Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

[Misanthrope]

here's one for discussion..

have you ever been at a function where the wait staff top up drinks?

and the good staff can do it without you even noticing?

lets say you are driving, and you know you can only have two glasses of wine..

and as far as you know, you've finished two glasses during the evening..

you head out in your car, and come across an RBT.. you pull up, expecting everything to be sweet as you monitored your drinking and consciously only had two glasses..

but you blow over the limit and are charged, because without your knowledge your glass was topped up 4 times, leading you to drink 4 glasses instead of two?

where does the duty of care / responsibility sit here?



not that this has happened to me, and yes, fully aware that if you don't feel right to drive, you shouldn't, but lets say for this example the character in the story above felt right to drive..

kinda curious on this one.....

I would say it is 100% your own responsibility.

For one: look after your own glass. Are you trying to get date-raped?

For two: unless you inform the staff that you are intended to drive and thus do not want your drink filled up, it's not their responsibility to not give you more.

 

[RHCP]

What if your drink is genuinely spiked? How would that get handled?

 

[muzby]

I would say it is 100% your own responsibility.

For one: look after your own glass. Are you trying to get date-raped?

For two: unless you inform the staff that you are intended to drive and thus do not want your drink filled up, it's not their responsibility to not give you more.

indeed..

however I'm referring to the situations where you have a drink-ninja for a waiter, and you think you've kept an eye on it, but haven't..

which also gets me thinking - how does RSA come into these situations.. generally a quick and easy way to work out if someone has had too much is when they are (trying) to speak to you to order more..

if someone isn't talking, but is upright and not showing outward signs of intoxication, how would they know they didn't need any more?

 

[Misanthrope]

indeed..

however I'm referring to the situations where you have a drink-ninja for a waiter, and you think you've kept an eye on it, but haven't..

which also gets me thinking - how does RSA come into these situations.. generally a quick and easy way to work out if someone has had too much is when they are (trying) to speak to you to order more..

if someone isn't talking, but is upright and not showing outward signs of intoxication, how would they know they didn't need any more?

I could be way off base, but aren't functions with the floating waiter/waitress distributing booze usually private? In that case, I would imagine the responsibility would be on the host, and not a catering company.

 

[Drew-Sta]

You got done, did you muz?

I tend to keep my drink in hand at those types of places. Is the only way.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

It does help, but seriously I know what muzby is saying.

I've been at a couple of industry events where the ninjas fill the glass while you're holding it and you don't notice half the time.

I had the wife to drive but still...

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

I could be way off base, but aren't functions with the floating waiter/waitress distributing booze usually private? In that case, I would imagine the responsibility would be on the host, and not a catering company.

Still falls legally on the caterer. They are supplying the drinks, so they are responsible for RSA.

 

[muzby]

You got done, did you muz?
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haha.. Nope, but was at a dinner function recently where we had uber-ninja waitstaff who topped up the wine at the table, and it got me thinking the next morning when i tried counting back the number of drinks I'd had...

 

[Drew-Sta]

It does help, but seriously I know what muzby is saying.

I've been at a couple of industry events where the ninjas fill the glass while you're holding it and you don't notice half the time.

I had the wife to drive but still...

Yes, they can be sneaky. I have got in the habit of holding my glass by the rim, with my hand covering the opening.

They have to ask me if they can refill at that point, and I normally decline.

haha.. Nope, but was at a dinner function recently where we had uber-ninja waitstaff who topped up the wine at the table, and it got me thinking the next morning when i tried counting back the number of drinks I'd had...

Glad to hear you're ok

 

[Bazal]

Pffft. Who drives to an event like that? Amateurs the lot of you. The more top ups the better!

 

[Skinner]

Pffft. Who drives to an event like that? Amateurs the lot of you. The more top ups the better!

My thoughts exactly - cab or wife and get happily pissed.

 

[God-King Dean]

I have idea for a novel.

It would a part post-apocalyptic horror, part fantasy, part steam punk.

I would call it 'Dustbowl.'

 

[Misanthrope]

I have idea for a novel.

It would a part post-apocalyptic horror, part fantasy, part steam punk.

I would call it 'Dustbowl.'

Sounds brilliant. Future best seller.

 

[Dragon2010]

Exhausted after today. Managed to do 500+ practice questions for biology studies plus a ton of other studies and CrossFit killed me. Can hardly move now. But so worth it.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

I have idea for a novel.

It would a part post-apocalyptic horror, part fantasy, part steam punk.

I would call it 'Dustbowl.'

Just make sure your pen name is hyphenated.
Publishers love that.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

harden up

 

[Didgi]

here's one for discussion..

have you ever been at a function where the wait staff top up drinks?

and the good staff can do it without you even noticing?

lets say you are driving, and you know you can only have two glasses of wine..

and as far as you know, you've finished two glasses during the evening..

you head out in your car, and come across an RBT.. you pull up, expecting everything to be sweet as you monitored your drinking and consciously only had two glasses..

but you blow over the limit and are charged, because without your knowledge your glass was topped up 4 times, leading you to drink 4 glasses instead of two?

where does the duty of care / responsibility sit here?



not that this has happened to me, and yes, fully aware that if you don't feel right to drive, you shouldn't, but lets say for this example the character in the story above felt right to drive..

kinda curious on this one.....

Morally I'd say it's on the drinker. The wait staff are doing their job, you know its happening.

Legally there's no duty of care on the establishment beyond facilitating safe exit from the premises.

 

[Misanthrope]

Just make sure your pen name is hyphenated.
Publishers love that.

Funnily enough, one of the reasons I changed my name to what it is today is because 'Chris Bush' sounded so workmanlike.

That said, if I'm ever lucky enough to be published, I think I'll do it as C.W. Bush in the tradition of George and Tolkien.

 

[Misanthrope]

P.S. I just killed senses in my novel, as requested.

 

[Dragon2010]

P.S. I just killed senses in my novel, as requested.

Who else makes an appearance in this epic novel?