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UFC undisputed 2010

tokerShark

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Demo out now on XBL and PSN

Ive just downloaded the demo and had a few games, the new editions work really well, like being able to sway and use the cage.
Cant wait for the full game to release end of next month
 
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Jono078

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I felt a bit let down about it.

Maybe it didnt have the wow factor the first one did.

But it feels very different, especially the striking, doesn't seem as fluid to me, combos are almost non existent.

As for the clinch and ground game, we'll I'm gonna need the tutorial mode to figure it all out again. It's similar but different a bit.

Still buying the full game though :)
 

tokerShark

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Yeah at first i was having few troubles with ground moves and clinch, but i googled what needed to know, plus the undisputed forums are open again, plenty of tips there.
 

tiburon

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it's meh - sam issues as last years with too few minor improvements, i'll prob. trade it like i did 09

i'm hoping ea mma comes through with the goods
 

Eelementary

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I suck so hard at this game.

I started career mode, as a heavyweight, and got my pro career to 3-0. Two knock-outs and one TKO (I can't get the guys off their feet, so I just use ,y guy's amazing striking power to knock them out).

Anyway, this last guy I fought - I knocked him to the ground in 20 seconds, and when I moved in for the kill, he countered my strike into an armbar...And my guy tapped straight away! WTF?
 

tiburon

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I suck so hard at this game.

I started career mode, as a heavyweight, and got my pro career to 3-0. Two knock-outs and one TKO (I can't get the guys off their feet, so I just use ,y guy's amazing striking power to knock them out).

Anyway, this last guy I fought - I knocked him to the ground in 20 seconds, and when I moved in for the kill, he countered my strike into an armbar...And my guy tapped straight away! WTF?

that's the game sucking not you
 

Jono078

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This has been the biggest waste of $89 this year for me.

Last years was real fun, not much about this one im liking and to keep me coming back.

Career sucks, your stats start declining after 1 match! They said it would only happen when you get old.

Online doesn't even work for me some 10 days after release.

Lot of things said that didn't even make the game. Submissions are ridiculous and as soon as you go for a clinch the CPU spams transitions.

Hopefully all will get fixed in a patch asap.
 

Eelementary

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I never played the original so hopefully you guys can help me out, but...

So far I've only played career mode. I created a bad-ass looking heavyweight named Michael "The Monster" Kang. I had no idea how to distribute my stats so I did them randomly. The computer sorted them all out to my striking. I have no takedown or grappling ability at all.

I CAN'T snap on submissions; I CAN'T shoot for takedowns; I CAN'T transition out of clinches and off my back.

The only thing it seems I CAN do is knock out my opponents. Which usually works (I'm 17-3) but when I come up against a good ground man I'm screwed. My last two losses were against Frank Mir for the championship in the first round in 10 seconds - the match starts, he runs straight at me, takes me down, puts in a wrist lock and boom - I tap out. Ten seconds. Not even a chance at countering!

Was the first game this bad?
 

aqua_duck

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I never played the original so hopefully you guys can help me out, but...

So far I've only played career mode. I created a bad-ass looking heavyweight named Michael "The Monster" Kang. I had no idea how to distribute my stats so I did them randomly. The computer sorted them all out to my striking. I have no takedown or grappling ability at all.

I CAN'T snap on submissions; I CAN'T shoot for takedowns; I CAN'T transition out of clinches and off my back.

The only thing it seems I CAN do is knock out my opponents. Which usually works (I'm 17-3) but when I come up against a good ground man I'm screwed. My last two losses were against Frank Mir for the championship in the first round in 10 seconds - the match starts, he runs straight at me, takes me down, puts in a wrist lock and boom - I tap out. Ten seconds. Not even a chance at countering!

Was the first game this bad?
I haven't played 2010 yet but in last years game it was very hard to defend submissions. I created a guy, kickboxer, a real Mirko Cro Cop type, with heavy kicks and neglected other stats like submission defence, I started well knocking everyone out but as soon as I fought a decent fighter I got submitted, so next guy I created, I loaded his submission defence, so I would be able to defend submissions and still found I had decent knockout ratio considering I didn't load my head kick stats
 

Eelementary

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Thanks, mate.

Apparently I wasn't playing the game "properly". I became pro after one fight because they offered me to.

I auto-sparred, when apparently you're supposed to do them yourself.

It's an OK game, but it's really hard. I mean I finally beat Frank Mir, not for the title...And then Brock Lesnar destroyed me in 30 seconds.
 

Eelementary

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Just...Can't...Do...It...

In Career Mode, my fighter is pretty good. I suck at the ground game, so he's a standing fighter. An excellent one, too.

But Frank Mir and Brock Lesnar kick the sh*t out of me in 30 seconds, or make me tap out in 10 seconds EVERY time.

I just can't beat them for the title. I am screwed.
 

Stonecutter

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I heard that unlike 09 you can't power out of submissions anymore? is this true? without the power out the Maia's and Griffins of the world would rape me. I always built my guy with around 50 submission defence just so i could power out and get it back to a stand up where I would cro cop them.
 

Eelementary

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That's right - you can't.

The reason Mir kicks my arse so easily is because he switches between submissions. I can't do or defend against submissions, so my guy is purely a striker. I win my TKO and KO.

Mir slaps on an armbar, transitions to a wrist-lock, transitions to an ankle-lock and bam - fight done in under 1 minute.

This is a decent game, but it's too hard.
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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im stuck trying to decide to pick it up or not...i heard career has a few problems, that kinda sucks since thats what I play the most.
 

Eelementary

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I didn't play the previous game and while I like MMA, I am no expert or usual viewer. But here are my main observations about Career Mode in UFC Undisputed 2010 to help people make decisions:

Basically, you start off, and you create a fighter from scratch - his looks, his AI fighting style, his basic skills, tattoos and weight class. When he's done, you begin.

You get introduced to your trainer and get right into it. After winning, you have the choice of turning pro or not. The best bet here is to say no - you are REALLY going to need to boost your core stats and skills before turning pro. The core stats are (out of 100):

STRENGTH - important for strike power and CRUCIAL for submissions
SPEED - crucial for strikes and takedowns
CARDIO - crucial for submissions and defending against takedowns/grapples

They start off at level 1 and can be improved to level 3. They are improved by getting new trainers. They have cut-off points at which the points will not decay further, and they are:

Level 1 - 30 (get each stat to 30 at level 1 and they won't decay past 30)
Level 2 - 50 (get each stat to 50 at level 2 and they won't decay past 50)
Level 3 - 70 (get each stat to 70 at level 3 and they won't decay past 70)

The core skills are (out of 100):

Striking offense
Striking defense
Kicking offense
Kicking defense
Clinching offense
Clinching defense
Grappling offense
Grappling defense
Takedown offense
Takedown defense
Ground strike offense
Ground strike defense
Ground grapple offense
Ground grapple defense
Submission offense
Submission defense

Similar to the stats, the skills have three tiers where they stop decaying - at 30, 50 and 70. So when you get your striking offense to level 30, it stops decaying.

The skills are improved by sparring - you have the choice of auto sparring or manual. ALWAYS manual spar. You also have the choice of free sparring or focus sparring. Always go for free and I'll explain why:

To get from 0 to 30, you need 1 point to advance (ie: 30 skill points gets you to 30 of one skill).
To get from 30 to 50, you need 2 points for every point you want to advance (ie: you will need 40 actual skill points to go from 30 to 50).
To get from 50 to 70, you need 3 points for every point you want to advance (ie: you are going to need 60 points to go from 50 to 70).

Free sparring, provided you land enough clean punches, land a TKO or two and DON'T get hit, will get you plenty of points to progress, and you can improve your sparring partner which will get you more points per session.

Focus sparring makes you focus on one area - standing, clinching, ground and pound or submission. You get more points for focusing on the area you chose. You get bonus points awarded in a focus spar instead of regular points. Bonus points have one big advantage - 1 bonus point equals 1 point, regardless of level.

eg: let's say you want to move from 69 for striking offense to 70. You'd need 3 points to do so ordinarily. But if you do a focus session on standing you can spend just one point to go from 69 to 70.

So, taking all this in there are a few key things to consider:

* Boost your strength, speed and cardio to the key levels ASAP
* Boost your key skills to level 30 (at least for the start of the game) ASAP
* To unlock new training and sparring partners, you need cred. Cred is awarded on wins, and you get more cred for slapping more sponsors on your fear. So make sure you have lots of high level sponsors on your gear and when you win fights your cred will go through the roof, allowing you to unlock better training and sparring.

Now that's out of the way, the basics. Always try to fight the lowest ranked opponent so you can get practice and cred to really build up your stats.

At this point you can go to a training camp to learn a new move and keep practicing it to level it up to level 3 (the max). For example, my CAF has a straight left punch levelled at level 3 and if I can connect it, it's an instant KO. He also has a level 3 belly-to-belly slam and a level 3 spinning back right fist.

The problems will come in a few major areas:

* You will most likely cruise along for your first few fights, and then reach the championship conterdership
* Do NOT accept to fight the champ straight away - if you're a heavyweight, like me, at this stage of your career (likely year 4) Brock Lesnar/Frank Mir (depending on who is champ) will destroy you.
* The AI is ramped up ridiculously for title fights.



All I can say is:

* Practice slapping on and getting out of submissions HARD (they are totally different to the previous game, and I can't go into it because I have no clue how to do them/escape from them)
* Practice reversing takedowns and transitioning off the ground HARD
* Practice clinching HARD

Striking is easy and the standing game is well-implemented. But the game loses its gloss when you reach a championship fight and Brock Lesnar knocks you out in 30 seconds or Mir makes you tap in 10.
 
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I've played 5 matches and got submitted each time. There is no way to defend a submission, it is RIDICULOUS. Hate the game, which is a shame, because I really liked last year's. Wish I'd read the reviews in this thread before buying it this weekend.. :(
 

Eelementary

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It's not THAT bad. Honestly. I didn't play the last game, but this game is just HARD. But with patience and practice, it's not that bad. Honestly.

Having said that, I still haven't beaten Lesnar for the Heavyweight title. But I've gotten better.
 

Eelementary

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I FINALLY beat Lesnar with my career fighter. Twice. Once for the title and once on the rematch. SOOOOOO happy right now.
 

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