Tonga Robbed!

[no name]

The attention on the last call of the game is a good thing for Checcin, means no one else is scrutinising the rest of his game.

I'm happy enough with the call he made, happy enough he didn't go to the VR, just hope that this is the consistent call, with no VR, from now on.

 

[carcharias]

But you complain about semi paying for Australia? Why shouldn’t he?

Australia paid for him.

WtF are you on about?

 

[Pommy]

Australia paid for him.

WtF are you on about?

He’s eligable, so why not? Your argument.

 

[carcharias]

No Australia paid him
Not the other way around
Stop drinking

 

[roughyedspud]

I did, still don't know what he wrote makes him a tool.
He didn't say anything about being eligible for any other nations or rejecting them, just sounds like a bloke who is proud of his team to me.

Of course he's gonna play for Tonga till he retires. ITS THE ONLY TEAM HES ELIGIBLE FOR! dumb dumb

 

[Pommy]

No Australia paid him
Not the other way around
Stop drinking

I don’t think you understand the eligibility rules.

 

[Last Week]

Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Togans have been harassing and threatening him and his family online pretty badly.

Really taking the gloss off their image they developed during the tournament.

 

[carcharias]

I don’t think you understand the eligibility rules.

You need to read what you wrote.

 

[deluded pom?]

Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Togans have been harassing and threatening him and his family online pretty badly.

Really taking the gloss off their image they developed during the tournament.

Yes, it's a sorry state of affairs. It's a game at the end of the day

 

[Valheru]

All over Sydney there are small but close Tongan community.

Every Sunday they go to the same church together, their kids grew up together, they go to the same school, they all play in the same footy team and they all live in the same suburb.
They are 100% Tongan blood.

But according to some posters on this forum they aren't entitled to play for Tonga because they were born in Australia ???

Fifita can't possibly be 100% Tongan as he has represented the indigenous all stars which, ironically, makes him at least partly ethnic Australian unlike a good portion of the actual Australian team.

Anyways, no one has actually said they can't play for Tonga, it makes them far more competitive than they would otherwise be. What we are saying is that the vast majority of them would play for AUS/NZ if picked. Thus, by definition, they will always (should always) be inferior to AUS/NZ and this won't change unless pay discrepancies are fixed, the eligibility rules are fixed and more meaningful games are given to the 2nd tier nations.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Of course he's gonna play for Tonga till he retires. ITS THE ONLY TEAM HES ELIGIBLE FOR! dumb dumb

Hes played for NZ previously

He is ineligible now though cause he no longer lives in NZ yeah?

*Edit. Seems he hasnt. Was thinking of Kata

 

[Last Week]

Fifita can't possibly be 100% Tongan as he has represented the indigenous all stars which, ironically, makes him at least partly ethnic Australian unlike a good portion of the actual Australian team.

Anyways, no one has actually said they can't play for Tonga, it makes them far more competitive than they would otherwise be. What we are saying is that the vast majority of them would play for AUS/NZ if picked. Thus, by definition, they will always (should always) be inferior to AUS/NZ and this won't change unless pay discrepancies are fixed, the eligibility rules are fixed and more meaningful games are given to the 2nd tier nations.

That's an interesting premise now. Does Fifita play for the indigenous side now or the all stars?

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Are you serious? Foreign or not they're tongan aren't they? Don't start this bullshit again... Like I've said a million times most Tongans and samoans all live in nz and Australia... So of course they all would grow up playing the game there... Most if not all have full blooded tongan or samoan parents so that makes them every right to play for there country of heritage.... And if they had to choose who to play for without money on the line they would pick the island nation in heart beat... Last time I check the pommys took faasavalu from Samoa... One thing you'll never see in this lifetime is Sam Burgess or James Graham running out for Tonga or Samoa dipshit... And you blame us for taking "foreign" players even tho they're tongan or samoan anyways lol

Ethnicity and nationality are 2 different things sir. That's what people have been getting at this entire time.

While they're all Tongan in ethnicity (or half Tongan in Lolohea's case), the entire squad bar a couple are New Zealanders or Australians in NATIONALITY.

Count how many Tongan passports are held amongst that squad and you'll get your true answer on how many of them are Tongan by nationality.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

I've said what I needed to say... Calling island players playing for there heritage "foreigners" is an insult... What makes them less tongan or samoan then the ones living back in there homeland??

Well first of all Lolohea is less Tongan than the Tongans in Tonga cos he's half white.

There are basically more Tongans and samoans living in nz then there are in there homeland... So there will always be a high chance there'll be nz born islanders playing for there home nation

Thanks for the scoop

 

[Bobby DIGital]

What makes them less Tongan or Samoan? Being Australian or Kiwi makes them less Tongan or Samoan.
I hazard a guess that your not likely to label the vast majority of Australians as being British or Irish. It’s a weird distinction people make. Can GB just claim the World Cup now? The vast majority of the Australian team will have British blood.
We could go around the world and I’m sure you would find more than 50 odd million people of English decent living abroad it’s not something that only happens in the pacific.
I’m not against the eligibility rules as such but this hasn’t been some big uprising of the pacific islands like some claim.

Wait....are you talking about hundreds of years of generational separation?

 

[Caped Crusader]

If the eligibility rules only allowed players born in a particular country to represent that country, the WC would be bloody awful and likely non-existent

 

[Clarkent]

Then why have a rule that only allows it to go so far?
I am going to question a player who walks out on the nation at the last minute. I watched Tonga qualify for the World Cup, funny enough it wasn’t the same side that played today.

Nz have been taking players out other island teams for years all of a sudden you have a problem with it now? If you looked at that tongan team 90% of that team played for Tonga first before being picked up by the kiwis

 

[SBD82]

You shouldn’t have bothered to start with.

He is already the king of Cronulla.

I was completely behind your arguments until this post. In all the glory of the World Cup I forgot that fifita plays for the sharks.

f**k the sharks. Go tonga. (Except fifita)

 

[Clarkent]

Just watching the game again. Forgot to mention Fusitua passing early without drawing the fullback in the 15th min costing Tonga a likely try (the Jennings double movement). Basic stuff and another example of the dumb Island footy that cost Tonga far more than any imagined ref errors.

Dumb "island" footy beat the kiwis in Pool play and knocked them out of the world cup you racist prick

 

[Force]

Examples also back up this decision.
P Wallace no try v Brisbane earlier this year.
Same scenario. Called as ‘defender not playing at ball’.

Whether one agrees with the try or not I think they need to look at the ruling cos there seems to be too many inconsistent calls in the game. Awarding a try in one instance and not in another just opens up a can of worms. The worst I remember is the Greg Inglis try he was awarded in Origin after I think it was Farrah who kicked the ball out of his grasp and the ball went forward, he was awarded that try. Make it clear, so if the ball goes forward off an attempted strip then its a knock on, saves confusion.