Tinkler makes his final offer

[Pika]

on the other hand the evil powers that be probably devised this nasty plot (to issue bills for what they are owed) in their castle on death mountain....

This made me laugh.

 

[cram]

im of the opinion that being made aware we are actually in a sh!tter state than yesterday would increase the desire to secure our financial future - not reduce it

The thing is B-dos we don't really know the full extent of the acumen of some members to see it the way you do and likewise we don't necessarily know that they will see it as an "ethical issue".

The barometer we do have is comments in the Herald and yesterday they would have been going 99% in favour of this and today its all not as rosy as it was.

How many members are there? I am not sure but I think around 6k. Of those 6k not all will be eligible to vote.

Now of those eligible to vote there are those who will see the forest despite the trees and as Barry Toohey put it a while ago "it's a no brainer".

Then there will be those fence sitters who could go either way, but the real problem is the large % of members of the older generation. You and perverse pointed out to me today that the "siege mentality" is dangerous and is destroying this town and I think that some of the older generation will fit into the siege mentality group and these are the people that we need on board.

Todays events, notwithstanding business acumen, the rights or wrongs etc, etc just play into the hands of the siege mentality faction. That IMHO is a dangerous game to play.

The best thing to come out today was, as TJS pointed out was the Chief etc endorsing it as these guys will have an influence on some older voters.

Maybe I am putting too much emphasis on todays events. I don't know, I just would rather have not seen it happen. Like I said I am in favour of Tinkler's bid and I also have said that it shows he has business acumen and agree with TJS that perhaps this shows passion....will all of the punters understand this...I just don't know.

 

[macavity]

Cram I think the crux of the matter is - if the board supports it, the older generation probably will as well.

If the board don't support it, the older generation probably won't.

Are today's events likely to make the board view Tinkler more favourably?

 

[Alex28]

im of the opinion that being made aware we are actually in a sh!tter state than yesterday would increase the desire to secure our financial future - not reduce it

You are pretneding that the people who will ultimately make this decision have some sort of business acumen and make the decision with the business in mind.

The people who will make this decision think with their heart, and not their head. If they think that some evil business man is bullying their way in to their club they may very well say no.

You have to remember the people making the decision on the future of the club do not necessarily have a business background, do not have any qualifications to properly assess the proposal. They don't even have to understand what they are voting for!

This could be entirely run on emotion. That is why calling in the debt is not only unethical, but potentially a stupid and deal-killing move.

 

[macavity]

no alex, in monocrome world we are all homo economicus.......

 

[Elephant Hunter]

You'd only have to be born yesterday to know what he has planned for the club and community, it's what makes the deal so much more appealing. He has talked at length about what his intentions are and it all seems very genuine and exciting. Ownership of the Knights is only the very beginning of greater things to come and you only have to hear him speak to realise this. He's doing everything he can to begin a new era as quickly as possible and I applaud that, some people may not like it but they're the people who are happy to not be taken seriously by anyone. We need Tinkler to not just survive but to transform us into a powerhouse on and off the field, I can't understand why it hasn't happened yet.

So because Tinkler said he has the best of intentions and makes some nice speeches we should follow him blindly into what ever he says.

As Maca pointed out earlier the ends do not justify the means.

I was much more beleiving of his principals and charitable nature yesterday then today.

You know the other organisation that comes to mind who declared they had the best interests at heart for the land they loved but then behaved unethically in the execution of their plans were the Nazis.

I don't think Tinkler is a Nazi or 'evil' (I don't know him so I can't make a call on what sort of guy he is) but his actions speak louder than his words. His actions today cast some doubt over his methods and principals for me.

Again let me say, I am not against the deal, it probably is the best thing the club can do.

 

[cram]

Cram I think the crux of the matter is - if the board supports it, the older generation probably will as well.

If the board don't support it, the older generation probably won't.

Are today's events likely to make the board view Tinkler more favourably?

You are probably spot on but the boards challenge is to put todays events to one side, can they?

 

[B-dos]

Cram I think the crux of the matter is - if the board supports it, the older generation probably will as well.

If the board don't support it, the older generation probably won't.

Are today's events likely to make the board view Tinkler more favourably?

i'd hope the board base their decision on the merits of the offer

id be rather worried if this decision to call time on his mates rates loan, given the fact we are discussing the financial position of the club, would upset members of the board.

 

[B-dos]

no alex, in monocrome world we are all homo economicus.......

ahh, the old 'anyone who disagrees with me is stupid' attitude

quite telling...

 

[macavity]

i'd hope the board base their decision on the merits of the offer

id be rather worried if this decision to call time on his mates rates loan, given the fact we are discussing the financial position of the club, would upset members of the board.

I would hope so too - but the "merits of the deal" aren't necessarily restricted to what is on paper.

.... in other words, if they think the guy is a prick, are they going to trust him with the club they love?

 

[B-dos]

You are pretneding that the people who will ultimately make this decision have some sort of business acumen and make the decision with the business in mind.

The people who will make this decision think with their heart, and not their head. If they think that some evil business man is bullying their way in to their club they may very well say no.

You have to remember the people making the decision on the future of the club do not necessarily have a business background, do not have any qualifications to properly assess the proposal. They don't even have to understand what they are voting for!

indeed.. the joys of this club structure are limitless.

 

[macavity]

ahh, the old 'anyone who disagrees with me is stupid' attitude

quite telling...

aaah, the old "divert and deflect from the folly of my ideology" attitude....

 

[B-dos]

I would hope so too - but the "merits of the deal" aren't necessarily restricted to what is on paper.

.... in other words, if they think the guy is a prick, are they going to trust him with the club they love?

if the members of the board get upset and cast such petty judgements based on this trivial issue id be rather worried who we have in charge

 

[B-dos]

aaah, the old "divert and deflect from the folly of my ideology" attitude....

folly is your opinion mac

you know, the reason you keep dribbling about my views being monochrome?

 

[Alex28]

if the members of the board get upset and cast such petty judgements based on this trivial issue id be rather worried who we have in charge

Have you not had any involvement with a registered club at any time? These people make decisions BASED on trivial issues!

 

[B-dos]

it wouldnt surprise me in the least alex

though i often hear about how our board is doing a good job under tough conditions. i guess we will soon see if they are competent and seek to see the club suceed or if they choose to risk the club based on petty rubbish.

 

[Dogs Of War]

You'd only have to be born yesterday to know what he has planned for the club and community, it's what makes the deal so much more appealing. He has talked at length about what his intentions are and it all seems very genuine and exciting.

What has he said in this regard. I can only go off what I have read the in the papers. As a Newcastle boy, I would love to see the knights go well each year, they are my second favorite club after all.

 

[Alex28]

it wouldnt surprise me in the least alex

though i often hear about how our board is doing a good job under tough conditions. i guess we will soon see if they are competent and seek to see the club suceed or if they choose to risk the club based on petty rubbish.

In all honesty, I think the club is doing a reasonable job with the business model they inherited. The business model was never going to make the club in to a powerhouse. It was only ever going to allow the club to get by because it has no real assets (other than a lease on a stadium which it cops it from all fronts for dareing to use it for how they see fit) and leaves it at the whim of the fan as to whether it supprts the business or not.

If we had a licenced club like Wests backing us, like the majority of the clubs in the comp do, then we would be fine and wouldn't need Tinkler.

The thing is we do need Tinkler. That deal is really phenomenal and it is the way we need to go. However the average member may not think along those lines.

Mate - the board won't be making the decision. The board could agree it is the way to go and the members could reject it. It is a real proposition.

 

[Yosh]

Holding a gun to the board's head is poor form and unnecessary.
If the deal stacks up it should get through without the nastiness - and if it doesn't stack up, the board are not going to buckle due to attempted intimidation. If anything, it will get their backs up.
It can't be productive - only counter-productive maybe.

I disagree. This isn't kindergarten. It's th real world, you do whatever it is necessary to get what you want! Everything is fair in love and war!

 

[Elephant Hunter]

I disagree. This isn't kindergarten. It's th real world, you do whatever it is necessary to get what you want! Everything is fair in love and war!

True but business is neither Love nor War :lol: