Tracy Grimshaw interview...fair?

[Apey]

I'm definitely someone who leans towards the Johns 'side' if there is such thing in this complicated matter, but I think everyone can agree that it was great to hear him say that him being stood down from Channel 9 is the last thing on his mind and that the important thing is his family.

 

[Inferno]

I thought Tracy was a b*tch but she asked the questions that needed to be asked.
For example, asking if Matty cared about the girl's emotional state or what had happened to the girl.

As I said, what did you expect or want from it? A whole session saying that the whole thing was the fault of the AFL?

That's a ridiculous over emotional question.

The logical answer is no, but how many men and women who hook up for a one night stand care about the other's emotional state or what happens to them?

He says that, and he'd get labelled a prick though, so he has to tiptoe around it.

 

[Blind Freddy]

I'm amazed at the moral crusaders on here. The way some are carrying on you'd think group sex is a crime. Personally a sausage fest isn't my go but who gives a f**k what other people do in their private lives.

Various forms of "un orthodox' intercourse have be around for centuries and will continue that way. It's whatever floats one's boat as far as i'm concerened. It's the year 2009 nothing should surprise us now when we hear of some bedroom act.

Thats why i think Johnsy was harshly done by and it's irrelevant who the others were... It was found by a police investigation nothing criminal happened, and thats what is the cold hard fact here. Morally right or not.

 

[Shorty]

That's a ridiculous over emotional question.

The logical answer is no, but how many men and women who hook up for a one night stand care about the other's emotional state or what happens to them?

He says that, and he'd get labelled a prick though, so he has to tiptoe around it.

Obviously, Inferno (clearly from the state of Matty and the woman) that it wasn't just what you described.

 

[Noa]

I'm amazed at the moral crusaders on here. The way some are carrying on you'd think group sex is a crime. Personally a sausage fest isn't my go but who gives a f**k what other people do in their private lives.

Various forms of "un orthodox' intercourse have be around for centuries and will continue that way. It's whatever floats one's boat as far as i'm concerened. It's the year 2009 nothing should surprise us now when we hear of some bedroom act.
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WHAT!!!!!

Youve never swapped ends and engaged in a bit of Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker action along the way. You aint lived buddy.

 

[Inferno]

Obviously, Inferno (clearly from the state of Matty and the woman) that it wasn't just what you described.

Matty's whole life is in tatters at the moment, he's been stood down from 9, not working with either the storm or the roosters, so he's lost all contact with footy, he's being hounded by media and has his face splashed on tv. That would describe his state at the moment.

As for her, I have no doubt she is in a bad way, but I think that is mostly due to regret for something she participated in of her own free will. It was unsavoury perhaps, but I don't see how it is fair to punish someone else for that.

 

[Shorty]

.As for her, I have no doubt she is in a bad way, but I think that is mostly due to regret for something she participated in of her own free will. It was unsavoury perhaps, but I don't see how it is fair to punish someone else for that

People continue to say this - How do you know? Were you there?
You're more than eager to believe John's account of evidents but apparently the woman at hand is just regrettable?
Hell she said she would shoot them if they were in front of her and has post traumatic stress sydrome? That's regret?

 

[Blind Freddy]

WHAT!!!!!

Youve never swapped ends and engaged in a bit of Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker action along the way. You aint lived buddy.

haha being around a swordfight wouldn't do much for me

It's like Ghostbusters "Don't cross the streams!!!"

 

[El Diablo]

People continue to say this - How do you know? Were you there?
You're more than eager to believe John's account of evidents but apparently the woman at hand is just regrettable?
Hell she said she would shoot them if they were in front of her and has post traumatic stress sydrome? That's regret?

why are you up anyone for believing Johns' side when you yourself have chosen to believe the girl?

 

[Inferno]

People continue to say this - How do you know? Were you there?
You're more than eager to believe John's account of evidents but apparently the woman at hand is just regrettable?
Hell she said she would shoot them if they were in front of her and has post traumatic stress sydrome? That's regret?

No idea but I have yet to hear otherwise.

Did you watch the story last night?

Did she claim she tried to stop what was going on?

or leave?

Or show any objections?

 

[Timmah]

Grimshaw should pack her bags and follow Matt after that disgustingly biased interview.

 

[bartman]

:lol: The interview that allowed Johns to publicly air his side of the story?

 

[Shorty]

why are you up anyone for believing Johns' side when you yourself have chosen to believe the girl?

Actually, I haven't chosen to believe anyone really but I'm challenging those that side with Johns to listen to the otherside.
This stems from people already bringing out the profanities and judgments before the god damned story had even aired.
People knew nothing but were and are ready to think that Matt and others were completely innocent.

No idea but I have yet to hear otherwise.

Did you watch the story last night?

Did she claim she tried to stop what was going on?

or leave?

Or show any objections?

Well, I mean...you're a 19 year old woman lying on the bed with 11 or more footballers around you...
Maybe she didn't, though did she consent to the men walking into the room?

Since she was so silent did any of the guys actually ask if it was ok?

 

[typicalfan]

People continue to say this - How do you know? Were you there?
You're more than eager to believe John's account of evidents but apparently the woman at hand is just regrettable?
Hell she said she would shoot them if they were in front of her and has post traumatic stress sydrome? That's regret?

I am more eager to take the word of what was handed out in the court case, the girl has no new information to give other than her current state of mind which you could not tell conclusively if the actual event in question was the main culprit for.

It isn't about taking sides it is about taking the whole investigation into account. You are basing your judgment purely on a he said she said debate which doesn't show anything in my opinion.

 

[Shorty]

I am more eager to take the word of what was handed out in the court case

There was no court case.
You are aware that rape allegations and cases are extremely hard to prove right?
You're a tad naive.

That's not to say this was a rape case.

 

[myanonymoususername]

I am more eager to take the word of what was handed out in the court case, the girl has no new information to give other than her current state of mind which you could not tell conclusively if the actual event in question was the main culprit for.

It isn't about taking sides it is about taking the whole investigation into account. You are basing your judgment purely on a he said she said debate which doesn't show anything in my opinion.

Umm, there has never been a court case. The police decided not to press charges because they didn't believe there was enough evidence of a crime.

And the whole police investigation would have been he said/she said.

So, on the one hand the he said information that the players provided to police investigation is valid, but the she said information then and now is not. You are trying to have it both ways.

 

[Eels Dude]

The one question she didn't ask that I was curious to hear was, "Have you engaged in previous encounters of group sex" or "was it something that happened on other away trips"

It would have been harsh to ask him that, especially in front of his wife, but it would have been interesting to hear his answer.

 

[myanonymoususername]

I'm not really sure what to make of that interview.

I'm sure Matthew Johns is absolutely shattered right now. His whole world has come crashing down. Poor bastard. I'd hate to be in his shoes.

I think that he sees he did some bad things. I think he accepts it has damaged "Clare" as well as himself. I think he genuinely would not do what he did if the opportunity was there today.

A few things bothered me though:

• the way he couched things like this: "In the statement made to police it says she encouraged players to come forward." That to me smells of a rehearsed/coached answer, and of wanting to stick to a carefully controlled version of what happened, ie what he said in his police statement years ago.
• some of his body language gave the impression of evasive behaviour, eg check his eye contact, closing his eyes and hesitating before answering. (re body language, it would be really interesting if they got one of those body language/interrogation experts to analyse his words and actions during the interview - I'd be surprised if someone in the media doesn't do that)
• there were occasions where he described things in the 3rd person, rather than as "I did, we did" etc - again this is indicative of a coached version of the events
• every time Grimshaw tried to get him to share the blame with the other players or on the NRL's culture, he deflected it and took it all on himself - he seems very careful not to expose anyone else involved.

However, all that said, I'm still at a loss what to make of it. I don't think it really advanced the story one way or another. Johns' supporters will still support him, those who think he's guilty will still think that.

 

[Cloud9]

The one question she didn't ask that I was curious to hear was, "Have you engaged in previous encounters of group sex" or "was it something that happened on other away trips"

It would have been harsh to ask him that, especially in front of his wife, but it would have been interesting to hear his answer.

With all due respect to Clare, 4 corners could have asked her the same question.

 

[Surely]

With all due respect to Clare, 4 corners could have asked her the same question.

exactly