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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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Drew-Sta

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lol, Didgi. I wasn't linking to it for its pictures. On that I can assure you :)

In all seriousness, I just read the interview with Miss S

and she seems like a pretty together, smart woman, I'm not seeing any hate there at all. Neither from her or from the line of questioning, in fact I think she makes a lot of interesting and pertinent points.

Read Caitlin's. Her interview is what generated the post.
 

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lol, Didgi. I wasn't linking to it for its pictures. On that I can assure you :)



Read Caitlin's. Her interview is what generated the post.

Ah ok I thought that Caitlin was the interviewer.

I'm sure this is one of your primary disagreements with her but I 100% agree with her take on religion. She seems like she's been a little burnt with her parents' divorce but broadly I don't have a problem with the interview. If she is filled with hate I'm not sensing it from the interview.
 

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Fair enough.

The religion bit didn't perturb me; I've heard it all before and its not really an issue. It was the... assertion, I think? that the patriarchy was both real (in the sense that it was an established system rather than culturally defined gender roles that have been morphing over centuries) and somehow at play now.

It was also the fact she made it completely clear that men needs to behave to women as women dictate, rather than it be an equal foundation upon which both genders interact. Anything less means they're not equal.

Maybe I'm overestimating it. But it seemed misandry in its primary.
 

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It was also the fact she made it completely clear that men needs to behave to women as women dictate, rather than it be an equal foundation upon which both genders interact. Anything less means they're not equal.

I'm not getting this sense at all, is it a particular quote or just the general tone of the piece?
 

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Caitlin sounds like a typical anti man kind of girl. came across as a whinging bitch to be 100% honest.

and the website is hypocritical.
 

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I'm not getting this sense at all, is it a particular quote or just the general tone of the piece?

What are your negative?
The women I?ve encountered who attempt to discredit feminism, to tear one another down

If you're not for us, you're against us, which is ignorance basically. Not that I'm against feminism; but suggesting the 'other side' is somehow to be written off is intellectually dishonest.

Where do you feel unsafe as a woman?
It may seem dramatic but everywhere.

So you never feel safe, anywhere? It suggests men are somehow all out to harm women (as, lets face it, she does not feel like that around women).

Where is somewhere you can exist without fear?
My home, when I?m with my boyfriend. It sickens me to have to admit to feeling secure when I?m with a man. It?s because I know people are far less likely to harass me if I?m accompanied.

This paints men as harassing and animalistic. That's simply not true.

Do women treat you differently than men?
Women are more empathic, considered, honest & tactile. The more I experience the men the more I?m experiencing their bias & privilege.

WTF?!

In what ways does being a woman make you vulnerable or exposed?
We have come to understand the world as a ?Man?s space? and that we women are merely traveling through that space, although not all people feel this way, it is evidenced in cat calls, street harassment and the constant pursuit of women by strange men.

What do you think are positive ways the world views women?
It?s funny, this question once struck me as innocent enough until I started asking women it. I found that EVERY answer they came up with had a seed of male gaze within it, and of course that?s the case. If you think of the patriarchy as a tree, it?s roots tainted by male privilege & oppression then all the fruits of that tree are tainted as well, no matter how prettily it?s dressed up. In order to state that ?being a woman is good because of?? is to separate us into categories that are arbitrary and socially inflicted anyway. If being a woman, by today?s standards, benefits you then you aren?t benefiting. You?re merely feeding back into a system that let?s you down.

This is where I feel it is just... completely and totally unfair.

She says this:

What does a sexual relationship mean to you?
Respect & honesty, no compromises & no elevation of one?s needs over the others?.

... then says this:

Do you feel that your desires are marginalized in the bedroom or are less important? If so why do you think that is?
I used to feel like someone an act was being performed on rather than a willing partner in an activity. I was so deferential I would just desperately try to please the people I was with, be a cool girl, a goddamn fantasy. I?ve now learned how overrated being a cool girl is. Now my current partner has flipped the tables entirely making our sex life about my needs.

So is it equality, or equality at the expense of his needs?

Have you found a balance of fulfillment with your partners?
In the past no. I felt myself offering myself up to please them, even if I was utterly repulsed or disinterested and I would often fake my orgasms.

Men take, and never give?

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The whole think from that point on goes a bit nuts.
 

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This one actually hurts:

How do you think the world at large views women?
As mothers, s**ts, virgins, or wives.

My wife is a wife and a mother and a woman - its a fact. She's married to me, she has a kid, and she's biologically a female. Why exactly am I eradicating two and leaving one?
 

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She's entitled to her opinion and doesn't really go into detail about the experiences that have lead to that. I do think she's a weird chick, but I'm more with whall here. Overly dramatic I can see, but that's about it. Otherwise fairly tame and typical feminist rhetoric, which is to be expected given the nature of the site.

Side note, I recently had to do a decent essay on the male gaze. Ain't that some shit....
 

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This one actually hurts:



My wife is a wife and a mother and a woman - its a fact. She's married to me, she has a kid, and she's biologically a female. Why exactly am I eradicating two and leaving one?

I feel like you've taken the wrong context with this specific one, tbh. It seems to me she's more implying that society has a very specific set of roles that it feels women should fit, and that those roles are rather simplistic and primitive. Which, in fairness, is still true in some ways...although not anywhere near as much as some women would have us believe
 

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If you're not for us, you're against us, which is ignorance basically. Not that I'm against feminism; but suggesting the 'other side' is somehow to be written off is intellectually dishonest.

I think anyone who is against equality should be written off.


So you never feel safe, anywhere? It suggests men are somehow all out to harm women (as, lets face it, she does not feel like that around women).



This paints men as harassing and animalistic. That's simply not true.



WTF?!
This three read to me to be of insecurity arising from bad experiences instead of hatred.




This is where I feel it is just... completely and totally unfair.

I think an interesting point can be made due to historical patriachy (caused by the rise of agriculture and perpetuated by religion) that it is always, at least for the forseeable future going to be a world judged by male standards in the same respect that a world that has been dominated by white European global hegemony is always going to be judged by western standards. I'm not saying that I necessary agree with it but I do think that it is a valid standpoint.

She says this:



... then says this:

So is it equality, or equality at the expense of his needs?

This was probably my biggest issue with the piece. A lack of commas makes it difficult to judge meaning. If she is referring to 'flipping the tables entirely' in a figurative as opposed to a literal sense she might just be referring to the fact that her (in addition to her partner's needs) are being adequately addressed however if she is referring to the priortisation of her needs than I agree with you. Frankly I'm not entirely sure as to what she means, however if she is a true egalitarian then she meant the former.

Men take, and never give?

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The whole think from that point on goes a bit nuts.

Again to me, this just reeks of insecurity more than anything else.
 

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I'm with Whall, I didnt find anything overtly man hater with Caitlen. She seems alright, bit of a funny looking vag. but I am pretty sure she would be pleased to hear I would still thrash it. I emailed admin & requested they remove the pics of Alexis & Candice from the site though. No one needs to see that shit. I look forward to the response.
 

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In what ways does being a woman make you vulnerable or exposed?
We have come to understand the world as a ‘Man’s space’ and that we women are merely traveling through that space, although not all people feel this way, it is evidenced in cat calls, street harassment and the constant pursuit of women by strange men.

do strange men not deserve love and affection too? im confused by this comment.
 

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f**k i hate privilege. I'm white, poor, obese, covered in tattoos and look like a criminal, and get sidelong looks everywhere i go. Privileged apparently.
 

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Feminism as it is today is so far from what it was intended as that it might as well be the Catholic Church.

You've got the camp who actually want equality, the camp that hate men, and the camp that think feminism was invented so that they could cop a lot of dick and not have to be called a s**t - as if men doing the equivalent weren't generally despicable human beings to begin with.
 

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I know it's another discussion entirely but I have no issue with people f**king as many people as they like tbh...
 

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I know it's another discussion entirely but I have no issue with people f**king as many people as they like tbh...

I'm hardly one to judge. I honestly couldn't tell you how many women I've slept with. But I also don't think it's behaviour that needs to be celebrated.
 
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