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Titans first game

Deacon

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havent read all the posts though how bout a double header at Suncorp Brisbane v whoever, then the Titans v the team that defeated the Premiers 3 times in 2006 :p
 

Quidgybo

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Feelin Hornby said:
havent read all the posts though how bout a double header at Suncorp Brisbane v whoever, then the Titans v the team that defeated the Premiers 3 times in 2006 :p
Yep, it's already been covered. A double header doesn't make economic sense in a ground that small (!) given the crowds the matches could be expected to attract individually. You'd get one 52,000 sell out crowd instead of 2 x 40,000+ (80,000 for the weekend). Even if each match only drew 30,000 (unlikely) you'd still be better off playing them separately.

Leigh.
 

gcbronco

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Whats Doing said:
The club hasn't even started yet and you are calling them arrogant!! You are kidding. Give them a break and let them decide their own destiny.

Shame they felt the need to try to break up the Bronco's and Cowboy's destiny when they were pushing for a first round match against the Broncos, when the Broncos and Cowboys wanted to continue what is developing into a traditional match up in the first round.
 

Quidgybo

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miccle said:
Seriously I can see where they are coming from, but it still grates on me.
But then unless you're a Titans fan it's not really any of your business. Where they play their matches is their business. And whether they use Suncorp or not is entirely between them and the Queensland government. Their dollars are no different to the QRU's or the Roars'.

If the Central Coast Bears were admitted to the comp and the Newcastle stadium by that time was increased to a 35K capacity, what would everyone think about the Bears playing in Newcastle for their first home match to get a better crowd?
If the ground sitting on the Central Coast was Carrara then I'd have no problem with that. Nor holding the match at Homebush. Yes we can argue that their first game should be on the Coast for the occasion and the fans sake but beyond that, is the situation seriously any different to Geelong in the AFL? They've played their three or four biggest matches at the MCG for donkeys years. Simply because they can get a much bigger crowd than Kardina can accomodate and because they have fans in Melbourne. These are pretty much identical conditions to what the Titans will have. Non-Broncos RL fans in Brisbane and three or four games that will draw signifcantly bigger than Carrara or even their future Robina base. It doesn't make them any less the Gold Coast's team than it makes the Cats any less Geelong's team.

Leigh.
 

Quidgybo

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gcbronco said:
Shame they felt the need to try to break up the Bronco's and Cowboy's destiny when they were pushing for a first round match against the Broncos, when the Broncos and Cowboys wanted to continue what is developing into a traditional match up in the first round.
As far as we know the Broncos and the Cowboys will still meet in round 1 at Suncorp. What the Titan's do on a different day of that same weekend has nothing to do with breaking that tradition. Surely the Broncos and Cowboys match is attractive enough in its own right to stand up to any other event that might be held in Brisbane that weekend?

Leigh.
 

gcbronco

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Quidgybo said:
As far as we know the Broncos and the Cowboys will still meet in round 1 at Suncorp. What the Titan's do on a different day of that same weekend has nothing to do with breaking that tradition. Surely the Broncos and Cowboys match is attractive enough in its own right to stand up to any other event that might be held in Brisbane that weekend?

Leigh.

The Titans originally wanted to play the Broncos at suncorp round 1 to which both the Broncos and Cowboys made pretty clear they didn't want that, yes now it does not prove a problem but thats only because the other two Queensland clubs had other ideas like retaining the traditional first round matchup they had been developing.

In general I dont have a problem with the Titans playing home games at Suncorp, I do however have a problem when they are during rounds that could hamper the Broncos big drawcrowds.
 

Quidgybo

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gcbronco said:
The Titans originally wanted to play the Broncos at suncorp round 1 to which both the Broncos and Cowboys made pretty clear they didn't want that, yes now it does not prove a problem but thats only because the other two Queensland clubs had other ideas like retaining the traditional first round matchup they had been developing.
But was there seriously anything wrong in asking? "Hey it's our first match ever, wouldn't it be a good idea if we played our local rivals first up?" Hardly a reason for "shame" is it? It's not like we've ended up in court or threats of forfeit or anything. It's a beat up, an excuse to have a go at the little kid on the block.

In general I dont have a problem with the Titans playing home games at Suncorp, I do however have a problem when they are during rounds that could hamper the Broncos big drawcrowds.
The Broncos should be big enough to look after themselves by now (after almost 20 years of near exclusivity). A little bit of healthy competition never hurt anyone.

Leigh.
 

Canard

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Are they Cowboys even a drawcard anymore? Everyone forgets that other than 2005 and 2006 they have probably traditionally been the worst drawing away team in the comp.

I think after last years schmozzle a lot of bandwagoners have jumped off also, and a lot of those fans have jumped onto the Tits.

There is a serious danger that only 20K or so will turn up for this game.

If the Titans have a fairly successful year and the Cowboys finish outside the eight as expected, you watch the Broncos drop the Cowboys like a hot potato when it comes to Round 1 next year.
 

miccle

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Quidgybo said:
Surely the Broncos and Cowboys match is attractive enough in its own right to stand up to any other event that might be held in Brisbane that weekend?

Leigh.
I hope so, but only time will tell. 47,000-odd went along to the Brisbane/Cowboys season opener at Suncorp this year. You can't tell me that at least a few of them were more 'neutral' or fairweather fans of either team, or neither team playing on that day. I can tell you there are always countless jerseys from Sydney clubs like Parra, Bulldogs and Saints at Suncorp regardless of who we are playing on any given weekend. Would a number of them look to and prefer going to the Titans historic first ever match on the Friday night rather than Brisbane/NQ on Sunday arvo?
 

gcbronco

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Quidgybo said:
But was there seriously anything wrong in asking? "Hey it's our first match ever, wouldn't it be a good idea if we played our local rivals first up?" Hardly a reason for "shame" is it? It's not like we've ended up in court or threats of forfeit or anything. It's a beat up, an excuse to have a go at the little kid on the block.

Leigh.

Considering it was a response to a remark that people should leave the Titans destiny alone, why shouldn't they leave the Broncos and Cowboys to their destiny and respect that?

Its pretty common knowledge that the past few seasons the Broncos and Cowboys have been building a traditional matchup against each other in the first round of the NRL and lets be honest here for so long until recently the local derbies up here in Queensland have been onesided affairs, finally Cowboy fans have a real feeling of expectation of beating their southern counterparts in the first round to sort out who is king going into the rest of the season and Bronco fans want to prove they are on top too. It's a form of tradition both clubs want to build, should that not be respected?
 

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miccle said:
I can tell you there are always countless jerseys from Sydney clubs like Parra, Bulldogs and Saints at Suncorp regardless of who we are playing on any given weekend. Would a number of them look to and prefer going to the Titans historic first ever match on the Friday night rather than Brisbane/NQ on Sunday arvo?
Quite possibly, but the difference between 47,000 and 42,000 is hardly a mortal blow to their season. A bit of competition might force them work a bit harder to get fans through the gate but again, that's hardly a bad thing - keeps them on their toes.

Leigh.
 

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gcbronco said:
Its pretty common knowledge that the past few seasons the Broncos and Cowboys have been building a traditional matchup against each other in the first round of the NRL and lets be honest here for so long until recently the local derbies up here in Queensland have been onesided affairs, finally Cowboy fans have a real feeling of expectation of beating their southern counterparts in the first round to sort out who is king going into the rest of the season and Bronco fans want to prove they are on top too. It's a form of tradition both clubs want to build, should that not be respected?
I'll repeat again, all they did was ask. Hardly an act of disrespect or one to be ashamed of?

Leigh
 

miccle

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Quidgybo said:
Quite possibly, but the difference between 47,000 and 42,000 is hardly a mortal blow to their season. A bit of competition might force them work a bit harder to get fans through the gate but again, that's hardly a bad thing - keeps them on their toes.

Leigh.

Not a mortal blow by any stretch, but 5,000 still counts for something...
 

Gibbo

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miccle said:
Well Gibbo you are just proving my point more. Robina to Coffs is their target market... reckon those from Tweed to Coffs in particular want their club tying themselves in with the strong Qld/Brisbane image of Lang Park... particulary since those areas are in a whole new freaking state?

Seriously I can see where they are coming from, but it still grates on me.

If the Central Coast Bears were admitted to the comp and the Newcastle stadium by that time was increased to a 35K capacity, what would everyone think about the Bears playing in Newcastle for their first home match to get a better crowd?

Yeah I thought so...

Mate, you must have misread my post; Beenleigh to Coffs is what I said their target market is (for those of you who don't know Beenleigh is about 40min North of the Gold Coast), as opposed to Robina which you stated in your reply (Robina=guts of the Gold Coast).

In regards to people from Tweed to Coffs supporting a side that played a handful of games out of the home of Queensland rugby league each year- i don't think it would be an issue. Every year in Northern NSW a stink gets kicked up about moving the QLD/NSW boarder South because of the fact that places like the Tweed, Lismore and even Coffs are a hell of a lot closer and have much more in common with Brisbane than Sydney.

People shouldn't get so hung up on state boundries, one of the main aims of the Titans is to stop the constant bickering between the CRL and the QRL in regards to local competitions that span the boarder.

Also a main reason the Titans want to draw Northern fans in their first year is to attempt to woo them to travel South for games (particularly in 08) on weekends that the Broncos are playing away. The Titans recognise that most Northern NSW fans are particuarly loyal to rugby league, being home to some of the oldest rugby league clubs in the country. These people are willing and likely to travel some distance to Titans games.
Far North Gold Coast/Southern Brisbane fans on the other hand have for some 20 years had a very successful sporting team to follow in the Broncos, and thus extra efforts are being made to woo them South to the odd Titan game or two.
 

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Canard said:
Are they Cowboys even a drawcard anymore? Everyone forgets that other than 2005 and 2006 they have probably traditionally been the worst drawing away team in the comp
Well exactly. I always understood the logic of playing the Cowboys in Brisbane first up was because they couldn't trust the Cowboys to be going well enough latter in the year to make the match attractive to crowds. Since then, the Cowboys have become competitive so there's not as great an urgency to get the match out of the way early in the year. Unless the Cowboys continue their slide back towards the bottom of the ladder, they could just as safely schedule the match in round 6 or 7 and still get their near sell out. That said, I have no problem with them continuing the opening round Sunday afternoon tradition but neither do I have a problem with breaking it for one year here or there if some extraordinary condition arises (such as the introduction of a new SE Qld team). No one's suggesting any once off change should prevent the tradition from continuing in future years. And no one's even suggesting that it must change at all, even to accomodate an extraordinary condition such as a new team. But there's no harm in discussing it - which is exactly what happened.

Leigh.
 

gcbronco

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Quidgybo said:
Quite possibly, but the difference between 47,000 and 42,000 is hardly a mortal blow to their season. A bit of competition might force them work a bit harder to get fans through the gate but again, that's hardly a bad thing - keeps them on their toes.

Leigh.

5,000 is a considerable number especially when it comes to building up your season averages, it certainly had a factor on the Broncos drawing an average above or below 30,000 last season and it wasn't until the last few home matches where they got great crowds did they cleared it. If some of the saturday games we had this season had an additional 5,000, we would have cleared an average above 30,000 easily and given we are battling the Lions for crowd attendances its in the game interests to have the Broncos and Titans crowd attendances high.
 
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Give the Titans the Sunday Arvo game, and let the Grand Finalists play the Friday Games (Broncos vs Cowboys, Storm vs ?????)
 

miccle

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Honestly, in the interest of really cementing the game up here and putting the Lions down even further I REALLY believe that the Broncos and Titans shouldn't both have home games on the same weekend wherever possible.

Think about it - one NRL game on either the coast or Brisbane EVERY weekend... it'd be a brilliant idea, would ensure massive crowds and the continued growth of the game for at least the first season of the Titans.
 

gcbronco

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Quidgybo said:
I'll repeat again, all they did was ask. Hardly an act of disrespect or one to be ashamed of?

Leigh

I was of the opinion that they approached the NRL before the Broncos and Cowboys to get the go ahead for a first round match I would find that disrespectful to what the Broncos and Cowboys wanted. If thats incorrect then I apologise for it.
 

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