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southsport

First Grade
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Off topic..........this is an email I recieved.




Sent from my iPad
Australia’s hottest day?

cid:part1.621F91B8.FC81C4C0@gmail.com

Not 2010, BUT 1828 at a blistering 53.9 °C
Back before man-made climate change was frying Australia, when CO2was around 300ppm, the continent savoured an ideal pre-industrial climate…….. RIGHT?
This is the kind of climate we are spending $10bn per annum to get back too...... Right again?
We are told today’s climate has more records and more extremes than times gone by, but the few records we have from the early 1800’s are eye-popping.
Things were not just hotter, but so wildly hot it burst thermometers.
The earliest temperature records we have show that Australia was a land of shocking heatwaves and droughts, except for when it was bitterly cold or raging in flood.
In other words, nothing has changed, except possibly things might not be quite so hot now!
Silliggy (Lance Pidgeon) has been researching records from early explorers and from newspapers.


For all that we hear about recent record-breaking climate extremes, records that are equally extreme, and sometimes even more so, are ignored.

In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks.The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states.

Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days.


Links to documentary evidence (1)(2)(3)

The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight!

Use the several links below to read the news reports at the time for yourself ……

1. By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reportedfalling deadin the streets.
2. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, it was still109F atmidnight.
3. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F.
4. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day. Hospitals were overcrowdedand reports said that
“more deaths are expectedhourly”.
5. By January 24, in Bourke, manybusinesses had shut down(almost everything bar the hotels).
6. Panic strickenAustralians werefleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains.


As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:
What I found most interesting about this was the skill, dedication and length of meteorological data taken in the 1800′s. When our climate is “the most important moral challenge” why is it there is so little interest in our longest and oldest data?
Who knew that one of the most meticulous and detailed temperature records in the world from the 1800′s comes from Adelaide, largely thanks to Sir Charles Todd.


The West Terrace site in Adelaide was one of the best in the world at the time, and provides accurate historic temperatures from “Australia’s firstpermanent weather bureau at Adelaide in 1856″.

Rainfall records even appear to go as far back as 1839. Lance Pidgeon went delving into the National Archives and was surprised at what he found.
The media are in overdrive, making out that “the extreme heat is the new normal” in Australia.

The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn’t push the mercury above 50C at any weather station in Australia, yet it’s been 50C (122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past century.
See how many are in the late1800s and early to mid 1900s.
You can't blame those high records on man-made global warming!
 

alien

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Off topic..........this is an email I recieved.




Sent from my iPad
Australia’s hottest day?

cid:part1.621F91B8.FC81C4C0@gmail.com

Not 2010, BUT 1828 at a blistering 53.9 °C
Back before man-made climate change was frying Australia, when CO2was around 300ppm, the continent savoured an ideal pre-industrial climate…….. RIGHT?
This is the kind of climate we are spending $10bn per annum to get back too...... Right again?
We are told today’s climate has more records and more extremes than times gone by, but the few records we have from the early 1800’s are eye-popping.
Things were not just hotter, but so wildly hot it burst thermometers.
The earliest temperature records we have show that Australia was a land of shocking heatwaves and droughts, except for when it was bitterly cold or raging in flood.
In other words, nothing has changed, except possibly things might not be quite so hot now!
Silliggy (Lance Pidgeon) has been researching records from early explorers and from newspapers.


For all that we hear about recent record-breaking climate extremes, records that are equally extreme, and sometimes even more so, are ignored.

In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks.The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states.

Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days.


Links to documentary evidence (1)(2)(3)

The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight!

Use the several links below to read the news reports at the time for yourself ……

1. By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reportedfalling deadin the streets.
2. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, it was still109F atmidnight.
3. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F.
4. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day. Hospitals were overcrowdedand reports said that
“more deaths are expectedhourly”.
5. By January 24, in Bourke, manybusinesses had shut down(almost everything bar the hotels).
6. Panic strickenAustralians werefleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains.


As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:
What I found most interesting about this was the skill, dedication and length of meteorological data taken in the 1800′s. When our climate is “the most important moral challenge” why is it there is so little interest in our longest and oldest data?
Who knew that one of the most meticulous and detailed temperature records in the world from the 1800′s comes from Adelaide, largely thanks to Sir Charles Todd.


The West Terrace site in Adelaide was one of the best in the world at the time, and provides accurate historic temperatures from “Australia’s firstpermanent weather bureau at Adelaide in 1856″.

Rainfall records even appear to go as far back as 1839. Lance Pidgeon went delving into the National Archives and was surprised at what he found.
The media are in overdrive, making out that “the extreme heat is the new normal” in Australia.
The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn’t push the mercury above 50C at any weather station in Australia, yet it’s been 50C (122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past century.
See how many are in the late1800s and early to mid 1900s.
You can't blame those high records on man-made global warming!

Interesting. Is there a link to the article?
 

alien

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There wasn't a link but this might help.

http://joannenova.com.au/tag/pidgeon-lance/

Yeah it's interesting. Whether or not global warming exists (or if humans are a part of the cause of it) I disagree with funding a United Nations climate change fund. In fact I'm against all funding to the United Nations. I believe eventually they want a one world government, and using things like climate change is just 1 of the ways to fund it. Australia should never give up any of its sovereignty to the United Nations or anything else.
 

southsport

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Yeah it's interesting. Whether or not global warming exists (or if humans are a part of the cause of it) I disagree with funding a United Nations climate change fund. In fact I'm against all funding to the United Nations. I believe eventually they want a one world government, and using things like climate change is just 1 of the ways to fund it. Australia should never give up any of its sovereignty to the United Nations or anything else.

There was an interesting doco on the tele recently about ancient times around the period of Alexander the Great, apparently Europe's coastline looked much different back then because sea levels were much higher than today and Greek sailors were able to sail from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea which is not possible today because sea levels are too low. So it must have been much warmer back then than it is today and that had nothing to do with fossil fuels.
 

alien

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There was an interesting doco on the tele recently about ancient times around the period of Alexander the Great, apparently Europe's coastline looked much different back then because sea levels were much higher than today and Greek sailors were able to sail from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea which is not possible today because sea levels are too low. So it must have been much warmer back then than it is today and that had nothing to do with fossil fuels.

Yes global warming and cooling happened before humans used technology - there was ice ages, etc. I believe it has to do with changes of activity of our sun. I'm not sure if we are also having an affect on climate. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have less pollution though.
 

alien

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Agenda 21/2030 (a.k.a Sustainable Development)

In 1992, Paul Keating signed Agenda 21 on behalf of Australia. 178 Nations around the world signed Agenda 21. What is Agenda 21 you may ask? In short, it’s about global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit 1992 said, “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.”

Imagine if the government was purposefully rationing the use of electricity, water, petrol and natural gas, and that the enactment of these policies came from your local government's committee or department of sustainability?

These local government (council) sustainability boards will decide how much energy, water, and other natural resources your home is allowed to use, limiting your ability to wash your dishes, take a shower or bath, flush the toilet, and drink a glass of water - regardless of the size of your household or how many children you have.

Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced - a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.

Agenda 21 leaves no stone unturned and no person outside of its reach. In order to accomplish its goals of sustainable development and to make you into a so-called "steward of the environment," Agenda 21 seeks to control you and your life. Once implemented, Agenda 21 will affect you the following ways:

  • Eliminating your right to private ownership (property rights)
  • Forbidding you from entering woodland and wetland areas
  • Punishing you with higher prices at the store
  • Restricting your civil liberties
  • Restricting the number of children you can have
  • Restricting the amount of trash or waste you can dispose of
  • Restricting the amount of water you can use
  • Telling you how much to harvest on your farm or land
  • Forcing you to participate in community projects
Another arm of Agenda 21, is to privatise water. A farmer can only capture 10 % of the water in his dam, the rest must flow to the rivers and creeks, or be taxed. South Australia are just starting to feel the effects of Agenda 21, with the state government trialing low flow by-passes on dams, at an estimated cost of up to $30,000, this is to stop water running into dams. A water licence must be bought for irrigation from your own dam and also a right to take water levy, whether you use it or not, has been introduced by the government, and supported by the opposition.

Let me draw Australian's attention to Section 100 of the Australian Constitution. It reads..."The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade or commerce, abridge the right of a State or of the residents therein to the reasonable use of the waters of rivers for conservation or irrigation."

This has not been challenged in the high court but we believe that Australians, under section 100 of the Constitution have the right to water. John Howard and his Liberal government, separated land and water in 2004 to make it a saleable commodity. This was not done for any reason other than for profit and the grubby business of multinationals and big business to make money.

Agenda 21 also calls for the fencing of rivers and creeks, at the expense of the land owner, to stop live stock from accessing the water, supposedly for environmental purposes. Water is our life’s blood, without it we will die.

No government or individual has the right to own or control another person’s use of water. In a drought stricken country such as Australia, we should be assisting farmers to put more dams on their properties, not shut them down with fines, taxes and meters, or limiting the size of a dam if it does not impact on other properties and their water supplies.

It’s the man on the land that is being targeted today, tomorrow it will be the cities that will be taxed for the rain water they capture in their tanks.

Other states will experience Agenda 21, it is only a matter of time. Always be wary when you hear the words sustainable development. This is what the

The Labor Government signed it, and the Liberals and Nationals supported it.

In September 2015, the United Nations held a ‘Sustainable Development Summit; where they officially released ‘Agenda 2030,’ following Agenda 21.

These Agendas are designed to control people’s rights, water, population, health, education, sovereignty, ownership of land and how we choose to live our lives.

One Nation will further research, inform Australians and repeal these Agendas if not in Australian’s best interest. Some states in America are repealing Agenda 21 due to the desolation it has caused.

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/agenda21
 

OVP

Coach
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Let us pray children
Let us thank the Lord for right-tards.
After all, it's clear they know more than scientists do.
Who needs scientists when you have right-tards ?
Praise Jebus.
 

southsport

First Grade
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Yes global warming and cooling happened before humans used technology - there was ice ages, etc. I believe it has to do with changes of activity of our sun. I'm not sure if we are also having an affect on climate. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have less pollution though.

Also alien, that doco was about history and nothing was said about climate.
 

OVP

Coach
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Aww how sweet..........and still believe everything they tell you without question. :D

No that's the job of the right-tard. Don't worry you can watch A Current Affair tomorrow night. Then you can go bash a dole bludger while the channel that airs the show and all the companies that advertise on the show don't pay a lick of tax. Keep sucking that corporate cock lol !!
 

alien

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No that's the job of the right-tard. Don't worry you can watch A Current Affair tomorrow night. Then you can go bash a dole bludger while the channel that airs the show and all the companies that advertise on the show don't pay a lick of tax. Keep sucking that corporate c**k lol !!

I'd rather watch The Bolt Report and Hannity! :D
 

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