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The world's gayest nation

salivor

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Yes this silent majority is just waiting to rise up :lol: . Termy do you ever get tired of posting unproven rubbish?
 

Terminator

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salivor said:
Yes this silent majority is just waiting to rise up :lol: . Termy do you ever get tired of posting unproven rubbish?

Its not rubbish at all Salivor, most people have had an utter gutful of all the damage that is being called socially by the PC elect.
 

salivor

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Oh I'm with ya brother :lol: . An anti-gay rising is on the horizon.
I hate to break it to you termy but single issue parties don't do well at the polls, they either don't get elected or are only minority parties within parliament.
 

JoeD

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I'm just glad there is a copy and paste function so I don't have to keep typing the same thing.

Termy, Goangod, lets just for a second say that your gay conspiracy theory is true. Does the promotion of homosexuality by these powerful people actually convince heterosexuals to 'turn' gay?
 

bazza

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terminator007 said:
Labor is to blame.

How can you blame Labor for all these perceived problems?

This is a party that has been out of power for almost 10 years at federal level.

If you are going to blame a political party why don't you blame the Coalition? Afterall they have been in power for close to 10 years and hold a majority in the house of Reps
 

bazza

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terminator007 said:
Keating pushed through most of the Gay issues in Parliment, not surprisingly..

What gay issues did he push through?

Why hasn't John Howard and the coalition overturned these issues during his 10 year reign? Is Howard part of the homosexual conspiracy too?
 

salivor

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Termy, can you keep a straight story? First it was gay politicians with some hidden agenda, when it was proven that there were only a couple that held very little power the story changed to gay high court judges with a secret agenda. When it was proven there was only one the story switched to your usual line, its all labors fault. A very weak line of argument. So far nobody has shown us who it is that is promoting this gay lifestyle as a healthy alternative.
 

ozcrusader

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In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay-rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First, let the camel get his nose inside the tent — and only later his unsightly derriere!”
Kirk, Erastes Pill, The Overhauling of Straight America


Hi Joe,
I have deliberately not answered your question until I have the time to give it the attention it deserves – it is a very serious subject

I could quote here extensively from various Christian websites about the homosexual agenda, but instead, I will use the words of homosexuals themselves – most of the quotes are from the homosexual manifesto entitled ‘After the Ball” written by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, Harvard-trained experts in neuropsychiatry and social marketing (After the Ball:How America Will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s (New York, NY: Doubleday, 1989))

The original article, which was later made into a book, can be found here
(http://www.sphi.com/the_gay_agenda.htm)

The first question to ask is, how can something, which less than a generation ago was considered grossly abnormal and disgusting, have achieved widespread social acceptance today? Explaining "How the Gay-Rights Movement Won," Norman Podhoretz traces the success of homosexual activism.

"For not so long ago," he reflects, "and even within the most advanced sectors of the culture, it was still taken pretty much for granted that homosexuality was, quite simply, a perversion."

The answer lies in a very effective campaign waged by homosexual activists to portray homosexual behaviour as normal, natural and merely a ‘lifestyle choice’. Has this succeeded? One need only look at the responses by posters on this board to know that it has -they draw directly on homosexual propaganda for their content.

There are 3 ways in which homosexuals activists have successfully promoted the homosexual agenda:
1. Using the media
Including ensuring gay related stories and issues receive favourable coverage, ensuring that gay characters, stories and relationships are prevalent in popular television and by not reporting stories, issues and scientific evidence negative to the gay community.
2. Using homosexuality as a civil rights issue
Gays have successfully portrayed themselves as an oppressed, struggling, minority, who are being denied civil rights and need protection from the law. This identification with the civil rights movement has been the most successful hallmark of gay propaganda and includes calls for ‘diversity’ and ‘tolerance’
3. Promotion of homosexuality to students
Lastly and perhaps most disturbingly, homosexuals have been very active in schools, promoting homosexuality as a valid and healthy lifestyle. Children are encouraged to adopt the homosexual lifestyles and thousands of schools now contain ‘Homosexual Clubs’

1. Use of the Media
At the core of our program is a media campaign to change the way average citizens view homosexuality
After the Ball

Homosexuals have been exceptionally adept at using the media to portray their behaviour as normal, and anyone who disagrees with their perversions at bigoted and intolerant. This is nothing to do with a ‘gay conspiracy’ in the media – its simple Campaign Theory – anyone who has studied journalism will attest to this.

Historically the problem for the gay community was that the general publics attitude to homosexuality was one of outright revulsion and disgust. The answer then was to "soften the social attitudes of the mainstream" in order to "to gain straight tolerance and acceptance." This would be done by using the media. (After the Ball)

In 1988, a conference of 175 gay rights activists established as its top priority a nation wide media campaign promoting a positive image of homosexuals. In “After the Ball”, the authors made it clear why chose the media as the best instrument of its propaganda

TV's "breadth of audience is unparalleled. Because virtually every household owns a TV set and watches it daily, television reaches more of the public than any other medium."

Today, in Hollywood, homosexuals are routinely portrayed as gallant and courageous individuals who typically must battle against Christians who are depicted as unyielding and hateful persons attempting to force everyone to conform to their standards. As far as desensitization is concerned, the medium is the message--of normalcy. Bit by bit over the past ten years, gay characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs and films.

Last year Entertainment Weekly ran an expose entitled "Hollywood's Gay Power Surge," noting the speed and energy with which Hollywood's homosexual insiders have transformed Tinseltown, its entertainment product, and America's perspective on homosexuality. The article states that "audiences are more accepting of gay entertainment than ever before."

A classic example of this was Ellen – the prime-time revelation of "Ellen Morgan" as a lesbian came after weeks of media frenzy and adulation - and after actress Ellen DeGeneres proclaimed her own lesbianism. The whole event was calculated and marketed, with extensive audience testing and a full-scale public relations assault.

This continues today with gay shows such as Will and Grace, the positive portrayal of gays and gay relationships in movies and now, increasingly in music. A good example is the new show “Queer eye for the Straight Guy” Can people imagine the outrage if this show was reversed?

Then of course there is “Queer a Folk” which includes depictions of oral sex, group sex, bisexuality, pornography, prostitution and sadomasochism.

Tony Jonas, one of Queer As Folk’s producers, said he was unapologetic about the show’s overt sexuality, admitting to The New York Times, “We pushed this as far as we could go.” He added, “We don’t have to apologize for or whitewash or pretend what gay sexuality is all about.”

This is conforming exactly to the principles espoused in ‘After the Ball”;
"to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can’t shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet." (P. 149)

Secondly, one must look at the favourable coverage gays receive in the mainstream pres and why – Joseph Farah explains

One of the most effective pressure groups in this brave new media world is the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association….Have you ever wondered why coverage of homosexuals and their cause is so universally positive? Now you know. The NLGJA's president works at the Dallas Morning News. One vice president works at CNN. Another works at Newsday. The treasurer works at the New York Times. The secretary works for USA Today… Barbara Walters, Lesley Stahl, New York Times Publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger ….all participate in NLGAJA events.
Joseph Farah, WorldNetDaily.com, August 9, 2000

However, the media is not just a tool for promoting gay causes – another important element is the refusal to publish materials that show homosexuality in a negative light. For example, in 1999, an Annals of General Psychiatry studies correlating homosexuality with significantly higher levels of mental illness than among the population at large. Not one single newspaper story in the United States reported either of the two studies.. By 1996 the press rarely covered scientific research unfavorable to gay activists while repeatedly citing those studies that allege bi/homosexuality is healthy and biologically determined.
(David Ferguson, John Horwood, Annette Beautrais, “Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People,” 56, 10 ARCHIVES OF GENERAL PSYCHIATRY, 876 - 880 Oct. (1999); Richard Herrell, et al., “A Co-Twin Control Study in Adult Men.” 10 ARCHIVES OF GENERAL PSYCHIATRY, 867 - 874 Oct. (1999).)

The coverage of the murder of Matthew Shepard is another good example. Shepard has become the poster boy of gay rights activist everywhere and this case received widespread media coverage everywhere. On the other hand, the press ignored the nearly simultaneous rape-murder of a 13-year-old Arkansas boy, Jesse Dirkhising found “bound, gagged….repeatedly raped in a sado–masochistic ritual” by two trusted homosexual “partners”--friends of the child’s mother. Likewise, the press ignored the 1997 rape/murder of Jeffrey Curley, age 10, by two homosexual “partners” until the parents filed a $200 million lawsuit against the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). (Boston Globe Electronic Publishing, Inc., May 18, 2000, and 1800 745 2747, The Concentric Network, May 17, 2000.)

In his book on boy prostitution, For Money or Love, liberal reporter Robin Lloyd, confirms that the press suppresses police reports of raids and arrests of adults preying on young boys:
[The police raids] usually go unreported by the press. Both wire services, the Associated Press and the United Press International, file the stories to their clients (newspapers, radio stations, and television stations), but the stories are always preceded with the cautionary “EDITORS” (NOTE NATURE OF THE STORY).” Editors do…and often elect not to use them.

http://www.tased.edu.au/tasonline/tasqueer/behind/media1.html
Check out this link as one closer to home.

2. Identification with the civil rights movement – diversity, tolerance and oppression

"In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. Few straight women, and fewer straight men, will be bold enough to defend homosexuality per se. Most would rather attach their awakened protective impulse to some principle of justice or law, some general desire for consistent and fair treatment in society."
(After the Ball)

The greatest single victory of the gay movement over the past decade has been to shift the debate from behavior to identity, thus forcing opponents into a position where they can be seen as attacking the civil rights of homosexual citizens."
From The Homosexualization of America,
by homosexual activist Dennis Altman

Without a doubt, the most successful tactic by homosexual activists has been the identification of gays with oppressed minorities, such the civil rights movements for blacks and women .

Homosexuals believe that they are entitled to special ‘rights’ and ‘protections’ under the law. The key difference here is that for both blacks and women – their condition is state of being, of existence. For homosexuals, they are seeking protection for a type of behaviour

The assertion that homosexuals are a true minority group is false. Minority
status has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court based on three criteria and homosexuality fails in ALL three:

1. Economic Deprivation — Those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle are
among the most advantaged people in the U.S. On average, they have a higher per capita income than heterosexuals, and higher household incomes. (Wall Street Journal, February 10, 1989, and New York Times, August 22, 1990.)

2. Political Powerlessness — Homosexuals demonstrate great influential
political power far beyond their actual numbers. The Human Rights Campaign Fund has annually donated millions of dollars to candidates, more than most other non-corporate PACs (The Economist, April 24, 1993). Media news and entertainment coverage is overwhelmingly favorable.

3. Immutable Characteristics — Minority groups share unchangeable,
benign, non-behavioral traits such as race, ethnicity, disability or national origin.

Gay activists insist that opponents of gay entitlements are "trying to impose their morality" on society. However, what privilege allows gay extremists and their supporters to aggressively force on all people special advantages and protected class status for their sexual fantasies and agenda?

Gays have succeeded to such an extent that in some parts of the world, it is now a CRIME to condemn homosexuality as sinful. A person can be arrested for voicing an opinion. (http://www.crrange.com/wall57.html)
And here I was thinking gays were all about ‘acceptance’ and ‘tolerance’. :roll:

It has now come to mean that if you state you believe homosexuality is wrong because of your moral, family or religious beliefs you are homophobic. If you read medical reports and conclude that homosexual behaviour is unhealthy you are now homophobic. In fact, any kind of objection to homosexuality is derided as ‘homophobic’ . Indeedthe first repose of Salivor and others on this thread, was to call my comments homophobic rather than addressing their content.

Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme. The right to free speech, freedom of beliefs, freedom of association, due process and equal protection of laws-these should be the concerns brought to mind by our campaign.
(After the Ball)

In short, those who advocate homosexuality as a viable lifestyle choice equal to that of traditional heterosexual marriages label as bigoted, hateful and homophobic those who disagree with them; regardless if those disagreeing base their objections on sound logic, practical concerns or moral reasons.

Let’s see what After the Ball has to say:
Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and assholes - people who say not only ‘twig’ but ‘n****r,’ ‘kike,’ and other shameful epithets - who are ‘not Christian.’ It can show them being criticized, hated, shunned. It can depict gays experiencing horrific suffering as the direct result of homohatred . . . ." (P. 151)

The tactic of gays appealing to ‘diversity’ and ‘tolerance’ to further the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle has been well documented – there have been countless cases of people being fired from their jobs or silenced in some way from voicing their objections to homosexuality – all in the interests of diversity.

“When a diversity consultant in 1994 asked whether some employees might be reluctant to undergo sensitivity training on homosexuality, openly homosexual U.S. Patents and Trademark Commissioner Bruce Lehmen replied: It's got to be forced down their throats. If they want to be bigots, they can go work for someone else's department. “
Washington Times, 9/8/94

Let’s see what else has been achieved in the name of ‘diversity’
In 1973, the APA removed homosexuality from its diagnostic category of mental illnesses. This action came not as a result of new research and findings, but was ultimately brought about by a militant protest staged by activists at the APA annual convention. In other words, intimidation was a key motivation. In fact, only 16% of the entire APA membership actually voted in favor of the radical change.
(Dr. James Mallory, Head of Psychiatric unit – Rapha Center, Atlanta, GA, Homosexuality; Ronald Bayer, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis (NY: Basic Books, 1981),
101-54; William Dannemeyer, Shadow in the Land (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1989), pp. 24-39. )

Its is clear then that homosexuals are no longer interested in ‘tolerance’ from society – they want approval and promotion of their lifestyle and will not accept any criticism of it.

Additionally, homosexuals have successfully managed to vilify anyone who opposes them:
To be blunt, they must be vilified. Our goal is here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream's self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.

The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; menacing punks, thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the "androtops" they have killed or would like to kill; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.

3. Promotion of homosexuality to students

Millet calls for “an emancipation proclamation for children” to legalize what she calls children’s “non-exploitive” sex with adults or children, “probably heroic and very wonderful.”
Paidika, The Journal of Pedophilia’s “Special Woman’s Issue,”

Now protected by federal and state law, homosexual “guides” teaching “tolerance,” “sexual diversity” and such, frighten susceptible child audiences with Alfred Kinsey’s fraudulent claim that, “at least one in ten of you are gay.” Scientific research has put the number of homosexuals as between 1.5 – 3%. Objectors to these ‘diversity’ programs and homosexual school clubs are labeled “homophobic” fascists. Parents and others who offer any criticism of the programs are regularly accused of homophobia and endangering students’ safety. Supporters are rewarded with love, approval and inspiring encouragement to be “gay and proud.”

But just what are children being taught?

PROJECT 10, named after Alfred Kinsey’s (1948) estimate that 10% of the population is exclusively homosexual has become a district-wide and nation-wide forum for lesbian, gay, and bisexual teenagers.

38% of the short stories in ONE TEENAGER IN 10, (the standard, sexually-explicit text commonly given to PROJECT 10 students) celebrated child-adult sexual activity. This gay-school text legitimizes child sexual abuse and cites the children as aggressors as in, when “I was twelve [and] my dance teacher… brought me out;” I was in “seventh grade” when I moved in with my “32-year-old-lover;” or "I was in “fourth grade” and had sex with “my uncle;” “I’m fifteen,” and have sex with “this guy Reggie, who is 23,” etc..) COMING OUT OF THE CLASSROOM CLOSET, See also Ann Heron, Ed., ONE TEENAGER IN 10, Warner Books, New York, 1983,

In Massachusetts, Department of Education employees are reported as “describing the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop, March 25, 2000.” Homosexual lecturers described the fun of “fisting,” (putting ones fist and arm into another’s rectum) in libidinous, pornographic detail. The following is censored - A transcript appears in The Massachusetts News.
[“It's] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with...[and] to put you into an exploratory mode."

Prior to the 1950s, the view was of homosexuality as a disorder caused by early familial and/or sexual trauma – this has now changed into the view of homosexuality as normal and children as “born gay” with not one shred of scientific evidence to back this claim up. This is now the foundation of teaching our children that homosexuality is as safe, healthy and viable as heterosexual behaviour.

The on-going media campaign effect is also visible in the eight-year shift from youthful rejection to acceptance, even practice of homosexuality. A recent “teen poll” conducted by the establishment upscale media teen magazine Seventeen, claimed that 17% of teens polled in 1991 versus 54% polled in 1999 accept homosexuality as appropriate. Seventeen casually noted: “Teens today are likely to experiment: 21%… have fantasized about fooling around with someone of the same sex—and 15% say they have actually done so.” [16]
Seventeen Magazine, May 2000, p. 214.

To change public attitudes toward homosexuals, as documented in ‘After the Ball’, activists must target an “unbigoted” audience, with the most unbigoted audience being children. It is also worth noting the Seven DEMANDS of the Homosexual Agenda as set forth and distributed at the "Gay Pride" March on Washington, D.C., April 25, 1993.

1. Demand the repeal of all sodomy laws and legalization of all forms of sexual expression. (Including pedophilia, changing age of consent laws to allow sex with youth.)

3. Demand the legalization of same sex marriages, and legalization of adoption, custody, and foster care within these structures.

5. Demand that contraceptives and abortion services be made available to all persons, regardless of age.

6. Demand taxpayer funding for artificial insemination of lesbians and bisexuals. Forbid religious based concerns regarding homosexuality from being expressed [as is already the case on radio & TV in Canada].

It is clear then, that by marketing homosexuality as another alternative to children, by the introduction of thousands of gay clubs at schools and by the mandating under law of 'diversity' and 'tolerance' programs - homosexuality is being promoted to children.

Lastly…….

(We argue that . . . gays should be considered to have been born gay - To suggest in public that homosexuality might be chosen is to open the can of worms labelled ‘moral choice and sin’ and give the religious Intransigents a stick to beat us with. Straights must be taught that it is as natural for some persons to be homosexual as it is for others to be heterosexual: wickedness and seduction have nothing to do with it. And since no choice is involved, gayness can be no more blameworthy than straightness. . . ."
 

salivor

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Even when you sober up termy it probably won't be of much interest to you because it doesn't blame gay polliticians, gay high court judges or the dreaded labor party :lol: .
 

Terminator

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Oh no not the gays again, on the bus home from work I was reading a very good book, one of Gemmels, best fantasy writer ever I think, and I didnt notice this person that sat behind me at first, but then I got the impression it was a girl, so I turned around slightly to scan her and it was a guy, a gay dude with a beard that checked me out in the split second of eye contact, bleech! Back to the book.
 

JoeD

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It is a long post however in terms of my original question it can be summed up in a few words. Who is promoting homosexuality? Gay people are. Is this a surprise to anyone? :roll:

As for the second part of my question - Does this promotion 'turn' straight people into gays? I don't think that was answered however with so much info given I may have overlooked it.
 
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terminator007 said:
Oh no not the gays again, on the bus home from work I was reading a very good book, one of Gemmels, best fantasy writer ever I think
lol, I've never read this thread before (I am blind to stickies), but I have to agree terminator, Gemmell's a top writer when he's on song. Legend is one of my all-time favourite books.

Anyway, back to your regular programming. :D
 

Terminator

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eternaltreblinka said:
terminator007 said:
Oh no not the gays again, on the bus home from work I was reading a very good book, one of Gemmels, best fantasy writer ever I think
lol, I've never read this thread before (I am blind to stickies), but I have to agree terminator, Gemmell's a top writer when he's on song. Legend is one of my all-time favourite books.

Anyway, back to your regular programming. :D
Its the first one Ive read, I was reading a really interesting part it was so tragic my eyes were watering thats how good Gemmel is, the disqusting gay guy ruined it a bit.
 

Anonymous

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salivor said:
Even when you sober up termy it probably won't be of much interest to you because it doesn't blame gay polliticians, gay high court judges or the dreaded labor party :lol: .
lol. what is about the High Court judges who fancy a bit of night clubbing? Not to forget the right wing religious leaders who are prone to donning the odd frock.
Yes offcourse... in that case its a personal choice. :lol:
 

salivor

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Goangod - Joes still waiting for an answer to his question which is: "Does this promotion 'turn' straight people into gays? I don't think that was answered however with so much info given I may have overlooked it.".
 

ozcrusader

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salivor said:
Goangod - Joes still waiting for an answer to his question which is: "Does this promotion 'turn' straight people into gays? I don't think that was answered however with so much info given I may have overlooked it.".

The answers to your questions are in my post.
If you can't be bothered to read it to find them, that's not my problem.
 
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