players brought to the club - most on Anthony Griffin’s watch - who have now been ushered out without any setting the world on fire during their stay.
There’s no question the Dragons have some wonderful juniors and that is obviously what they’re banking on. But are they ready to carry a club that has not made the finals since 2018 back into the play-offs in 2023, time will tell.
Rating: D
COACH STATUS AND SAFETY RATING: Anthony Griffin (2023)
It didn’t exactly fill anyone with confidence when skipper Ben Hunt, who is one of Anthony Griffin’s key allies, came out and said if the team doesn’t start fast in 2023 then the coach will be gone.
Add to that widespread reports that the club’s hierarchy only convinced young guns Jayden Sullivan and Tyrell Sloan to stick around on the proviso Griffin wouldn’t be in charge beyond 2023, and this has the makings of a ticking time bomb that could go off at any stage.
In Griffin’s two seasons at the Dragons they are yet to make the finals, although his overall win/loss record in that period isn’t exactly horrible at 41.6 per cent (20 wins/28 losses).
The bigger concern is the constant chatter about player unrest. George Burgess and Jack Gosiewski didn’t help ease the tension when they gave the coach a spray on their way out the door.
Of course it was also highlighted by the fact only three NRL players turned up at the presentation night, an absolute embarrassment for one of rugby league’s most iconic brands.
Rating: D
LIKELY DEBUTANTS

Talented brothers Haele and Sione Finau arrive after developing in the Storm system and both will be pushing to be a part of the top squad.
Haele is a hooker on a train-and-trial contract while younger brother Sione is on the development list and plays in the outside backs.
With Andrew McCullough gone, Jacob Liddle is the obvious leading contender for the No.9 jumper. But they reckon Haele has been super impressive during the preseason, while Sione is said to be very talented but up against some stiff opposition with so many exciting outside backs already at the Dragons.
Another young dummy-half looking for a shot is Connor Muhleisen who has come through the Dragons system and is also on a development contract. While he is yet to officially debut he got a crack in a trial last season and looked more than capable.
The other two to keep an eye out for are young props Joshua Coric, who probably would have got his debut in 2022 if not for injury, while new recruit Nick Lui-Toso was obviously brought to the club for a reason.
WHO TAKES THE NEXT STEP?
Let’s put it this way, if Tyrell Sloan doesn’t have a big 2023 then neither will the Dragons. Most of the good judges have been saying for some time Sloan is a superstar in the making, but the burning question is does coach Griffin rank him above Cody Ramsey?
Complicating matters is revelations Ramsey spent weeks in hospital during preseason training in late 2022 battling an illness called ulcerative colitis, which causes inflammation and ulcers on the bowel and digestive tract that may require surgery and long-term treatment.
The fact Wayne Bennett was doing all he could to get Sloan to the Dolphins tells you all you need to know about his potential.
But for some reason Sloan was left out in the cold for the majority of 2022, and in the end the only reason he didn’t follow Bennett to the Dolphins was because the club wouldn’t give him a release.
There’s no question he has some defensive deficiencies but you just can’t ignore Sloan looks to be one of those special players that you can build a club around if you keep him happy.
Whatever was going on between him and the coach this past season needs to be resolved otherwise Sloan will only end up chasing another release come November 1 when he officially becomes a free agent.
And don’t worry, that is already being spoken about.
THE THREE BURNING ISSUES
Will Griffin survive?
The Dragons board and senior executive have put their own heads on the chopping block by not making the tough call with Griffin during the off-season.
We saw last year when Wests Tigers gave Michael Maguire a stay of execution over the summer how it ultimately blew up in their faces when they ended up sacking him mid-season but it was too late to save them, with the club finishing with the wooden spoon.
On the surface the Dragons appear to be in a very similar predicament, and if it turns to mud some very senior people are entitled to be put under the microscope by the fans.
Will Zac Lomax ever realise his true potential?
It’s become a bit of running gag around the game how everyone always goes back to Freddy Fittler spruiking Zac Lomax as “the gifted one”.
The fact is Lomax is now 23 and it’s about time he delivered on that enormous potential, or otherwise he could wake up one day and wonder what the hell happened.
At his best Lomax is State of Origin standard, but he needs to get the mug tactics out of his game first; like that silly incident last season when he tried to get under Tyson Frizell’s skin and it backfired on him badly.
What we’d all love to see is Lomax come back in 2023 and cut the crap out of his game, just concentrate on being the best footballer he can be. You know what Freddy said is right, but only Lomax can deliver on the promise.
Do they have enough experience in the spine?
So much will still depend on Ben Hunt. The veteran halfback had a fabulous year in 2022 and he’ll need to do that next season for the Dragons to have any hope of challenging to top teams.
With either Ramsey or Sloan at fullback, Tautau Amone at five-eighth, and Jacob Liddle the dummy half, on paper it doesn’t look like they have the big guns in the most crucial positions to match the genuine heavyweights just yet.
Still, this is a side that has a stack of players who could easily come out and shock us all by going to the next level in the next year or two.
So if the Dragons can sort out their off-field issues they could be one still end up being one of the real surprise packets in 2023.
Though it could just as easily go pear-shaped if the unrest lingers.
CRYSTAL BALL
The fact they have so much talent on the way up suggests the Dragons are a side that should not be counted out heading into the new year.
It certainly wouldn’t surprise to see them jag a spot in the bottom half of the eight, and if they don’t then they’ve probably under-achieved.
But in saying that there’s still no denying this squad’s best football is probably a couple of years away when you factor in age and experience of some of this young talent.
FINISH THE LAST FIVE YEARS
2022: 10th
2021: 11th
2020: 12th
2019: 15th
2018: 7th
2023 ODDS
Premiership: $41
Minor premiership: $81
To make grand final: $19
Top four: $12
Top eight: $3.75
Most losses: $8
 

brissiedragon

Juniors
Messages
420
My conspiracy theory.
Given that last year there were a couple of moments that were strained between Hook and some of the players, what chance that our performances early in this season are deliberately less than favourable with a view to accelerate Hooks demise?
And Mbye on 900K. What a joke. Our recruitment dept. should be sacked.
 

BLM01

First Grade
Messages
9,983

The ticking time bomb that could define Dragons’ season​

Paul Crawley
Are St George Illawarra a club in free-fall, or blessed with a huge junior nursery that is perfectly placed to rebound from a dismal 2022 campaign?
The Dragons missed the finals again last year and are considered outsiders to reverse that trend in 2023, but there are reasons for optimism among one of the NRL’s most passionate fanbases.
Here’s everything you need to know about the Dragons in our exclusive club-by-club deep dive series ahead of the 2023 campaign.
2022 RICH 100 REPS: 10
Ben Hunt (3, $1.1m), Moses Mbye (14, $900k), Jack de Belin (32 ($750k), 49 Zac Lomax (49, $700k), Tariq Sims (64, $650k), Jaydn Su’A (76, $600k), Jack Bird (79, $550k), Moses Suli (88, $550k), Josh McGuire (99, $500k), Francis Molo (101, $500k)
FREE AGENCY WRAP & RATING
Yet again the Dragons have failed to inspire on the recruitment front. Former Tiger Jacob Liddle will add some much needed spark out of dummy half. Journeyman Zane Musgrove arrives with his career at the crossroads, while they have also added Tongan international prop Ben Murdoch-Masila from the Warriors and young front-rower Nick Lui-Toso who is from the Northern Pride and is in his mid-20s and searching for opportunity.
But it’s the departure lounge where Dragons fans have every right to be feeling a little short-changed given the conga line of players brought to the club - most on Anthony Griffin’s watch - who have now been ushered out without any setting the world on fire during their stay.
There’s no question the Dragons have some wonderful juniors and that is obviously what they’re banking on. But are they ready to carry a club that has not made the finals since 2018 back into the play-offs in 2023, time will tell.
Rating: D
COACH STATUS AND SAFETY RATING: Anthony Griffin (2023)
It didn’t exactly fill anyone with confidence when skipper Ben Hunt, who is one of Anthony Griffin’s key allies, came out and said if the team doesn’t start fast in 2023 then the coach will be gone.
Add to that widespread reports that the club’s hierarchy only convinced young guns Jayden Sullivan and Tyrell Sloan to stick around on the proviso Griffin wouldn’t be in charge beyond 2023, and this has the makings of a ticking time bomb that could go off at any stage.
In Griffin’s two seasons at the Dragons they are yet to make the finals, although his overall win/loss record in that period isn’t exactly horrible at 41.6 per cent (20 wins/28 losses).
The bigger concern is the constant chatter about player unrest. George Burgess and Jack Gosiewski didn’t help ease the tension when they gave the coach a spray on their way out the door.
Of course it was also highlighted by the fact only three NRL players turned up at the presentation night, an absolute embarrassment for one of rugby league’s most iconic brands.
Rating: D
LIKELY DEBUTANTS

Talented brothers Haele and Sione Finau arrive after developing in the Storm system and both will be pushing to be a part of the top squad.
Haele is a hooker on a train-and-trial contract while younger brother Sione is on the development list and plays in the outside backs.
With Andrew McCullough gone, Jacob Liddle is the obvious leading contender for the No.9 jumper. But they reckon Haele has been super impressive during the preseason, while Sione is said to be very talented but up against some stiff opposition with so many exciting outside backs already at the Dragons.
Another young dummy-half looking for a shot is Connor Muhleisen who has come through the Dragons system and is also on a development contract. While he is yet to officially debut he got a crack in a trial last season and looked more than capable.
The other two to keep an eye out for are young props Joshua Coric, who probably would have got his debut in 2022 if not for injury, while new recruit Nick Lui-Toso was obviously brought to the club for a reason.
WHO TAKES THE NEXT STEP?
Let’s put it this way, if Tyrell Sloan doesn’t have a big 2023 then neither will the Dragons. Most of the good judges have been saying for some time Sloan is a superstar in the making, but the burning question is does coach Griffin rank him above Cody Ramsey?
Complicating matters is revelations Ramsey spent weeks in hospital during preseason training in late 2022 battling an illness called ulcerative colitis, which causes inflammation and ulcers on the bowel and digestive tract that may require surgery and long-term treatment.
The fact Wayne Bennett was doing all he could to get Sloan to the Dolphins tells you all you need to know about his potential.
But for some reason Sloan was left out in the cold for the majority of 2022, and in the end the only reason he didn’t follow Bennett to the Dolphins was because the club wouldn’t give him a release.
There’s no question he has some defensive deficiencies but you just can’t ignore Sloan looks to be one of those special players that you can build a club around if you keep him happy.
Whatever was going on between him and the coach this past season needs to be resolved otherwise Sloan will only end up chasing another release come November 1 when he officially becomes a free agent.
And don’t worry, that is already being spoken about.
THE THREE BURNING ISSUES
Will Griffin survive?
The Dragons board and senior executive have put their own heads on the chopping block by not making the tough call with Griffin during the off-season.
We saw last year when Wests Tigers gave Michael Maguire a stay of execution over the summer how it ultimately blew up in their faces when they ended up sacking him mid-season but it was too late to save them, with the club finishing with the wooden spoon.
On the surface the Dragons appear to be in a very similar predicament, and if it turns to mud some very senior people are entitled to be put under the microscope by the fans.
Will Zac Lomax ever realise his true potential?
It’s become a bit of running gag around the game how everyone always goes back to Freddy Fittler spruiking Zac Lomax as “the gifted one”.
The fact is Lomax is now 23 and it’s about time he delivered on that enormous potential, or otherwise he could wake up one day and wonder what the hell happened.
At his best Lomax is State of Origin standard, but he needs to get the mug tactics out of his game first; like that silly incident last season when he tried to get under Tyson Frizell’s skin and it backfired on him badly.
What we’d all love to see is Lomax come back in 2023 and cut the crap out of his game, just concentrate on being the best footballer he can be. You know what Freddy said is right, but only Lomax can deliver on the promise.
Do they have enough experience in the spine?
So much will still depend on Ben Hunt. The veteran halfback had a fabulous year in 2022 and he’ll need to do that next season for the Dragons to have any hope of challenging to top teams.
With either Ramsey or Sloan at fullback, Tautau Amone at five-eighth, and Jacob Liddle the dummy half, on paper it doesn’t look like they have the big guns in the most crucial positions to match the genuine heavyweights just yet.
Still, this is a side that has a stack of players who could easily come out and shock us all by going to the next level in the next year or two.
So if the Dragons can sort out their off-field issues they could be one still end up being one of the real surprise packets in 2023.
Though it could just as easily go pear-shaped if the unrest lingers.
CRYSTAL BALL
The fact they have so much talent on the way up suggests the Dragons are a side that should not be counted out heading into the new year.
It certainly wouldn’t surprise to see them jag a spot in the bottom half of the eight, and if they don’t then they’ve probably under-achieved.
But in saying that there’s still no denying this squad’s best football is probably a couple of years away when you factor in age and experience of some of this young talent.
FINISH THE LAST FIVE YEARS
2022: 10th
2021: 11th
2020: 12th
2019: 15th
2018: 7th
2023 ODDS
Premiership: $41
Minor premiership: $81
To make grand final: $19
Top four: $12
Top eight: $3.75
Most losses: $8
That is like reading our in depth analysis and report card past 10 years. Although the young talent brought in / emerging is a vast improvement that has taken this long.
 
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