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Knightmare

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I virtually just walked through the door after walking out of Jupiters' here on the Goldy after the Broncos went 28-18 up. Last time I walked out of a game early was back in 2007 when Penrith thrashed us at home with a weakened team. Yeah this is a rant, but what of it? I'm a patient person with no time for glory hunting or plastic support, but even I have my limits.

I'm done for this season. Hopefully come 2016 something will change- perhaps the board will wake up to the fact that recruitment from outside the Hunter fishbowl is actually a done thing these days? Perhaps recruitment (and results) will reflect this new-found attitude at last? But I'm not hopeful. Anybody calling me fair-weather can shove it. I stayed until the final buzzer back in 2002 when Cronulla put 50 on us. I did the same in 2007 when the Broncos scored with virtually every set of 6 in the Suncorp massacre. I handed Brian Smith a note offering my support back at the NRL fan-day in '08 after certain media hacks hauled him over the coals with every bullshit smear they could use against him for doing exactly what f**king job has needed to be done for the past 15 years. I've faithfully attended whatever games I could make up here in SEQ, and back in Sydney/ Newcastle when I'm down that way.

So I've endured a lot, but tonight was the last straw. I expected them to derp it up. Even cruising at 18-6 I wasn't confident. Then Jack Reed scores and the rest felt oh-so-inevitable. I sat there for the next 15 minutes, my patience tested. Then they scored that try to go 10 points ahead and I just thought "What's the f**king point?"

I can tolerate losses. I can tolerate being a shitty team. What I can't take is the complete lack of care displayed time and again- not just this season, but seemingly 4 out of every 5 seasons since 2001. I don't know why, but there seems to be a huge disconnect between the attitude on here and the attitude I see from so many of these useful idiots, content to paint their faces and take a million selfies at the game every fortnight with the same old "Bad luck boys" lip service and tolerance of a new 80-minute instalment of mediocrity. The Knights board should spend less time casting an eye over these people, and more time on here. I'm not even joking. This place is a breath of fresh air- but that's the problem. You know why?

Because if I were to vent my thoughts at the club or these fans, they would turn away and say something like 'Who does he think he is? He's not even from round here!' Right there. It's evident in the direction (or lack of direction) the club takes. It's evident in their almost decidedly mediocre approach to chasing the ultimate goal. Season after season after season. Too many people in the club, to this day, are still filthy with the likes of Warren Ryan, Brian Smith and even Wayne Bennett- heck, even Tinkler was bold enough to try and turn this place around. His judgement may have been a bit off ultimately, but at least he tried!

Unlike this current mob, who care about nothing but working alongside their old mates week in, week out. Who cares about showings like tonight? Who cares about a complete lack of heart from the players? Who cares about the fact that, aside from Premiership virgins Cronulla, North Qld, Gold Coast and the Warriors, only Parramatta and Canberra have longer Premiership droughts than us? As long as it's all local boys with their job in the NRL, all is good with the world, right?

Growing up, I was proud to support the Knights. It wasn't about supporting a successful team- if I just wanted to back a good team I would've jumped on the Raiders or Manly or the Broncos back in the 90's. It was about being proud to follow a team with a reputation throughout the League as being a side full of guts, who understood that it was about wearing the colours with pride and representing their town. It was reciprocated in the fans, too- remember the bus/ train loads who'd flock to Sydney every second weekend? We were "everybody's second favourite team". No matter what ground in NSW- Penrith or the SFS or even a day-trip down the Hume to Canberra- you'd see full bays of us, decked out in red and blue, there to lend full voice to the boys, who would (often) repay the effort by getting a win on the road, or at least doing everything they could to achieve it.

Contrast that to now, and saying you support the Knights is more or less a source of shame and pity. The good old days I mentioned are long behind, and instead the team is now known as little-more than a rabble full of also-rans, just another fixture in the NRL season schedule for away fans. We're virtually irrelevant to the wider NRL scene, outside of our supporter base. People can hate on Canterbury, Manly, St George or Souths all they want, but at least those teams are usually relevant- even if they're having a shit season, they're still a focal point. I wish I could follow a team as relevant to the wider Rugby League community as that. I'm not going to say they're even relevant in the Hunter- most of the 13-25 year olds can't be bothered with this club- their hometown club. The same local club the generation before them were famously passionate about- but is it any wonder why it's come to that? Supporting the Knights, wearing merchandise and going to games showing your support is seen as peculiar and (to be honest) more than a bit uncool. The kid who stays inside 12 hours a day playing W.O.W or Skyrim is higher up on the social scale than the kid who wears his jersey, takes his flag to the game and declares his support for the Knights on social media. When it comes to the modern NRL, we rival the Newtown Jets for relevance- but even then lack the 'hip' appeal. I'd like to say I'm joking, but it's not too far off the truth. Going to games isn't fun. Watching them usually leads to feeling as if I've wasted 2 hours of my life. The thing is: I could tolerate all of this if the club at least gave a shit about trying to be successful. Following the team back in 2008-09 was a highlight (under Brian Smith) because although the Knights weren't on the same level as Manly or Melbourne, they at least had a dig, and often got a result from it.

But these days, predicting our season is like predicting what colours each Wiggle will take to the stage in. If more of the faithful stopped acting like we were just 'unlucky' every game like tonight and started demanding accountability from the club, maybe things would turn around? Maybe the board would listen to these people based on their postcode? But for the meantime, looking at the upcoming fixtures each weekend feels near pointless- Souths or Cronulla or Brisbane or Melbourne or Penrith- who cares? Only similar rabble like the Tigers look beatable compared to us. That's not something to celebrate!

I really, truly hope that there will come a time where the board and the players are not necessarily local or from the old boys network- but they reflect the ethos those old boys played under: Be the player the bloke next to you wants to play with. That's all I ask and (evidently) what a lot of other people on here ask for. For now though? I'm almost relieved having reached this point where I truly couldn't give a shit about the remainder of our season.

Wayne Bennett is on the flight home to Brisbane right now, reclining in his comfy seat 10,000 feet up, looking out over the darkened sky and quietly pleased he chose the path he did last year. Far down below, however, I'm willing to bet Allan Macmahon is turning in his grave...
 
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Noname36

First Grade
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Great post mate.

It's a cancer.

It should have died years ago but the NRL won't let us be put out of our misery.

Luckily for me I'm finding I'm caring less and less these days so it doesn't hurt as much. Year after year of absolutely crap and no accountability for it will do that.
 

Burns

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Not much to disagree with at all. There is nothing going on at this club. Our U/20's got flogged 52-12 tonight, two weeks in a row now.

Find myself as interested in the Warriors and the Super League in general as I like the way they play footy. Knights are just meh.

I put in the Crowd thread on the main forum, but this game 4 years ago got 20,000. Only 12,000 there tonight. A entire generation are now used to a failed Newcastle team.
 

Knightmare

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I have family down on the Central Coast (where I grew up) and I can't lie- I'm hoping the NRL will finally admit the Bears because not only would it be much easier for me to attend games when I'm down that way, but I'd at least have a reasonable excuse to invest my passion in another side apart from this rabble. I was born in Norths territory anyway, so perhaps it was destiny all along?

It's really sad in a way, because once upon a time I imagined being an old man one day, taking my kids to Knights games, seeing them develop a passion for the team like I did and still attending the games faithfully, earning respect as an old timer who'd been following the team for decades on end.

But I can't imagine why anybody who wasn't already a fan would ever warm to a team like this. I'm consigned to admitting I only support them out of habit, and because I'm generally loyal- I've spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours following this team over the years- but the older I get, the more I have to re-consider my priorities. Like I said, call me fair-weather all you like, but there comes a time when enough is enough. I almost feel like somebody on the verge of breaking up from a long-term relationship that has become toxic- the only reasons I can think of for staying is memories of good times long ago, and some unreasonable hope that those good times will return. But how long do you continue to let it wear you down?
 
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Seage

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Knightmare, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

What's alarming, as you mentioned, is the apathy us hardened supporters feel after all the mediocrity.

The Roosters semi final two years ago was the only time in the last 10years where there was that old fashion pride and sense of community amongst our whole supporter base. It was nice and I hadnt felt it in a long time. But then it is right back to disconnected apathy.

In one respect I understand this 'employ locals' mentality. Theoretically, people born here should have more natural pride in the jersey. But this is professional sport and that ain't enough when those locals aren't any good. Even though Brian Smith put a much needed broom through the local boys club, I thought the imports he brought in had more togetherness and more of a dig then anything we've seen since (Taia, De Gois, Hilder etc).

I guess what I am trying to say is F*ck the Knights.
 

Misanthrope

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I told friends tonight that I'm done tuning in this year and I mean it. I'm on the road the next 6-7 weeks, and when I get back I'll devote my attention to more pleasant pursuits like forcing shoots of bamboo underneath my fingernails or giving myself papercuts on the taint.
 

aqua_duck

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I agree with everything you said, honestly the Brian Smith years were probably the highlight of the past decade for me, and like you said although we weren't at the level of manly and Melbourne, what you could feel was the wheels of change and progress. Smith didn't get every call right but he wasn't afraid tI make a tough call and got most of them spot on.
Move forward to now and we have a coach who has never dropped an underperforming player in his life, we have a dinosaur ex coach who has never built a side from the ground up, (only run them into the ground) in charge of that role as football manager and a CEO with no experience in any management role, but hey atleast theyre all part of the boys club
 

CycloneSteve

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Absolutely gutted right now....tonight was the icing on the cake for me. I'm done with this season. Not entirely sure why I continue to put myself through watching them play. Maybe I welcome the pain.
I was 12 when the Knights joined the competition. I watched pretty much every home game, busing in from Catherine Hill Bay for 3 years, then Valentine for another year before moving away from the area. I remember the pride in watching them every week, then the pride of telling my new mates (when I moved) that I was from Newcastle and I followed the Knights.
More and more looking forward to August when the NFL kicks off. At least the team I follow there are a winning team with a positive attitude and one that looks to the future. Not a club that buys half-rate players (Micky Paea are you actually f*cking kidding me?????).
I'm actually glad I didn't waste money on a membership this year. It's a joke.
 

Joker's Wild

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The finals run in 2013 showed what this group of players were capable of. Most are still here

How it's all gone so far backwards is astounding
 

Noname36

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Serious question: Has anyone at the club ever been sacked?

Smith chose to leave. Stone was only stood down the first time because we signed Bennett and even then he wasn't sacked. We got poor results under Bennett but the club really wanted him to stay on.

That's just coaching too. Plenty of players that just get extensions regardless of whether they deserved them or not.

The club never makes any decisions. We just sit around waiting for everyone else to make them.

We're the definition of a reactive not proactive organisation.
 
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Swarzey

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The finals run in 2013 showed what this group of players were capable of. Most are still here

How it's all gone so far backwards is astounding

Silly, it was a fluke and shouldn't be mentioned in positive light whatsoever even if it's true.
 

aqua_duck

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Absolutely gutted right now....tonight was the icing on the cake for me. I'm done with this season. Not entirely sure why I continue to put myself through watching them play. Maybe I welcome the pain.
I was 12 when the Knights joined the competition. I watched pretty much every home game, busing in from Catherine Hill Bay for 3 years, then Valentine for another year before moving away from the area. I remember the pride in watching them every week, then the pride of telling my new mates (when I moved) that I was from Newcastle and I followed the Knights.
More and more looking forward to August when the NFL kicks off. At least the team I follow there are a winning team with a positive attitude and one that looks to the future. Not a club that buys half-rate players (Micky Paea are you actually f*cking kidding me?????).
I'm actually glad I didn't waste money on a membership this year. It's a joke.

Who do you go for in NFL? I'm screwed on that front as well, I follow the bengals, seems like I've got a thing for mediocrity
 

perverse

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The finals run in 2013 showed what this group of players were capable of. Most are still here

How it's all gone so far backwards is astounding

We had a good coach, a good leader and a sense of purpose in 2013. We lost our sense of purpose in week 5, we have a piss weak leadership group - with Scott the only consistent leader amongst them, and I've got no idea what shit is running through Stone's head at the moment, the bloke isn't doing anything unless it's forced.
 

macavity

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I agree with everything you said, honestly the Brian Smith years were probably the highlight of the past decade for me, and like you said although we weren't at the level of manly and Melbourne, what you could feel was the wheels of change and progress. Smith didn't get every call right but he wasn't afraid tI make a tough call and got most of them spot on.
Move forward to now and we have a coach who has never dropped an underperforming player in his life, we have a dinosaur ex coach who has never built a side from the ground up, (only run them into the ground) in charge of that role as football manager and a CEO with no experience in any management role, but hey atleast theyre all part of the boys club

Gives me absolutely no optimism about the future of our club that I am probably more qualified to run it than our CEO, and I would have NFI where to start. Actually, I do. Sackings, lots of sackings.

Also, if you objectively think about it, our owners would have been pleased with us losing tonight. Their most popular (monopoly protected no less) club winning in that fashion is good news copy.

Us? As long as we don't cost them one cent more than bare minimum, they are happy.

Unless another Joey comes along (and let's face it, our development would ruin him), we aren't getting any better any time soon.

Depressing.
 

Noname36

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Silly, it was a fluke and shouldn't be mentioned in positive light whatsoever even if it's true.

As fun as that run was I feel it probably briefly glossed over our long-term issues. In all fairness we were pretty average for most of that year too.
 

macavity

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Serious question: Has anyone at the club ever been sacked?

Smith chose to leave. Stone was only stood down the first time because we signed Bennett and even then he wasn't sacked. We got poor results under Bennett but the club really wanted him to stay on.

That's just coaching too. Plenty of players that just get extensions regardless of whether they deserved them or not.

The club never makes any decisions. We just sit around waiting for everyone else to make them.

We're the definition of a reactive not proactive organisation.

Hages was sacked. About 3 years too late, but he was. And then he was rehired in a more senior role.

Even when it comes to shitty players it seems we don't move them on, they just reject our low offers.

Jobs for everybody!
 

Noname36

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Hages was sacked. About 3 years too late, but he was. And then he was rehired in a more senior role.

Even when it comes to shitty players it seems we don't move them on, they just reject our low offers.

Jobs for everybody!

I'd forgotten about Hages getting sacked...probably because like you said we ended up bringing him back in a more head role anyway :crazy:
 

perverse

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It's absolutely dumbfounding that we took Hages back... and put him in charge of more. It's like America voting Bush in again.
 

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