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Todd Carney vs Raiders

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Well, the game is this Saturday night, and lets hope Todd has a shocker. Already the articles are coming from each direction.

Why I couldn't quit booze at Raiders: Todd Carney


FROM the moment reborn Rooster Todd Carney swore off alcohol in January, outraged Raiders fans sprang up in unison and asked: Why now?

Why now ... and not midway through 2008, when Carney refused the same prohibition clause that the Raiders pushed as a condition for him to avoid the axe?

Now - just five days ahead of the most emotional 80 minutes of his career - Carney has finally revealed why Roosters coach Brian Smith succeeded where Canberra officials did not.

"I understand why Raiders fans would be bitter because I've read things where they've wondered why I gave up the grog for another club," Carney said last night. "What I'd like to say is that the Roosters went about it the right way.

"There's two sides to every story and I was actually going to accept Canberra's guidelines. But I wasn't given enough time."

According to Carney, he only had an hour to consider Canberra's behavioural guidelines when the board met to discuss his future after a string of drunken incidents.

"My manager [David Riolo] and I never had time to discuss them properly," he said.

"We met with the board and they told us to go away for lunch for an hour to think about the guidelines.

"But when we came back their decision was made and that was it.

"I would have accepted, because I was going to be suspended for a while anyway and would have had time to work through everything, but we weren't given a chance to talk to them properly."

Asked why Smith had managed to persuade him to make the life-changing sacrifice that is re-igniting his career, Carney said: "He didn't rant and rave and tell me what to do.

"Smithy just sat me down after Airlie Beach [where he singed a friend's buttocks with a lighter on New Years Eve] and said, 'I suggest you give-up the drink'. It was like we were two men looking each other in the eye. He didn't say giving up was the be all and end all - but he said he wouldn't support me if I kept drinking. And at this stage of my career, I just can't afford that."

Until he was sacked, the Goulburn junior never imagined himself lining up against the Green Machine. And that's why Carney scanned the 2010 draw as soon as it was released last year, and found himself staring at this Saturday night's Round Six clash at the SFS. Why a large proportion of Carney's friends and family from Goulburn will be at Moore Park, along with Mick Nasser - the North Queensland publican who adopted the troubled footballer last year.

And while he was "bitter and disappointed" upon splitting with Canberra at first, Carney quickly realised the buck stopped with him. The only lingering resentment is Canberra's refusal to allow him to play NSW Cup last year, a ban that forced him to live and work at Nasser's pub in Atherton.

"But in some ways it's been a blessing in disguise because I've grown up and I'm in a really good place now," Carney said.

"I've now got the mindset that it all happened for a reason.

"This game has always been in the back of my head and I've been thinking about it a lot in the past few weeks.

"Obviously there is a bit of emotion because I never saw myself playing against Canberra. I captained the club and had a lot of great memories.

"Mum's still got my debut jersey and the Aboriginal heritage jersey we wore.

"When I get my house I'll have them put up, because I'm proud of having played for the club.

"I was bitter and disappointed when they first sacked me, but I sat down and realised that I'd made the mistakes and brought the club bad publicity. The only thing I'm still disappointed in is the Raiders wouldn't let me play for a feeder team (NSW Cup) last year."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...ders-todd-carney/story-e6frfgbo-1225852949282

Todd Carney needed to lose it all

Paul Kent From: The Daily Telegraph April 14, 2010 12:00AM

LET'S read the words again: "I would have accepted [the ban] but we weren't given a chance to talk it through properly."

They come from the reformed Todd Carney, and they are designed to explain why he was sacked from Canberra after he refused to accept a drinking ban to stay at the club.

His refusal was an indication of how far he was gone. He walked out on a job he loved - the only job he loved - that paid him $400,000 a year, all so he could have several dozen schooners on a Saturday night.

Most of us found it mad.

But somebody better keep a watch on Todd Carney.

He has made great strides in his return since the Raiders sacked him after he urinated on a man in a nightclub toilet, and then refused to give up drinking as part of the conditions imposed to save his job. Carney claimed yesterday that when the Raiders put the ultimatum to him he and his manager had just one hour to accept the ban.

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It was his way of justifying his silly refusal. It ignores the fact that most of us wouldn't have needed a minute of that hour.

Give up the drink to save my career? Give up the drink and it might save my life?

Carney's hesitation shows he was going downhill fast. And his return to the Roosters and his recent self-imposed alcohol ban show how far back he has come, and a lot of people are hoping he makes it all the way.

Why wouldn't you cheer a young man resurrecting his life?

But Carney had better be careful. There are dangers in his comments that reveal he is not home yet.

The truth is that the Raiders five-point plan was sent to Carney's manager David Riolo three weeks before the meeting.

He had far longer than an hour to decide whether to accept Canberra's guidelines.

That Carney is now willing to risk the ire of the Raiders by claiming they were unfair to him shows he is not completely clear. He knows the Raiders have a dossier as thick as a baby's wrist on his various offences, many of which didn't come to light.

The club has never released it, so why call the club's bluff now?

Carney's nightclub antics were the 26th offence the Raiders had on record. With sponsors threatening to swan-dive off the sinking ship, they had to say enough was enough.

Carney also claimed the motivation behind his recent booze ban, which he was unable to deliver at the Raiders, was that coach Brian Smith spoke to him like a man. Former coach Matthew Elliott sat Carney down and spoke to him about his behaviour a dozen times. Next coach Neil Henry did the same.

These two men knew Carney's tremendous ability as a footballer but also had enough life experience to see the kid was, in the old pub phrase, p ... ing it up against the wall.

They tried.

And - and it seems Carney doesn't want to admit this truth - the Raiders' final ultimatum was also designed to save him.

They ordered him off the grog.

They could see it was the only way to save his career.

He knocked it back.

The reason Carney has given up the drink for the Roosters and not the Raiders is what happened in between.

He lost football.

It took rugby league being taken from Todd Carney's life to save him. But he should remember that many tried to help in the meantime.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...ders-todd-carney/story-e6frfgbo-1225852949282
 

johns_reds

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I agree more with the 2nd article, he had numerous warnings from his 20 odd offences plus from the sounds of it had three weeks to decide, he wanted the easy way out and wanted to go overseas and piss it up and play football at the same time and when that couldn't happen he knew he had to change.

The question is how long can he stay off the booze, i give him a season, next year he'll be out every chance he gets on the drink, i hope for his sake he doesn't though, he has got great talent and shouldn't waste it away on alcohol.
 
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Great article by Kent. I'm really liking his keep it real style articles. Awesome stuff.

I just hope we belt him on Saturday. He deserves to get winded a couple times at least for picking the bottle over his boys.
 

Tom Ace

Bench
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Carney took the wrong approach here.

Just talk about your old club, who clearly gave you plenty of chances, in glowing terms, and leave it at that.
 

Danish

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IMO both parties were completely idiotic in their handling of Carney's numerous issues.

Carney was an out of control dickhead kid. Canberra were like the parents of an out of control kid, excusing away all of his problems and taking no action until 1 day they just snapped and kicked him out.

Perhaps if the Raiders had bit the bullet and dropped him/fined him/did anything when the problems first arose, they might have been able to hold onto their star player. With their "sweep everything under the rug" attitude they allowed themselves to be backed into a corner and force their hand in sacking Carney.

Carney's drinking problems are no one's faulty or responsibility but his own, obviously. However the Raiders certainly could have taken some fairly straight forward steps to hang on to their investment.

I hope the Raiders do go after him though. Having blokes charging out of the line in attempts to smash your play maker leaves plenty of holes for him to put people through.
 
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Perhaps if the Raiders had bit the bullet and dropped him/fined him/did anything when the problems first arose, they might have been able to hold onto their star player. With their "sweep everything under the rug" attitude they allowed themselves to be backed into a corner and force their hand in sacking Carney.

He was in and out of first grade from 04-06. At the time we thought Elliott was being an idiot as usual, but it may of had something to do with Todd's behaviour. I'm not sure.

The Raiders did everything they can for Todd Carney. The board saved his life by sacking him and making sure he was deregistered. It was the only way back for him.
 

typicalfan

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IMO both parties were completely idiotic in their handling of Carney's numerous issues.

Carney was an out of control dickhead kid. Canberra were like the parents of an out of control kid, excusing away all of his problems and taking no action until 1 day they just snapped and kicked him out.

Perhaps if the Raiders had bit the bullet and dropped him/fined him/did anything when the problems first arose, they might have been able to hold onto their star player. With their "sweep everything under the rug" attitude they allowed themselves to be backed into a corner and force their hand in sacking Carney.

Carney's drinking problems are no one's faulty or responsibility but his own, obviously. However the Raiders certainly could have taken some fairly straight forward steps to hang on to their investment.

I hope the Raiders do go after him though. Having blokes charging out of the line in attempts to smash your play maker leaves plenty of holes for him to put people through.
Wow the Roosters are such a benchmark of player behaviour. Jake Friend what a great example, the club and its punishments have worked with him.

My guess is you have no idea how the Raiders treated the decision and it looks like their decision and not the Roosters signing him has fixed his attitude.
 

adamkungl

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Wow the Roosters are such a benchmark of player behaviour. Jake Friend what a great example, the club and its punishments have worked with him.

My guess is you have no idea how the Raiders treated the decision and it looks like their decision and not the Roosters signing him has fixed his attitude.

He's currently working in a sandwich shop. Hasn't been in any trouble since the drink driving incident. What's your point?
 

fred92

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He was in and out of first grade from 04-06. At the time we thought Elliott was being an idiot as usual, but it may of had something to do with Todd's behaviour. I'm not sure.

The Raiders did everything they can for Todd Carney. The board saved his life by sacking him and making sure he was deregistered. It was the only way back for him.
Get over him Bobby, he's gone and not going back. Your club is well endowed with some very talented young players. It just took a change of clubs to straighten him out. Canberra will have a good year without him. stop whinging. It does'nt become you.
 

Edwahu

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Perhaps if the Raiders had bit the bullet and dropped him/fined him/did anything when the problems first arose, they might have been able to hold onto their star player.

they did drop him & fine him on multiple occasions
 

typicalfan

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He's currently working in a sandwich shop. Hasn't been in any trouble since the drink driving incident. What's your point?
My point is it is a little imaginative to think that it is purely because of the Roosters that Todd Carney has been a clean skin for a couple of months.

The Roosters are just the beneficiary of a guy who nearly lost his career nothing more.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Carney will make a goose of himself again. All the good PR doesn't add up to sh*t when you're a moron on the piss.

He's one of the most gifted players going around on the field and a deadset low life off it.
 

Danish

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My point is it is a little imaginative to think that it is purely because of the Roosters that Todd Carney has been a clean skin for a couple of months.

The Roosters are just the beneficiary of a guy who nearly lost his career nothing more.



Who is claiming that??

Carney certainly isn't. I'm certainly not.

My only claim was that IMO the Raiders could have handled Carney in a different manner which ended with them still having him at their club playing good footy and off the drink.
 

gerg

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Who is claiming that??

Carney certainly isn't. I'm certainly not.

My only claim was that IMO the Raiders could have handled Carney in a different manner which ended with them still having him at their club playing good footy and off the drink.

How? Please elaborate.
 

Raider Azz

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^ what he said. The Raiders did absoultely everything they could to get his life back on track - he did ordered community service, he was dropped from first grade numerous times, and when he had f**ked up for the final time they put together a plan to get his life back in order and he rejected it. so he was rightly shown the door. to say that the raiders could have handled the situation better is absolutely ludicrious and shows that carney has not changed one iota and is instead trying to put the blame for his behaviour onto somebody else.
 

Paullyboy

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Who is claiming that??

Carney certainly isn't. I'm certainly not.

My only claim was that IMO the Raiders could have handled Carney in a different manner which ended with them still having him at their club playing good footy and off the drink.

If you were right about the Raiders not disciplining him I'd certainly agree with where you are coming from. But as has been pointed out, he was dropped and fined on multiple occassions - what more would you have liked the Raiders to do?

Carney was a d*ck (and I dare say still is), and the only reason he's temporarily not acting like a d*ck still is because he lost his job. If he doesn't have some form of alcohol-fueled incident this season though, I'll be very surprised.
 

Green Machine

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Josh Massoud has written some garbage over the years. I wouldn’t be surprised after he got all those comments from Carney, that the Telegraph had Paul Kent ready to go with his opinion piece on Carney’s previous atrocities for the next day, to keep the story bubbling along. I hope Todd learns to keep his mouth shut or he could become the new Willie Mason for outrageous comments for the Sydney tabloid media. Next “go to guy” for outrageous comment. This same Telegraph will be waiting for his first slip up to pounce on him.
Can’t say I feel too sorry for him after the BS he fed Josh Massoud,
 

bileduct

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My only claim was that IMO the Raiders could have handled Carney in a different manner which ended with them still having him at their club playing good footy and off the drink.
Please enlighten us as to what the Raiders could have done better in handling the Todd Carney issue.
 
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Get over him Bobby, he's gone and not going back. Your club is well endowed with some very talented young players. It just took a change of clubs to straighten him out. Canberra will have a good year without him. stop whinging. It does'nt become you.

What are you going on about Frederick. Did you even read my post?

It didn't take a change of clubs to straighten him out. It took us sacking him and making sure he didn't play pro footy for an entire year which straightened him out. The Roosters should be thanking us.

I know how good our young players are.

Where have I whinged about him? :?
 

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