The Value Of a Big Willie

[black_dot]

On the "unable to attract players" concern. It's a very interesting point you make and if they are holding a crisis meeting about it that's good. But unfortunately as long as the people sitting on that meeting are the usual suspects, and I do not mean Our CEO or our coach, then you have a situation where the problem is meeting to try and fix the problem.

Our own players have so little respect for the "problem" mimicking and mocking and rolling of the eyes whenever one of the " problem" is mentioned or in the room, they are the laughing stock and it is commonly accepted that they always have been. One very high profile ex player known for his comedic efforts used to have the entire squad in raptures with his impressions and piss takes, it was hilarious watching the "problem" even laugh along thinking it was a case of mimickery being the best form of flattery, it wasn't it was a piss take that is well known among the Sydney league world and this "problem" as a whole is the main reason players do not wish to come to the club. Not coaches, not the ceo, not the players or our hopes of fielding a strong team, but the "problem" one must play under and tolerate when one comes to the shire.

To win comps, a club must contain respect from the top down. There has been no respect earned at the club by certain sections and until that's the case, the recruiting situation will remain.

 

[MightySharks]

Well my mail is that the Sharks held a "crisis" meeting this weekend to discuss the concerns of most parties (players, coaches, administrators - not members of course ) with our club not being able to attract players.

The coaching staff are VERY keen on Mason. The players are keen on Mason. The board doesn't give a rat's arse.

More lies the players and staff have the weekend off, you conspiracy therioes are tiresome!

 

[black_dot]

I think he was implying the CONCERNS were from those parties, not neccassarily at the meeting.

 

[Frenzy.]

More lies the players and staff have the weekend off, you conspiracy therioes are tiresome!

No where near as tiresome as your stupidity, inabilty to comprehend the simplest of concepts and propensity for twisting people's words to meet your own ends.

You, Mighty Sharks, are an absolute imbecile.

dottie is correct. I mentioned where the concerns eminate from. I didn't say all parties would attend the meeting although despite having a week off it is highly likely the coaching staff would be represented .

If you can't stand the heat from the kitchen in knowing there are problems in the football club you support, get up to Bellingara and become a netball fan.

 

[Frenzy.]

Interesting mate, I hope the players are keen on him cause they want to win a premiership wit him and run off him ON field, rather than off..........

it's my view that we really don't NEED to attract players, look at our minor premiership winning sides. We need to attract 2 players at any given tim for mine, we have the halfback now, and the 5/8 is back. we have one centre. I think we need one more player, 2 would be great. as ive said before, a berrigan would be awesome along with another prop forward. willie would be a good buy but not at the money, but if we get willie, we are still going to need to fix a whole that zuess and mellor probably havent plugged to premiership winning standard yet. Is marshall chalk capable ? or Ross or another young un ?

Note I said the coaching staff are VERY keen but the players are keen. The players want him as a team mate but are none to fussed about the current asking price.

BTW you said we don't need to attract players then went on to say what we need to attract! :lol:

Beau Scott is the next young fella to be tried I believe.

 

[black_dot]

Sorry if I didn't explain it the best way. I meant that we don't need to attract MANY players compared to some other clubs, ie warriors, storm, Tigers, Souths, canberra. We obvioulsy need imports but IM saying we really only need 2 big name "imports" at any given stage just to put the cherry on the top of some very good locally based , and junior purchased squads over the years. Our current team is one of the most imported shire teams in recent history wouldnt you say ?

Noddy, Nuts, Hutch, Bails, Gallen, Vagana, Covell, Sullivan, Stosic, Leuluei just off the top of my head. That's 10 regular 17 run on spots there. So I don't feel in that light we need many more.

It wasnt long ago we had a team of local juniors basically winning the minor premiership.

 

[Frenzy.]

On the "unable to attract players" concern. It's a very interesting point you make and if they are holding a crisis meeting about it that's good. But unfortunately as long as the people sitting on that meeting are the usual suspects, and I do not mean Our CEO or our coach, then you have a situation where the problem is meeting to try and fix the problem.

Our own players have so little respect for the "problem" mimicking and mocking and rolling of the eyes whenever one of the " problem" is mentioned or in the room, they are the laughing stock and it is commonly accepted that they always have been. One very high profile ex player known for his comedic efforts used to have the entire squad in raptures with his impressions and piss takes, it was hilarious watching the "problem" even laugh along thinking it was a case of mimickery being the best form of flattery, it wasn't it was a piss take that is well known among the Sydney league world and this "problem" as a whole is the main reason players do not wish to come to the club. Not coaches, not the ceo, not the players or our hopes of fielding a strong team, but the "problem" one must play under and tolerate when one comes to the shire.

To win comps, a club must contain respect from the top down. There has been no respect earned at the club by certain sections and until that's the case, the recruiting situation will remain.

Never have truer words been written here! It probably irks you a bit to have to write it as I know you'd rather be upbeat but you're 100% correct.
Yet people are happy to bowl along under the impression that all is rosy.

The fish rots at the head as the old cliche says. Ours is a long slow rot.

Everytime the broom goes through the Sharks it misses the worst of the dust. probably because the dust holds the broom handle.

 

[black_dot]

Yes ! the dust is holding the broom handle, exactly right Sparrow !

I touched on it earlier this month when talking about VARIABLES. How many variables have been changed at the club in the past 10 years in an effort to win the cup, and how many CONSTANTS remain ?

The longer the constants remain the more chance that the constants ar ethe problem for mine.

IT does Irk me mate, it irks me for alot of reasons, mainly becuase it's difficult to hold that opinion, and express it becuase I truly believe the clubs best interests are at stake, the problem is that one must seperate these issues. I have alot of respect and time for anyone that has put into the sharks club what many people have, I also don't question for one minute their desire and love of the club and their intense want for success in a premiership, they are fans and lovers of the blue black and white like all of us. SO yeah, it irks me incredibly to be critical and to harp on the point but it's just getting to an obvious conclusion ! It is harsh reality, players that have been let go in the past have loved the club and given their all and really wanted to hold the cup aloft too, coaches that have been let go are the same, so at the end of the day, the people we talk of Sparrow are not immune from those harsh calls either are they ?

and whilst they can sit back and say to a sacked player " well, we didnt want to see you go, but you have to understand, that's football son etc etc" Then they must also accept that sacrifices that are made for the betterment of the club do not have boundaries or an "immunity" necklace, and the higher your responsibilty and accountability through your positions and leadership, the more willing you must be to accept your role may be a contributing factor.

Unfortunately the opposite has been the case.

 

[BWNB]

i have a feeling that mason will sign up with us in the next couple of weeks.
but do we need him in our team to win a premiership?

 

[Frenzy.]

Sorry if I didn't explain it the best way. I meant that we don't need to attract MANY players compared to some other clubs, ie warriors, storm, Tigers, Souths, canberra. We obvioulsy need imports but IM saying we really only need 2 big name "imports" at any given stage just to put the cherry on the top of some very good locally based , and junior purchased squads over the years. Our current team is one of the most imported shire teams in recent history wouldnt you say ?

Noddy, Nuts, Hutch, Bails, Gallen, Vagana, Covell, Sullivan, Stosic, Leuluei just off the top of my head. That's 10 regular 17 run on spots there. So I don't feel in that light we need many more.

It wasnt long ago we had a team of local juniors basically winning the minor premiership.

The Minor premiership is nothing though. Are you aware we have only ever won 1 semi final as minor premiers? That was played at Toyota.

The problem affects the juniors as well. The Sharks juniors are one of the softest going around. Our juniors traditionally do not produce outstanding players in certain positions. Most of our props are imports because the juniors doesn't produce them. A part of that is because the kids are made to play soft. We don't produce A1 class halfbacks. All our best ones have been imports.

I'm sure now some of those who argue for the sake of it will throw up one or 2 names but they won't be top echelon players.

The reason we need to import is because the Shire produces very few NRL class footballers these days, as compared to times you refer to. Many of the ones that are don't get given a chance soon enough, if at all.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

More lies the players and staff have the weekend off, you conspiracy therioes are tiresome!

so you are saying that the meeting didnt happen Mighty sharks?
As imple yes or no for the record will suffice.
If you dont answer we will take that you saying the meeting didnt happen between the coach & the board.

 

[black_dot]

INteresting about the softness of the juniors sparrow. You have a far better knowledge of the week to week junior footy in the shire than I do and Its the first time I've heard that observation made, but I believe you. It wuld explain alot fo things. Is it true to say that we have a LARGE junior base , but do not ,as you say breed the high quality of toughness needed to go on ?

Been a long time since I can remember a junior produced hardman up front of the pack, I don't include hookers in that , I mean big men, Deano would have something to say about that !

 

[MightySharks]

Endeavour high

 

[MightySharks]

so you are saying that the meeting didnt happen Mighty sharks?
As imple yes or no for the record will suffice.
If you dont answer we will take that you saying the meeting didnt happen between the coach & the board.

There may well have been a meeting its the "crisis" part Da vinci talks about that is a gee up and another exaggerated truth and the players have the weekend off. How does he know it was a crisis meeting?

 

[Frenzy.]

INteresting about the softness of the juniors sparrow. You have a far better knowledge of the week to week junior footy in the shire than I do and Its the first time I've heard that observation made, but I believe you. It wuld explain alot fo things. Is it true to say that we have a LARGE junior base , but do not ,as you say breed the high quality of toughness needed to go on ?

Been a long time since I can remember a junior produced hardman up front of the pack, I don't include hookers in that , I mean big men, Deano would have something to say about that !

You only have to look at how Shire teams perform in junior knockouts. Not local ones, but when we have to come up against Penrith and Parra and the like.

The kids are shellshocked. They are not prepared at all for the greater level of toughness. Cronulla teams rarely win those type of competitions.

We also have more parental involvement (read interference if you subscribe to the great Jack Gibson). There are negatives to this as well as positives. There seem to be large numbers of single mothers with kids in league these days. That has an influence on how kids play.

There is a lack of qualified coaches and junior clubs give the better coaches to the best teams where I believe with kids you give the better coaches to the kids that need to learn.

Our numbers are way down dottie. From around 300+ teams in the 70s when we did have large junior numbers in the grade teams to 166 teams now.

There are 84 teams in competitive mini and mod league - U/8 - U/12

There are only 61 teams from U/13 to U/18, the years when kids get set up for grade.

Then there are 21 teams in the has been comps. U/21, A res, and A Grade.

When you consider how many kids actually make the grade those numbers are very small.

In 38 years that the Sharks have been around has the CSDJRLF ever produced a representative prop or halfback? I don't know the answer BTW but I'd be interested to know.

As far as I can work out we have only produced 3 Australian representative forwards from the juniors PERIOD.

Not a good strike rate.

 

[Frenzy.]

Endeavour high

I knew you'd come up with that. Why? Stupidity and ignorance again.

Endeavour High is not a Sharks junior school and you can count on one hand the Sharks juniors in the team.

It is an elite sports high school open to kids from all over Sydney. There are more Roosters juniors in that side.

Now go away.

 

[Frenzy.]

There may well have been a meeting its the "crisis" part Da vinci talks about that is a gee up and another exaggerated truth and the players have the weekend off. How does he know it was a crisis meeting?

It's not a gee up. The players having the weekend off is irrelevant. How I know is none of your business and you won't be smart enough into tricking me into saying, because I don't answer to you and don't have to justify myself to you.

It has already been discussed here and demonstrated how we do not attract big names to the club and the club is at least smart enough to have seen that this will impact badly in the immediate future as a long list of players prepares to leave, retire or get punted over the next few years (including this year).

I smell jealousy.

 

[pogo]

the fish rots from the head hey ?

thats a dig at the board is it jack sparrow or a dig at the club president?

or both?

 

[Frenzy.]

Board. Most of them have been there longer than Barry who has really just been absorbed into their malaise. That happens easily when you say yes too often.

 

[MightySharks]

It's not a gee up. The players having the weekend off is irrelevant. How I know is none of your business and you won't be smart enough into tricking me into saying, because I don't answer to you and don't have to justify myself to you.

It has already been discussed here and demonstrated how we do not attract big names to the club and the club is at least smart enough to have seen that this will impact badly in the immediate future as a long list of players prepares to leave, retire or get punted over the next few years (including this year).

I smell jealousy.

This is all code for I have no proof. It is simple the club had no crisis meeting. We are in the top four and all the negativity from some supporters is not needed but it will not stop the club from gaining a top four spot.