The TV rights thread

[LineBall]

So Fox has payed overs for AFL to try and up its subscription rates in the AFL states.

In some ways you feel like the best thing NRL fans could do would be to orgnaise themselves to cancel their Fox subscriptions en masse, from now until the next deal is done, and demand that they won't resubscribe unless they get the same deal from Fox that they give to AFL.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

What Gallop should have said was NRL outrates AFL and we have Origin and Tests. Start making that point as often as possible.

 

[age.s]

I've always followed both (and a lot of other sports besides), and I could give two knobs of goat shit if it bothers anyone. The AFL's current aggressive stance toward the other codes does shit me however.

I followed both before the fracas involving cutie and Failou. RL is my sport, and seeing a bully trying to destroy it in my home town makes me want to vomit. I will never watch or read about an AFL game until that scum team disappears from the planet. I'm not the only one that feels like this either.

The AFL has done itself more harm than good with the way it went about expanding.

 

[Red Bear]

Good idea, sell them for even less. The calls to walk away from fox are ridiculous. FTA ruin the game, always have, now some want them to have every game? How many will we see live compared to how many they comletely f*ck up with ads? the coverage on foxtel is far superior to anything we see on FTA.

Coverage might not always be great but FTA is a godsend for sport. Look at the codes without it, Rugby Union and A-league, no surprise they trail along way behind the other codes in terms of interest, they do not get the exposure.

Now if we can transfer FTA to other states other than heartland ones, we'd be laughing.

Re Fox - this is what happens when your game is hmastrung by News Ltd for a long period of time, constantly underselling the rights to themselves basically. They now of course have very high rates of subscription in NSW/Qld, thanks largely to RL, and we have seen very little if any of the benifit of this I guess because of timing and whatnot. Frustrating.

 

[CMUX]

So Fox has payed overs for AFL to try and up its subscription rates in the AFL states.

In some ways you feel like the best thing NRL fans could do would be to orgnaise themselves to cancel their Fox subscriptions en masse, from now until the next deal is done, and demand that they won't resubscribe unless they get the same deal from Fox that they give to AFL.

Yeah I can see that really working.

Foxtel would just offer bugger all for the rights if that was the case.

 

[Raiderdave]

Yeah I can see that really working.

Foxtel would just offer bugger all for the rights if that was the case.

well if they did ... thats what they'd get in return
& be out of business by the time the next rights are due in 2016;-)

Our game won't be bluffed by these dipsh.its
we've got the product ..
its ours to use to line our pockets ... not theirs

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

Gallop, the typical knobhead who DOWNPLAYS our game!

 

[BunniesMan]

ah no
if they refuse to up their $$ to get the same deal as now
so thats 5 games live

then they'll be the ones surprised ... when they get nothing :shock:
9 .. 7 & 10 will take em all

So you expect Fox to pay as much for 5 games as they paid for 9? Being delusional doesn't help our situation, we need every game live on fox.

What a f**king joke!

Exactly. By the sounds of it there will be less live rugby league in NSW and QLD than AFL. That's simply ridiculous.

It is very possible that 2013 will come around and we'll still have the ridiculous situation where we'll have 1 live NRL match on FTA...compared to 4 AFL games.

They'll be more AFL coverage on both FTA and Fox in all states. Gallop simply has no idea, he doesn't understand the amount of coverage is every bit as important as the $ amount we get.

So Fox has payed overs for AFL to try and up its subscription rates in the AFL states.

In some ways you feel like the best thing NRL fans could do would be to orgnaise themselves to cancel their Fox subscriptions en masse, from now until the next deal is done, and demand that they won't resubscribe unless they get the same deal from Fox that they give to AFL.

Before we can even hope that Fox gives us the same deal as AFL got, we have to give them the same deal aswell. That means a 9th game from day 1 of the contract (2013) and it also means making EVERY game on Fox. They won't give us the same deal if they don't get as much content from us.

 

[Ziggy the God]

Quote:
NRL faces massive challenge after TV rights coup by AFL
by Damien Stannard From: The Courier-Mail April 29, 201

THE NRL will not demand that their next television deal mirrors the blanket free-to-air coverage achieved by the AFL.

In a major coup for rugby league's rival, games in key timeslots will be telecast live on Seven's second free-to-air channel, while all premierships game will also be carried live on Foxtel and Austar.

It's the apparent answer to Queensland AFL prayers for the next five seasons under a monster TV and internet rights package worth $1.253 billion.

Friday night games will be shown live on 7Mate, a Seven digital channel.

All Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast Suns fixtures will be aired live on Channel 7 or another free-to-air network, with Seven looking to on-sell at least one timeslot to a free-to-air rival.

The NRL, who are negotiating over their rights from 2013 and also want a $1 billion bonanza, face a massive challenge to replicate the clean sweep being celebrated by AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and chief executive Andrew Demetriou.

Rugby league, which currently has one game live on Channel 9 and two more on delay, has all but conceded it will not include live coverage of every game.

"But it's fair to say the NRL will push for as many live matches as possible," an NRL insider said.

Telstra has won the AFL online rights, with all games available live on mobile phones for the first time.

The commitment from free-to-air and subscription TV has been significantly increased from the 2007-11 contract that was worth $780 million and did not contain the same guarantee of live coverage.

"This is an important agreement for supporters across the country," Demetriou said. "More people now have more access to more games in more places and delivered by more media platforms than ever before.

"Also I am happy to say that this agreement will also deliver greater financial security to the football industry than ever before."

NRL boss David Gallop insisted Channel 7 and Foxtel's partnership with the AFL would not affect his code's plans.

"This underlines the values of sport when it comes to television rights and augurs well for rugby league," he said.

Nine will now concentrate on retaining the jewels of league telecasting, but paid big money for Olympic Games broadcast rights.

Seven's AFL splurge will not stop it from making a lucrative bid of many millions for the three annual State of Origin league games, which will drive upward league's income.

Seven chief executive David Leckie described the AFL rights saga as two years of "an all-in brawl" every day.

If Seven, Foxtel and Telstra were the victors, Channel 9 was AFL's hero. In the lengthy contract negotiations, Nine was the spanner in Seven's works, pushing to better its rival's every offer.

What a f**king joke!What a f**king joke!

This is exactly why Gallop should f**k off from being involved in any of the discussions.

 

[ozjet1]

hmmmm
yeah that new Gold Coast side are certainly ready aren't they :sarcasm:
GWS will be a powerhouse when they come in :lol:

& neither will need a cent thrown after them will they :crazy::crazy:

yeah RL can learn plenty from this latest round of AFL expansion :roll:

nice way to totally miss the point. Take off the eye-patch, and look at the issue logically, objectively, without bias.

the groundwork in setting up these two clubs has been underway for several years. They've done their research, they have an expansion plan, they are implementing to the plan. And I actually stated that they will be funding these clubs for a long-time to give it the best chance to work, a pointed you totally ignored, something they can afford to do, and broadcasters and advertisers obviously see value in. Their game has learnt from their mistakes with the relocation of the Swans - private ownership in the 80's and dark days of the early 90s.

GC have membership numbers bigger than most RL clubs in their first year. Both clubs have had access to recruiting concessions - GC decided to forgoe their ability to sign their total uncontracted player allocation available to them in favour of building a team for several years down the track via the draft concessions they received. From all reports, once all their 18 yr old kids who predominantly make the team have developed a bit, they'll be extremely competitive. They got all the gun kids in the draft, plus 1st choice 17 yr olds the prior year.

basing the success of their expansion on 1 month of football is short-sighted in the extreme. Typical of the rugby league approach I pointed out in my earlier post. It's this sort of mentality that shits me about the game. Many posts in this thread has been reactionary and wants the NRL to respond similarly. The AFL have been proactive. They've worked towards this rights deal via their expansion plans in the 5 yrs since the last deal.

What you should be evaluating is the AFL's result - $1.25b over the next 5 yrs.

The NRL are still working out what a billion is.

SO you lot what the NRL to plonk a team out in Perth and Brisbane asap prior to finalisation of the next rights deal, and that will look after everything. Problems solved. Hardly the case.

The self-interested merkins are still devising ways of maintaining power within a new IC. The health of the game comes 2nd to them.

Im speaking objectively here..............some of you have Roy Masters' c**k up your arses and are just blinkered by hate for their game. What a waste of energy.

 

[Flapper]

Apparently there's some concern from club CEO's about Gallop being involved in negotiations.

Their concerns are well founded.

 

[Alex28]

When the NRL are negotiating with Channel Nine they are really negotiating with two companies - there is Channel Nine which owns Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and NBN, and there is WIN which owns Channel Nine Adelaide and Perth as well as the WIN regional network which owns stations throughout every state bar NT.

To get to a similar figure as the AFL, they need to convince Channel 9 Sydney that they are going to pay the bulk of the figure - WIN Television aren't as reliant on League and won't want to pay a stupid figure for the rights (particularly as they show it in Perth and Adelaide in the middle of the night), and if Seven end up selling some of the games to Nine it makes the NRL's position even worse.

The Foxtel amount paid is probably the shining light for us. NRL is key for them and it is up to the NRL to ensure that they don't give away the rights to them.

The NRL is going to struggle to get to the Billion dollar figure that everyone hopes for. It is reliant on the NRL convincing one of the owners of the game to pay a large amount for the rights where they have no real opposition, and an ailing station paying a stupid figure which makes no economic sense to do so.

 

[Raiderdave]

So you expect Fox to pay as much for 5 games as they paid for 9? Being delusional doesn't help our situation, we need every game live on fox.

If they got every game live ... then they would have to pay more then they did for the AFL ... common sense would dictate this based on the NRL's far bigger ratings

I'm saying if they didn't .. & got their current deal
& weren't prepared to pay more for this ... they can tell their story walking
the NRL has kept these wombats in business

if we had to put up with a few more delayed games on FTA
so be it

we don't need every game live on FOX
what we need is a rights deal that is fair in relation to the AFL one & how we compare as a TV product against theirs ... one our game profits from .. not broadcasters including fox

networks covering AFL have & are going to continue to cop losses
but this time .......not at our expense
you pay up or we go elsewhere

 

[Raiderdave]

nice way to totally miss the point. Take off the eye-patch, and look at the issue logically, objectively, without bias.

the groundwork in setting up these two clubs has been underway for several years. They've done their research, they have an expansion plan, they are implementing to the plan. And I actually stated that they will be funding these clubs for a long-time to give it the best chance to work, a pointed you totally ignored, something they can afford to do, and broadcasters and advertisers obviously see value in. Their game has learnt from their mistakes with the relocation of the Swans - private ownership in the 80's and dark days of the early 90s.

GC have membership numbers bigger than most RL clubs in their first year. Both clubs have had access to recruiting concessions - GC decided to forgoe their ability to sign their total uncontracted player allocation available to them in favour of building a team for several years down the track via the draft concessions they received. From all reports, once all their 18 yr old kids who predominantly make the team have developed a bit, they'll be extremely competitive. They got all the gun kids in the draft, plus 1st choice 17 yr olds the prior year.

basing the success of their expansion on 1 month of football is short-sighted in the extreme. Typical of the rugby league approach I pointed out in my earlier post. It's this sort of mentality that shits me about the game. Many posts in this thread has been reactionary and wants the NRL to respond similarly. The AFL have been proactive. They've worked towards this rights deal via their expansion plans in the 5 yrs since the last deal.

What you should be evaluating is the AFL's result - $1.25b over the next 5 yrs.

The NRL are still working out what a billion is.

SO you lot what the NRL to plonk a team out in Perth and Brisbane asap prior to finalisation of the next rights deal, and that will look after everything. Problems solved. Hardly the case.

The self-interested merkins are still devising ways of maintaining power within a new IC. The health of the game comes 2nd to them.

Im speaking objectively here..............some of you have Roy Masters' c**k up your arses and are just blinkered by hate for their game. What a waste of energy.

seriously ... you are a muppet

read what you said

Dropping teams in that aren't ready
ummm HELLO

Teams that will need money spent on them
ummmmm HEEEEELLLOOOOOOO

you may as well have been talking about the AFL instead of your lame @ssed attempt at having a dig at the NRL you wombat

maybe you should pull Andy Dimetrious d--K out of your mouth & talk some sense for once ;-)

 

[docbrown]

Hopefully the IC is sorted out very soon (i.e. within the next few weeks) and they can get to work immediately on the television rights ASAP.

Channel 7 hold the ace card now and that is whether or not they will sub licence AFL matches to 9 & 10. If the new IC immediately engages the networks and that delays 7's AFL decision, then I anticipate that the most likely scenario will be that 9 will place their initial bid and that 7 will automatically outbid by the afforementioned 20% to negate the first and last rights.

At that point anything - including previously dedicated Foxtel slots like Saturday & Monday nights and representative fixtures - will be up for grabs - bringing all 3 networks, subscription & IPTV into direct competition. However - these negotiations must occur as soon as possible as 7 will not indefinitely suspend their AFL offsell.

The NRL need to bring in new advertising opportunities and new potential slots to entice them. This may include but is not limited to shifting Monday night football to Thursdays, offering 10 a 7:00pm to 11:30pm Friday Night slot (with kickoffs at 7:20/7:25pm), offering Sunday double headers in an increased block from 12:30pm/1:30pm to 5:00pm/6:00pm and the potentiality of Sunday evening matches. What also needs to be addressed is the 2nd tier competitions restructure.

 

[Raiderdave]

When the NRL are negotiating with Channel Nine they are really negotiating with two companies - there is Channel Nine which owns Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and NBN, and there is WIN which owns Channel Nine Adelaide and Perth as well as the WIN regional network which owns stations throughout every state bar NT.

To get to a similar figure as the AFL, they need to convince Channel 9 Sydney that they are going to pay the bulk of the figure - WIN Television aren't as reliant on League and won't want to pay a stupid figure for the rights (particularly as they show it in Perth and Adelaide in the middle of the night), and if Seven end up selling some of the games to Nine it makes the NRL's position even worse.

The Foxtel amount paid is probably the shining light for us. NRL is key for them and it is up to the NRL to ensure that they don't give away the rights to them.

The NRL is going to struggle to get to the Billion dollar figure that everyone hopes for. It is reliant on the NRL convincing one of the owners of the game to pay a large amount for the rights where they have no real opposition, and an ailing station paying a stupid figure which makes no economic sense to do so.

News won't own any of the game by the time the deal is started
so that won't be hard
pay .. or no play

 

[Alex28]

Foxtel/Austar (which will probably be the one company by the time the rights come up) have no real opposition. The only other players in the market are Optus (which takes a feed from Foxtel) and SelecTV which is owned by WIN Television.

The NRL have no real way of driving up the price, particularly with the chunk of cash that Foxtel paid for the AFL. They can withold the rights and clealy Foxtel needs the NRL rights to remain viable in NSW and QLD, however the NRL also needs Foxtel's cash too...

 

[docbrown]

The NRL have no real way of driving up the price, particularly with the chunk of cash that Foxtel paid for the AFL. They can withold the rights and clealy Foxtel needs the NRL rights to remain viable in NSW and QLD, however the NRL also needs Foxtel's cash too...

It's just the negotiation of how many games on FTA will affect Foxtel's subscription base in NSW & QLD.

The other thing too is that majority of Austar's base is in regional NSW & QLD. The current perception is that Foxtel are looking at something like a $2 Billion takeover.

However, if the NRL were to also remind Austar of how much of its subscriptions are driven by Rugby League in those areas, then that creates internal pressure at Foxtel that they must then address.

The FTA networks would actually prefer to kill off subscription television if they had the chance as with the advent of digital platforms they can offer a competitive comparitive model. At the moment Foxtel are committed to this deal that's based around anticipated growth in the Southern States - but to fund it in the mean time they need to keep their existing foundation.

I'm not saying we will necessarily get the same deal as the AFL, however I do believe that the NRL are capable of forcing their hand to get a fair outcome.

Edit: I might add that one of the suspected shortlisted commissioners is a very well respected former media buyer who has a great reputation when it comes to these kind of negotiations.

 

[Mong]

So Fox has payed overs for AFL to try and up its subscription rates in the AFL states.

In some ways you feel like the best thing NRL fans could do would be to orgnaise themselves to cancel their Fox subscriptions en masse, from now until the next deal is done, and demand that they won't resubscribe unless they get the same deal from Fox that they give to AFL.

:crazy::crazy:

 

[_Johnsy]

Apologies if this has been covered earlier but,

To simplify this whole scenario.

1. NRL have the highest sports TV ratings in the country.
2. We have more games to broadcast than the AFL do.
3. We have additional representative fixtures.
4. We have the ability to split SOO games, International games, Finals games & NRL round games.

So why should we be getting anything less than fumbleball gets (excluding the negotiator) ?