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Trent Barrett

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Manly-Warringah have never 'won' the Wooden Spoon. With the injuries they have, and Barrett as coach, I could see them succeeding this year. Which - despite my love/hate relationship with the team - would pretty sad for a proud club.
 

gUt

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There was an article very critical of Fulton published on the roar 2 days ago but it looks to have been removed. I'll see if I can get a cached copy of it.
 

Nice Beaver

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There was an article very critical of Fulton published on the roar 2 days ago but it looks to have been removed. I'll see if I can get a cached copy of it.

Was taken down by request.

Request by whom would not be too hard to guess I'd imagine....
 

oval

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Here is the article that was taken down. Apologies for the length:


Before I start this rant I want to make something perfectly clear: I have a ton of respect for the man and player known as Bob Fulton.

Everyone should, and anyone who doesn’t must have rocks in their heads. He was part of the original ‘Immortals’ group inducted when the concept first began. He won three premierships as a player, with many sources saying that he single-handedly won the 1973 premiership for Manly.

This article isn’t going to even question his ability as a player, because his ability is unquestionable.

As for his merits as someone running a team, however, my opinion of him is lessened significantly. I don’t think it would be possible for someone to sabotage a team more effectively than Bob Fulton has since he rejoined the club in 2015. There appears to be favourtism at play, awful roster decisions and an inability to evolve with the modern game. Fulton has taken a winning culture and has ripped it in half.

Manly had made the finals every year since 2005. In that time they have survived their star player being accused of sexual assault and being injured for two years, their coach signing for another club a few days after winning a premiership, and even reports of the entire club hating one another – yet they still finished second in 2014.

This team was like that cockroach that decided my bathroom was a great place to live: it just refused to die. But then Fulton came along and took Manly on his wild ride.

Let me ask you something: have any of Manly’s recruitment decisions since 2014 worked out? I would be one of the few people to argue that the inclusion of Martin Taupau was good recruiting, and Darcy Lussick also helped a bunch in 2015, so that has panned out, but every other decision since Fulton took over has been terrible.

Nate Myles, Lewis Brown, Curtis Sironen, Tom Wright, Matthew Wright, Frank Winterstein, Akuila Uate and Tim Moltzen were all terrible decisions. Dylan Walker has been underachieving. Matt Parcell showed promise but was dumped for some reason, and Apisai Koroisau struggles to pass effectively at all.

Then compare that to the quality of players we let go. Clinton Gutherson has been killing it at Parramatta, Peta Hiku is a damn sight better than Uate and the Wrights, Siosaia Vave was excellent for Manly in 2016, Tom Symonds was a very honest toiler and Parcell had excellent service and is carving up the English Super League.

But the worst decision of all has been letting go Jamie Buhrer. This is a guy who bled Manly, and he is a wonderful player who would never let you down and who had an excellent connection going with Daly Cherry-Evans. Many in the club thought he was going to be the next captain.

This is the guy that was shafted by Bob Fulton because he needed to bring in the son of his mate into the side.

It seems Bozo Fulton has always been a big fan of jobs for the family, and boy is this coming through in spades at Manly. Not only did he acquire duds Curtis Sironen and Jackson Hastings, two players whose fathers he has connections with, but he also has got jobs in the club for all of his family. Scott, Brett and Kristie Fulton (who was admittedly recently sacked by the club) were given jobs at the club, even though none of them seem capable of running a side.

Heck, I reckon the only reason Scott Fulton played his measly 49 first-grade games was because he played while his dad was coaching the side; he didn’t get a single game after 1999 when Bob left his role as the Manly coach.

Let’s look at Bob Fulton’s recent history. For years he has been one of the major selectors for New South Wales in State of Origin, and how has that turned out? One win in 11 years, thanks to baffling selection after baffling selection.

Why was Walker brought in as bench utility last year? Fulton is why. He has a winning percentage success rate of nine per cent as a NSW selector. How in the world did it take this long for him to be forced out?

And look at Manly’s results since he took the reins. They went from second in 2014 to ninth in 2015 to 13th in 2016. With the recent disgusting ‘effort’ against the Rabbitohs in Round 2, this side has lost seven games in a row, and due to this sudden fall there is a lot of negative opinion about their current coach, Trent Barrett.

Barrett is no master coach, but he isn’t the problem. The problem is he doesn’t have a say in recruiting or anything behind the scenes. I know this because many times in 2016 he publicly endorsed Buhrer and spoke about how he was a leader of the side and was captain material. You can’t criticise a coach that doesn’t have control over his team’s recruitment decisions – that’d just be silly.

It is only Round 2, but Manly once again look like a rabble – because they are. Fulton has his hands over everything again, and you can just see the sticky marks his fingers are leaving – 40 players and an entire coaching staff in two years. That is the turnover this guy has produced.

And why was this necessary in the first place? Manly had a winning culture, they just won and won and won and somehow succeeded despite everything for years. Heck, in 2015 under Geoff Toovey, a side with no forward pack and a ton of injuries were two points away from making the grand final in the face of attempts to undermine the coach. Now, in 2017, Manly are sitting on seven losses in a row, with three wins from their last 11 games at their former fortress home stadium.

Bob Fulton as a player was legendary, but as someone running a football club he really does live up to his Bozo name. I am 110 per cent convinced that until he is pushed out of Manly they will be stuck at the bottom of the ladder. He may be an Immortal, but the game has well and truly passed him by.
 

Nice Beaver

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Here is the article that was taken down. Apologies for the length:


Before I start this rant I want to make something perfectly clear: I have a ton of respect for the man and player known as Bob Fulton.

Everyone should, and anyone who doesn’t must have rocks in their heads. He was part of the original ‘Immortals’ group inducted when the concept first began. He won three premierships as a player, with many sources saying that he single-handedly won the 1973 premiership for Manly.

This article isn’t going to even question his ability as a player, because his ability is unquestionable.

As for his merits as someone running a team, however, my opinion of him is lessened significantly. I don’t think it would be possible for someone to sabotage a team more effectively than Bob Fulton has since he rejoined the club in 2015. There appears to be favourtism at play, awful roster decisions and an inability to evolve with the modern game. Fulton has taken a winning culture and has ripped it in half.

Manly had made the finals every year since 2005. In that time they have survived their star player being accused of sexual assault and being injured for two years, their coach signing for another club a few days after winning a premiership, and even reports of the entire club hating one another – yet they still finished second in 2014.

This team was like that cockroach that decided my bathroom was a great place to live: it just refused to die. But then Fulton came along and took Manly on his wild ride.

Let me ask you something: have any of Manly’s recruitment decisions since 2014 worked out? I would be one of the few people to argue that the inclusion of Martin Taupau was good recruiting, and Darcy Lussick also helped a bunch in 2015, so that has panned out, but every other decision since Fulton took over has been terrible.

Nate Myles, Lewis Brown, Curtis Sironen, Tom Wright, Matthew Wright, Frank Winterstein, Akuila Uate and Tim Moltzen were all terrible decisions. Dylan Walker has been underachieving. Matt Parcell showed promise but was dumped for some reason, and Apisai Koroisau struggles to pass effectively at all.

Then compare that to the quality of players we let go. Clinton Gutherson has been killing it at Parramatta, Peta Hiku is a damn sight better than Uate and the Wrights, Siosaia Vave was excellent for Manly in 2016, Tom Symonds was a very honest toiler and Parcell had excellent service and is carving up the English Super League.

But the worst decision of all has been letting go Jamie Buhrer. This is a guy who bled Manly, and he is a wonderful player who would never let you down and who had an excellent connection going with Daly Cherry-Evans. Many in the club thought he was going to be the next captain.

This is the guy that was shafted by Bob Fulton because he needed to bring in the son of his mate into the side.

It seems Bozo Fulton has always been a big fan of jobs for the family, and boy is this coming through in spades at Manly. Not only did he acquire duds Curtis Sironen and Jackson Hastings, two players whose fathers he has connections with, but he also has got jobs in the club for all of his family. Scott, Brett and Kristie Fulton (who was admittedly recently sacked by the club) were given jobs at the club, even though none of them seem capable of running a side.

Heck, I reckon the only reason Scott Fulton played his measly 49 first-grade games was because he played while his dad was coaching the side; he didn’t get a single game after 1999 when Bob left his role as the Manly coach.

Let’s look at Bob Fulton’s recent history. For years he has been one of the major selectors for New South Wales in State of Origin, and how has that turned out? One win in 11 years, thanks to baffling selection after baffling selection.

Why was Walker brought in as bench utility last year? Fulton is why. He has a winning percentage success rate of nine per cent as a NSW selector. How in the world did it take this long for him to be forced out?

And look at Manly’s results since he took the reins. They went from second in 2014 to ninth in 2015 to 13th in 2016. With the recent disgusting ‘effort’ against the Rabbitohs in Round 2, this side has lost seven games in a row, and due to this sudden fall there is a lot of negative opinion about their current coach, Trent Barrett.

Barrett is no master coach, but he isn’t the problem. The problem is he doesn’t have a say in recruiting or anything behind the scenes. I know this because many times in 2016 he publicly endorsed Buhrer and spoke about how he was a leader of the side and was captain material. You can’t criticise a coach that doesn’t have control over his team’s recruitment decisions – that’d just be silly.

It is only Round 2, but Manly once again look like a rabble – because they are. Fulton has his hands over everything again, and you can just see the sticky marks his fingers are leaving – 40 players and an entire coaching staff in two years. That is the turnover this guy has produced.

And why was this necessary in the first place? Manly had a winning culture, they just won and won and won and somehow succeeded despite everything for years. Heck, in 2015 under Geoff Toovey, a side with no forward pack and a ton of injuries were two points away from making the grand final in the face of attempts to undermine the coach. Now, in 2017, Manly are sitting on seven losses in a row, with three wins from their last 11 games at their former fortress home stadium.

Bob Fulton as a player was legendary, but as someone running a football club he really does live up to his Bozo name. I am 110 per cent convinced that until he is pushed out of Manly they will be stuck at the bottom of the ladder. He may be an Immortal, but the game has well and truly passed him by.

Was a great read a few days ago and still is.

Truth is not tolerated by a certain few at the club....

I notice today that oversized turd Zorba has once again slagged of the Manly supporters today. Scumbag.
 
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M2D2

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Never liked Bozo, he has ran NSW into the ground. I realised that when he picked Gasnier at 6.
Im amazed its taken some manly fans this long to realise.
 

kbw

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I have some friends that have done business with Bozo and would be very hesitant to again.
I have believed for a while that he has been a major contributor to the poor showing by NSW.

The sooner that he sits back and just watches the game on TV the better
 

axl rose

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Heck, I reckon the only reason Scott Fulton played his measly 49 first-grade games was because he played while his dad was coaching the side; he didn’t get a single game after 1999 when Bob left his role as the Manly coach.

Oh I remember that guy, got a million dollars to stay 'loyal' to the ARL. Didn't know he was working at Manly i thought he was still a Lobster Fisherman. He was very very average.This whole Fulton farce just reeks of Piggins at Souths. Sad old farts with a few marbles left upstairs, who just cant let go.
 
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Incorrect

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Was a great read a few days ago and still is.

Truth is not tolerated by a certain few at the club....

I notice today that oversized turd Zorba has once again slagged of the Manly supporters today. Scumbag.

I was going to say, if nobody can find the article to post it here, I'm sure we could send Nice Beaver a PM and ask him to retrieve it from his Sent Items as I'm sure it was penned by him!!! LOL
 

Nice Beaver

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I was going to say, if nobody can find the article to post it here, I'm sure we could send Nice Beaver a PM and ask him to retrieve it from his Sent Items as I'm sure it was penned by him!!! LOL

Haha

Mate I wish I could claim glory for that, but no.

It was just another "dummie" with no idea who eats sausage rolls.

I see in the SMH that the new CEO, Cleary has come out in defence of his sacking Fulton's daughter.

I pray that the Penn's finally grow a set and back him to clean the joint up. Seems like a straight shooter with no baggage and is out to eradicate the old boys club mindset ruining the joint.

Start with Peters.

Honestly, can you imagine anyone worse putting people down with a comment about eating food? Lol
 

Nice Beaver

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Zorba it appears is still living in 1952. Apparently Manly fans are dummies and sit at home eating a sausage roll and pay out everyone who achieves in life.

The interview with Dean Ritchie is here and it's the bit right at the end of the interview.

http://www.nospam47.com/au/league/n...-media-most-losses/1l439mt2l8b4o1oe5t41nyoxx2

Name me another sporting club where a paid employee (supposedly in the PR Dept) who calls his paying members and supporters "dummies" with no idea about football.

In my opinuon, if not for nepotism, he would be marched this morning.

How he got back in after being sacked years ago is beyond me.
 

Incorrect

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Haha

Mate I wish I could claim glory for that, but no.

It was just another "dummie" with no idea who eats sausage rolls.

I see in the SMH that the new CEO, Cleary has come out in defence of his sacking Fulton's daughter.

I pray that the Penn's finally grow a set and back him to clean the joint up. Seems like a straight shooter with no baggage and is out to eradicate the old boys club mindset ruining the joint.

Start with Peters.

Honestly, can you imagine anyone worse putting people down with a comment about eating food? Lol


What's the relationship between Fulton and Hasler like?? If Fulton continues to have any sway over football decisions at Manly, and somehow admitted he was wrong to push for Barrett to get the coaching gig, would Hasler be back in the frame??

I know you've moved on from Hasler but I'm interested to know if it's a possibility in Fulton's eyes??
 

Hawkins

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Trent, he's super.

In fact I hope he gets picked to coach 14 other teams this season at the same time.

Just stay out of the Territory Captain Hairspray
 

Nice Beaver

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What's the relationship between Fulton and Hasler like?? If Fulton continues to have any sway over football decisions at Manly, and somehow admitted he was wrong to push for Barrett to get the coaching gig, would Hasler be back in the frame??

I know you've moved on from Hasler but I'm interested to know if it's a possibility in Fulton's eyes??

I am unsure of their personal relationship, but Fulton was not really around when Hasler was there so I would imagine no bad blood would be there following Hasler's defection. Bozo was busy screwing NSW up then.

The one thing I will say is that everyone knows Hasler is a control freak. That's why he left really - the Penn's and board were getting nervous at the power Hasler had over everything and they tried to reign it back. Dessy did not likey so had an affair with Greenberg. The rest is history.

So Hasler is a control freak. And I think its quite apparent Fulton is a control freak. Fulton is essentially in charge of all player recruitment and retention. Can you imagine Dessie putting up with that?

In my opinion, if Hasler was coming back, Fulton would not be at Manly any longer. In fact, if any new coach comes next year, I hope that Fulton is gone.

I sadly think no matter what, Barrett is gone. Even if he gained control of the team and the make up of the team, he now has Fulton's squad and no time to create his own team to hang his hat on the results. He has to coach a team he has had essentially no say in. Take Buhrer as an example - Barrett said to the press in 2016 that Buhrer was a leader in the team and vital. He even talked him up as a potential captain for 2017. Then before you know it, he is told to pack his bags. I think we all know who decided that.

As I have said previously, I am not talking Barrett up to be the next Bellamy, but he has been given ZERO chance to prove anything at Manly through some ordinary player movements out of his control and a horrid injury run. Had he had the opportunity in the past 18 months to do things his way and had the same results, I'd be the first to call for his sacking. As it is, that will happen anyway.

I pray that Cleary (the new CEO) is backed by the Penn's and allowed to clean the club out of the old trash so they can move forward as a professional club rather than the apparent rabble at present.
 

no name

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Well, Kent and Crawley have shown their hand on 360.
They're backing Fulton.
Expect a shit storm of articles smearing Cleary in the coming weeks.
 

Nice Beaver

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Well, Kent and Crawley have shown their hand on 360.
They're backing Fulton.
Expect a shit storm of articles smearing Cleary in the coming weeks.

Hardly a surprise.

Peters has the DT crew in his pocket.

It will be DT "journalists" and Ray Hadley scumming it up big time on Cleary.

If that's not an indication Cleary is doing the right things, then nothing is.
 
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