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The Sydney Football Stadium bids for $60 million makeover

flippikat

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I guess they needed Cricket to get it over the line hence the shape. But yeah a covered rectangle would have been amazing.

Many cities here are moving towards dedicated grounds for cricket and footy. Hamilton and New Plymouth have always had that, but Dunedin did it when they built Forsythe-Barr stadium (and the University Oval looks great for cricket there), and Christchurch have done likewise post-quake by moving cricket to Hagley Oval. I hope Auckland goes the same route when Eden Park is eventually replaced.

As for Wellington, I would have been fine with a slightly smaller capacity rectangular stadium at the railyard, if it meant a bit of money left over for TV standard lights at the Basin Reserve.
 

blue bags

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I thought one of the main problems with SFS is transport?
yes it is, but we have new trams now, so consider that, greens were very angry about all those trees destroyed in an around moor park, for the new trams could be a conspiracy by the SCG trust mafia , very loud an rich and political connected trust

They should build something like a covered Suncorp in Western Sydney for WS teams to play out of
yes, we got bankwest but no roof

i must say i like it rather than knock such a great and iconic ground and have to start from scratch just add some simple improvements
yes, getting back to my 1st response, SCG trust mafia , have got there way in the end mmmmmm

The capacity of the ground is not 48k as stated in the article.
I'd like to see it redeveloped into a 60k venue.
love it to be 60k seats
 

seanoff

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Not at 75k with a roof lol
It would be even more expensive here. NFL fields are very narrow. 20 metres narrower than your local nrl venue and 10 or 12m shorter.

Full roofs on stadiums are very bloody expensive because of the spans involved. Moving ones even more so because the engineering for the roof then has to account for dynamic loads.

Yes a roof like Dunedin is cheaper, an Aus stadium with that roof is unusable between October and March.

bankwest with a moveable roof is close to 700 million.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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It would be even more expensive here. NFL fields are very narrow. 20 metres narrower than your local nrl venue and 10 or 12m shorter.

Full roofs on stadiums are very bloody expensive because of the spans involved. Moving ones even more so because the engineering for the roof then has to account for dynamic loads.

Yes a roof like Dunedin is cheaper, an Aus stadium with that roof is unusable between October and March.

bankwest with a moveable roof is close to 700 million.

Pfft, a movable roof is overrated...

They are a great show of opulence (“we are the biggest and the best”) which is perfect for the NFL.

But here, we are always scraping for cash. Better 2 or 3 Bankwests than one of these...
 
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T-Boon

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Pfft, a movable roof is overrated...

They are a great show of opulence (“we are the biggest and the best”) which is perfect for the NFL.

But here, we are always scraping for cash. Better 2 or 3 Bankwests than one of these...

I'd go with no roof - like those great college football coliseums. Australians don't go to sport in the rain no matter what.
 

blue bags

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A new stadium for Sydney in the city centre and served by every major rail line, plus the chance to return Moore Park to parkland. It sounds like a utopian dream from an urban planner.

But architecture firm Bates Smart has produced just such a concept, which they have pitched to the NSW government: a 45,000-seat stadium over the platforms and adjacent rail yards at Central station instead of a new stadium at the site of the current Allianz stadium in Moore Park.

But despite the proposal’s merits it has been met with a tepid response from the New South Wales government.

A government spokesperson said any unsolicited proposal needed “to be evaluated under the appropriate guidelines”.

Bates Smart director Philip Vivian says the idea is entirely possible – a stadium is a relatively light structure, equivalent to a six-storey building. The firm has asked engineering company Arup about its concept and believes it is entirely feasible.


“It would involve building a podium over the stations – it’s a matter of creating land – then the cost of the stadium on top would be the same, he said.

The new stadium would be served directly by all of Sydney’s rail lines, buses and the light rail, while being close to dining precincts in Haymarket and Surry Hills.

“It would create a piece of the city that heals a big scar in its fabric,” Vivian said of the concept of building over the vast expanse of rail lines in Sydney’s Central station area.


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An image of Moore Park with the Sydney Football Stadium removed and the Sydney Cricket Ground remaining. Photograph: Mark Merton/Bates Smart
“The Colosseum in Rome established the concept of the stadium as a public space embedded in the fabric of the city; a monumental piece of infrastructure for public spectacle. In modern times however, with the advent of the motor vehicle and the suburbs, stadiums became mono-functional objects, isolated on the periphery of the city and surrounded by car parking,” the Bates Smart brief says.

“Today a renaissance is under way, with stadiums once again being integrated into the city fabric and acting as catalysts of urban renewal,” it says.

But Bates Smart’s idea appears to have come too late to be given serious consideration by the NSW government.

Even though the government only announced its $1.5bn final decision on redeveloping Sydney’s two stadiums in late March, the firm met with resistance when it pitched it in May.

The government has already commenced a design competition for the $729m rebuild of Allianz stadium, which will be the first of the two Sydney stadiums to be redeveloped. The other is the ANZ stadium at Homebush, which was built for the 2000 Olympics.

The government says it will be announcing the winner in a month and has plans to begin the project before the state election in March next year.

However, the NSW government has been prepared to upend planning processes in the past, when it considered there were benefits to NSW.

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James Packer’s Crown Resorts convinced the O’Farrell government to entirely change the masterplan for Barangaroo six years into the massive project and move a public park away from the water’s edge in order to accommodate his casino on the water’s edge.

The government justified accepting the unsolicited proposal by Packer because of the tourism benefits and jobs the casino would bring to Sydney.

Vivian said a stadium at Central, rather than Moore Park would bring enormous benefits to the economy because the surrounding areas offered far more opportunities for visitors to spend money.

“A stadium should not be an isolated element on the edge of a city or in a park. What people want to do is extend their experience and go out for a meal or to a bar afterwards. At Allianz they spill out into nowhere,” he said.

“The NSW government often pays to get major events to Sydney but there’s nothing for tourists to spend their money on when they attend an event at Moore Park,” he said.

He also said the location would provide a better backdrop to showcase Sydney in international broadcasts, which would in turn help promote Sydney as a destination.

A stadium at Central would also allow Moore Park to be reclaimed as parkland and end the surrounding parkland being used as carparks when events were on.

“The whole problem with Moore Park is that it’s based on the outmoded concept of the automobile being the main form of getting to a game,” Vivian said.

Building a stadium at Central would also take the time pressure off the government’s plans and a potential blowout in costs as the old stadium at Moore Park could continue to operate until the new stadium is finished.

The government currently hopes to begin demolition of Allianz by the end of the year and have it completed by March 2022. The stadium at Homebush, which is now to be refurbished rather than rebuilt at a cost of $850m, is due for completion in mid 2021.

The Bates Smart idea will be up against some powerful potential opposition. Radio host Alan Jones and former News Corp managing director John Hartigan are on the board of the Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust, which is chaired by former Transfield executive Tony Shepherd. The trust has been the driving force behind the redevelopment at Moore Park.

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Several reports have recommended the two stadiums be brought under common ownership and managed jointly rather than as rival venues.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ydney-stadium-suspended-above-central-station
i would love a stadium built on central station, the railways tramways are digging up old grave sites now in central station, for the new tram lines platforms

 
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SpaceMonkey

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It would be even more expensive here. NFL fields are very narrow. 20 metres narrower than your local nrl venue and 10 or 12m shorter.

Full roofs on stadiums are very bloody expensive because of the spans involved. Moving ones even more so because the engineering for the roof then has to account for dynamic loads.

Yes a roof like Dunedin is cheaper, an Aus stadium with that roof is unusable between October and March.

bankwest with a moveable roof is close to 700 million.

they’re also AstroTurf aren’t they? No way you’d get enough light in that roof for good natural grass growth.
 
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they’re also AstroTurf aren’t they? No way you’d get enough light in that roof for good natural grass growth.

Most of them are still grass - eg Packers (Lambeau Field), Bengals (Paul Brown Stadium), And the Chiefs at Arrowhead etc - and yes with next to no roofing so the grass gets enough sun to grow...

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An example of artificial turf is AT&T Stadium for the Cowboys. It has held over 100,000 people for NFL previously. Cost $1.3Billion USD back in 2005.

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SpaceMonkey

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Most of them are still grass - eg Packers (Lambeau Field), Bengals (Paul Brown Stadium), And the Chiefs at Arrowhead etc - and yes with next to no roofing so the grass gets enough sun to grow...

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An example of artificial turf is AT&T Stadium for the Cowboys. It has held over 100,000 people for NFL previously. Cost $1.3Billion USD back in 2005.

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yeah I was talking about the enclosed stadiums mainly. I know even somewhere like Etihad has issues with getting sufficient grass growth into the corners. Forsyth a Barr in Dunedin has artificial lighting for some sections I think.
 

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Many cities here are moving towards dedicated grounds for cricket and footy. Hamilton and New Plymouth have always had that, but Dunedin did it when they built Forsythe-Barr stadium (and the University Oval looks great for cricket there), and Christchurch have done likewise post-quake by moving cricket to Hagley Oval. I hope Auckland goes the same route when Eden Park is eventually replaced.

As for Wellington, I would have been fine with a slightly smaller capacity rectangular stadium at the railyard, if it meant a bit of money left over for TV standard lights at the Basin Reserve.

I think attitudes towards dedicated stadiums have changed in the last 20 years. Back in the mid-late 90s when the Cake Tin was planned out of the cities that regularly hosted both Rugby and Cricket internationals only Wellington and Hamilton had separate grounds, Eden Park, Lancaster Park and Carisbrook were all dual use and I think that was generally the way big grounds were envisioned in NZ at the time. Definitely a bit different now with both Dunedin and Christchurch having separated theirs and a fairly broad acknowledgement that despite all the money spent on it pre RWC, Eden Park is still not a great venue.
Pretty amazing to think the Cake Tin is 20 years old now, actually.
 

Perth Red

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yeah I was talking about the enclosed stadiums mainly. I know even somewhere like Etihad has issues with getting sufficient grass growth into the corners. Forsyth a Barr in Dunedin has artificial lighting for some sections I think.
Roll in roll out pitches are the answer to that problem.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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I think attitudes towards dedicated stadiums have changed in the last 20 years. Back in the mid-late 90s when the Cake Tin was planned out of the cities that regularly hosted both Rugby and Cricket internationals only Wellington and Hamilton had separate grounds, Eden Park, Lancaster Park and Carisbrook were all dual use and I think that was generally the way big grounds were envisioned in NZ at the time. Definitely a bit different now with both Dunedin and Christchurch having separated theirs and a fairly broad acknowledgement that despite all the money spent on it pre RWC, Eden Park is still not a great venue.
Pretty amazing to think the Cake Tin is 20 years old now, actually.

Damn shame they didnt even get Eden Park right.

RUWC is one of the few international events that can demand stadium funding for rectangular stadiums (Soccer WC is the only other I can think of). It is amazing that they managed to f*ck it up and build another over.....
 

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