The Swamp

[Delboy]

The only place you get value from recruitment is in pathways. Are we recruiting quality youngsters or not?

Why do you ask questions when you know that we have recruited heavily into the juniors.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why do you ask questions when you know that we have recruited heavily into the juniors.

Because you keep banging on about our recruitment being poor. If we are recruiting well into the pathways then we are recruiting well.

Recruitment into the top 17 is just a matter of spending enough money. Everyone knows who the best players are. Bringing them to your club depends on whether you can win a bidding war, or whether you even need to.

 

[Delboy]

You argumentative tosser, if you bothered to read any posts other thtan those you want to start a back and forth on, You may understand that I have complimented the job done by DeGois and Shepard in outside recruitment for the junior rep programs. There are players from country, QLD, Nz and other clubs all recruited into the Eels system.

Not only have we done well across all junior comps over the past 3/4 years we still have young players eligible for Ball and Flegg playing Sydney Shield etc to retain them as they mature to gain experience.

Saying things like everyone knows etc doesn’t mean you actually know much at all other than going round and round from a distance and looking at stats and similar.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Saying things like 'everyone knows' just means if us fans can see it, then even the worst full time member of an NRL recruitment staff can see it. Being aware of this stuff is their job. The "next Fittler/Johns/Lockyer/etc" might only be 12 years old and I assure you every club in the NRL is already tracking him. Every SG Ball star, every 20 year old currently holding his own in reserve grade, every 'maybe' with half a dozen NRL games under his belt, has already been on everyone's radar since he was playing Harold Matts, if not earlier.

Knowing the best players isn't how the better recruitment/retention staff members are differentiated from the rest. What separates them is knowing how much they are worth, and how to avoid overpaying them.

 

[the phantom menace]

 

[Gary Gutful]

Pou making sense again. Delboy gibbering.

 

[the phantom menace]

As long as they continue to do it in here, we can all be thankful!

 

[Tiger5150]

Gee it almost sounds like Souths had to request the NRL make a determination on an iffy case. It’s not like Burgess had shoulder problems multiple contracts before his last one. Otherwise there’d be no way the NRL would remove his salary from South cap

Mate, can you read? Its almost like the article explained the rule and why Souffs had to prove it was a new injury within the current Contract.

 

[Tiger5150]

You have been saying that Matto can't be medically retired from a concussion that happened in his new contract due to a concussion that happened Prior to this current contract...

In response to merkins here arguing that he should get a medical retirement because of the Kaufusi tackle. So which is it?

Which we all know is never going to be prevented and so do you but have decided that due to your love for ex tiger players it's your mission to look like a goose to try to get a W..

Mate Im a Tigers fan, I get all the W's i need, I dont need to come here for them.

You keep on trying to compare a concussion to a foot injury. Both are not the same.

If its ongoing, "from the Kaufusi tackle", its exactly the same.

 

[JokerEel]

In response to merkins here arguing that he should get a medical retirement because of the Kaufusi tackle. So which is it?


Mate Im a Tigers fan, I get all the W's i need, I dont need to come here for them.
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If its ongoing, "from the Kaufusi tackle", its exactly the same.

Fairly sure getting 3 spoons in a row isn't a W

But like I said a concussion and a foot injury isn't same same. But you know that.

 

[84 Baby]

Mate, can you read? Its almost like the article explained the rule and why Souffs had to prove it was a new injury within the current Contract.

No chance that could ever happen again

 

[Tiger5150]

I now know how Pou feels, you merkins are uneducatable!

 

[Tiger5150]

Fairly sure getting 3 spoons in a row isn't a W

Every game against Parra or Souffs is a GF.

But like I said a concussion and a foot injury isn't same same. But you know that.

Did Kaufusi's tackle happen before or after Mattos last Contract upgrade? You know that.

 

[Tiger5150]

Good to see you agree that you understand both are not the same..

I have never said the tackle happened before his last upgrade.

NRL news 2024: 'Mystery' absence solved as Parramatta Eels star Ryan Matterson undergoes testing; Bailey Simonsson injury news; Eels start interviews for coaching role

So every concussion after the Kaufusi initial one won't be able to allow him to get a medical retirement? As we know this is the point you are trying to make.

Because you know that won't ever be the case...

I wont be making the decision, but I have been responding here to merkins saying he should get exemption for medical retirement because of that tackle and the rule doesnt allow it. When you signed his last Contract, Parra deemed him all good.

Edit: I posted the above before reading the article you posted. After reading the article, IMO its clear that Parra should not get exemption under the cap if Matterson medically retires due to concussion. It was clearly a pre-existing condition that existed when he signed his last Contract (and the one before that for that matter). Reading that article I have to wonder if Parra did the right thing signing him again.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I wont be making the decision, but I have been responding here to merkins saying he should get exemption for medical retirement because of that tackle and the rule doesnt allow it. When you signed his last Contract, Parra deemed him all good.

What rule?

Cordner's retirement call: 'For once I put my own health first'

Roosters champion Boyd Cordner didn't think he could live with himself if he suffered another head knock, and so made the toughest decision of all – to call time on his career while he still had more to give.

www.nrl.com

There is literally precedent for a player retiring from concussion (who had LOTS of them), and having their salary exempt.

Roosters favourite forced into early retirement

Heartbreaking decision based on medical advice

www.nine.com.au

 

[JokerEel]

I wont be making the decision, but I have been responding here to merkins saying he should get exemption for medical retirement because of that tackle and the rule doesnt allow it. When you signed his last Contract, Parra deemed him all good.

Edit: I posted the above before reading the article you posted. After reading the article, IMO its clear that Parra should not get exemption under the cap if Matterson medically retires due to concussion. It was clearly a pre-existing condition that existed when he signed his last Contract (and the one before that for that matter). Reading that article I have to wonder if Parra did the right thing signing him again.

You are right you and Pou are really thick..

The NRL won't stand in anyone's way of being medically retired from a concussion..

That's the point..

 

[JokerEel]

What rule?

Cordner's retirement call: 'For once I put my own health first'

Roosters champion Boyd Cordner didn't think he could live with himself if he suffered another head knock, and so made the toughest decision of all – to call time on his career while he still had more to give.

www.nrl.com

There is literally precedent for a player retiring from concussion (who had LOTS of them), and having their salary exempt.

Roosters favourite forced into early retirement

Heartbreaking decision based on medical advice

www.nine.com.au

But but but they all happened after he signed his last NRL contract

 

[Tiger5150]

What rule?

Rule PCR 86 (Medical Termination)

Cordner's retirement call: 'For once I put my own health first'

Roosters champion Boyd Cordner didn't think he could live with himself if he suffered another head knock, and so made the toughest decision of all – to call time on his career while he still had more to give.

www.nrl.com

There is literally precedent for a player retiring from concussion (who had LOTS of them), and having their salary exempt.

Roosters favourite forced into early retirement

Heartbreaking decision based on medical advice

www.nine.com.au

Great example, of course a player can (and should) retire from concussion, and if their circumstances meet the requirements of rule PCR 86, their salary would be exempt under the cap. If it doesnt meet the parameters of PCR 86, it stays on the cap.

In the NRL.com article you posted, it is very clear that Cordner had just returned from a 6 month lay off due to concussion, which happened during the term of his current Contract. The Roosters didnt re-sign or upgrade his Contract subsequent and he retired during the term of the Contract in which that lay off occured. Meets all the parameters of the rule and his salary came off the cap.

The Kaufusi tackle happened in 2021 and Matterson has had his Contract upgraded twice since then.
Matterson took an extended break in 20024 in which Parra sent him off for neurological testing. Parra and Matterson have upgraded his Contract since this. MASSIVE difference in the two situations.

NRL news 2024: 'Mystery' absence solved as Parramatta Eels star Ryan Matterson undergoes testing; Bailey Simonsson injury news; Eels start interviews for coaching role

 

[Tiger5150]

But but but they all happened after he signed his last NRL contract

Looks like you are slowly getting it. Yes it all happened DURING the term of the contract that was deducted from the cap.

 

[hineyrulz]

I now know how Pou feels, you merkins are uneducatable!