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Tua v Cameron

Who will win?

  • Tua

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • Cameron

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .

CABRA ROCKS

Juniors
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358
That Fight was more of a case of ..'Mismatch of the Century'..Rather than 'Fight of The Century' it was clear as Day that Shane Cameron was sh*ttin' himself before the Bell rung for the first Round. Gee Tua Looked Brutal & Hungry in that Bout & i Feel Sorry for Any other Heavy Weight Contender that Thinks a 'Fisty Stoush' with the overweight & Inactive Tuamanator will be a Casual Stroll in the Park, will Fall victim to either the Left or Right hook !!
 

ozbash

Referee
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Shane Cameron's manager Ken Reinsfield wanted the "Fight of the Century" against David Tua stopped after round one.
Reinsfield said in the post-fight press conference on Saturday night it had been a team decision to carry on after two knock-downs in the opening round, but New Zealand Boxing Association president Lance Revill said Reinsfield had wanted to throw in the towel at the first break, but it was Cameron himself who wanted to fight on.

"That's what I've been told," Revill said yesterday.

As it happened, a seven-second, 13-punch Tua assault on Cameron finished the fight early in the second round anyway, and Cameron was taken to hospital, but just as a precaution, according to Reinsfield.

Revill, who refereed Tua's three previous New Zealand fights, stood in two fights on Saturday night and had a 16-year professional career of his own, said the fight should have been stopped earlier and much-hyped referee Bruce McTavish let the fight go on dangerously too long.

"It should have been stopped at least six punches earlier.

"[Cameron] had dropped his head and wasn't defending himself or throwing punches. That's a key indicator to a referee. That fight went too long."

Revill said he didn't want to criticise McTavish's performance, because it was a difficult job and had he called the fight off earlier he would have also come under fire.

Tua was too powerful, too fast and a class, if not two, above Cameron. But Revill said the fighters weren't as big a mismatch as their corners were, and it was that and poor tactics which cost Cameron.

"That fight wasn't a mis-match," he said. "But the tactics were all wrong for Cameron."

Revill said talk of Cameron needing to stay away from Tua was misguided and the 31-year-old should have got closer to Tua if anything.

"He needed to go after Tua, and get close. That might have put Tua off and taken away his power. If you stay away, David can swing and when he gets going, well you saw what happened, but if you get close, sure you'll wear one or two, but if David is more likely to throw one or two then defend; you won't wear six or seven."

He said Cameron needed to adopt the tactics of Evander Holyfield in the infamous ear-biting fight with Mike Tyson in 1997.

"Holyfield got so close, Tyson couldn't swing and got frustrated, that's when he bit his ear. That was the way for Cameron to win, to frustrate."

A lack of a top-level corner hurt Cameron. "They're just inexperienced," Revill said of Cameron's support team.

"Ken (Reinsfield) just got into boxing because he was a bucket-man for Kevin Barry and (trainer) Lollo (Heimuli) is a kick-boxer. On the other side you have (Tua's trainer) Roger Bloodworth, who's trained numerous champions.

"So in one corner you had an expert and people who can read a fight; in the other you had guys that have never fought. That's a big difference."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2932162/Camerons-manager-wanted-fight-stopped-before-round-2
 

Meth

Moderator
Staff member
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NZ Herald: "It's hard not to think the plucky Gisbornite brought his spectacular downfall upon himself. He taunted Tua for being too fat, too slow, too lazy and too old."I saw you fight Lennox Lewis and you took a hiding, man," was one line.No, he didn't, Shane. He was out-boxed by one of the best heavyweights in history. A hiding was what you copped on Saturday night"
 

Auckland4ever

Juniors
Messages
1,243
Not really sure if this fight proves anything much other than Cameron's style is totally tailor made for Tua's style. Put Tua in against someone who isn't a front foot fighter, who has a huge reach advantage, who jabs & keeps his distance all fight, and we'll know if he has any more to offer than he's shown over the past several years (which isn't all that much).
 
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I've been looking for the old Tua Vs Cameron thread so I can laugh at people who tipped Cameron. Damn i'm glad Tua beat the dog snot outta that blonde-haired, blue-eyed, try-hard Maori.
 

Manu Vatuvei

Coach
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17,217
Not really sure if this fight proves anything much other than Cameron's style is totally tailor made for Tua's style.

An underestimated point. Not trying to draw comparisons or say that Cameron really is in Tua's class, but Joe Frazier and George Foreman is a famous example of two boxers who were very much "in the same class", yet Foreman completely "outclassed" and humiliated Frazier when they fought each other because of the style match-up.

Also, I don't get all the people on the Tua bandwagon. This isn't so much a glorious triumph as a stark reminder that this guy has had 17 years (!!) to make it to the top with the talent he has, and he hasn't done it at all.

But yeah, LOL at my prediction :eek: Was mostly based on me predicting that Tua was old and past it and had, to quote Mike Tyson, "lost his fighting guts"- not so much that I thought Cameron was anything special.
 

ozbash

Referee
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Also, I don't get all the people on the Tua bandwagon. This isn't so much a glorious triumph as a stark reminder that this guy has had 17 years (!!) to make it to the top with the talent he has, and he hasn't done it at all.

ok, I am pretty sure he would have got to the top with a different trainor/manager/mentor..

he just might do it yet..
 

Meth

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Staff member
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Was mostly based on me predicting that Tua was old and past it and had, to quote Mike Tyson, "lost his fighting guts"- not so much that I thought Cameron was anything special.

Yeah, that's why I had my doubts.

I know Tua has been at a higher level than Cameron has boxed at; but Tua was basically an unknown commodity after such a long time out the ring and with his age. But he looked better than I have seen him, really. He also looks to have the right people in his corner now. Who knows? Maybe he could finish his career on top.
 

Micistm

Bench
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4,470
Lol, I pity the ones that paid for the fight...the whole thing was shown on the news highlights anyway
 

shiznit

Coach
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14,796
Lol, I pity the ones that paid for the fight...the whole thing was shown on the news highlights anyway
why?? it was a good night... had a couple of the mates over... cracked open a few beers... ordered some pizzas... the whole fight night lasted 3 or so hours so it was sweet. and when you split the costs it cost you less than 10 bucks.

ohhh but wait... it was far better going to bed early and watching the replay on the news the next day... :lol:

on another note... just watched a wicked doco on MaoriTV about the fight....

pretty good doco... had interviews with Munidine, Lennox Lewis & Khali Meehan....
 

ozbash

Referee
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Boxer David Tua is believed to taken half the $7.5 million at the centre of a legal row between Tua and his former managers, Kevin Barry and Martin Pugh.
The three were in the High Court at Auckland during the week arguing over who should get the millions of dollars Tua earned as a heavyweight fighter while he was trained and managed by Barry and Pugh.
The three were believed to have settled to end the high legal fees of the six-year-old dispute.
The matter was due to go to trial in Auckland next year and had already cost millions in legal fees, the New Zealand Herald reported.
The $7.5m left was to be divided between Tua, as a 50 percent shareholder in the fight company Tuaman Inc, and Barry and Pugh, who each owned 25 per cent. Tua is believed to be heavily in debt, most of it in legal bills.
The two days of hearing in the High Court at Auckland this week were closed to the media and to the public.
Tuaman Inc's biggest asset was a beachfront property at Pakiri Beach north of Auckland. It was sold almost four years ago for $10.25m. The newspaper said earlier documents showed Tua made about $20m.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2997608/Tua-takes-half-of-7-5m
 

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