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Up the ante, says Bennett

nqboy

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I don't agree but in the interests of balance, here's Bennett's opinion on the Gasnier soap opera

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,18671624-10389,00.html

WAYNE Bennett has called for rugby league to launch a fightback campaign against rugby union by giving extra money to the game's "must keep" players.

The Brisbane Broncos coach believes the NRL should establish a panel of experts to draw up a list of the game's elite players, who could be given extra money beyond the salary cap to ensure they stayed in the code.

"There might be six to 10 players and it might take only $200,000 to $300,000 to retain them all because one thing I do know about the guys who are going to rugby is that they're going for money, not because it is a better game," Bennett writes in his column in the print edition of today's Courier-Mail.

Bennett's comments come as league braces for the possible defection of St George-Illawarra Test centre Mark Gasnier to union, which is reportedly prepared to offer him $750,000 a season to join other star league recruits Wendell Sailor, Mat Rogers and Lote Tuqiri. The Queensland Reds have also shown an interest in Bulldogs rugby league international Willie Tonga.

NRL chief executive David Gallop admitted the issue was difficult but said providing current stars with extra money was not the solution.

"The problem is that you have players who might not be in the top six you are signing, yet they could be more important to their club than some that do get the extra money," Gallop said. "Brett Kimmorley is one example with the Sharks. Also, if you sign six players, (union) might just sign player seven, eight or nine and you end up chasing your tail. If you picked a small group of players it can only give some clubs an advantage over others and one of the strengths of our competition over the last few years has been its evenness."

Broncos chief executive Bruno Cullen liked the idea of a panel governing decisions of additional payments but conceded the allocation of those payments had the potential to create problems.

"I feel we should try and keep our marquee players in the game and that it should be funded by sponsors in the game but the question is how far do you go?" Cullen said. "You could have criteria saying they must have played 10 Tests, then someone like Benji Marshall, who has done none of that, just jumps out of the ground and shows he will attract a lot of people to the game. The difficult thing is to decide who is worth keeping."

Last night, Gasnier's uncle – league immortal Reg Gasnier – joined the call for national selectors to snub his nephew for the May 5 Test against New Zealand if he opts to switch codes.

"I wouldn't pick him, not if he's going to rugby union, and I don't know if he is or not," Reg Gasnier said. "Of course I would like to see him stay, but I've had my time. He's going through his now."


ARU boss Gary Flowers has demanded an assurance from Gasnier that he is genuine about leaving league before agreeing to talk about money. Flowers last night warned he would not allow the ARU to be used as "a pawn in some other agenda".

Kudos Puff for your comments. Unfortuanately, I don't see the same type of honour in your nephew.
 

innsaneink

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Sorta like buying your missus a $5000 diamond ring when you know shes going to aske for a divorce down the track - pointless.
 

salivor

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It's a difficult one as it lends itself to abuse from top players just using union to bump their price up.
 

stuke

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3 topline League players went to Rugby Union 4 years ago. since then we have witnessed every topline player off contract being linked to the code but only reserve-graders/fringe first graders follow over to the code.

this does not deserve the hysteria it is receiving. OK Gasnier is going, probably the best centre in the NRL at the moment. He will be replaced, like every other player is.

I do support the representative ban on these players, just like players who sign for English clubs. that is the main 'carrot' that the NRL can dangle in front of players. why shouldn't they use it.
 

innsaneink

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Make an example of him.....make it policy players even considering union wont be cosidered for rep selection....might make a few of them & their leeches think twice about spinning the '' i'm going to kick n clap'' crap
 

ibeme

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innsaneink said:
Make an example of him.....make it policy players even considering union wont be cosidered for rep selection....might make a few of them & their leeches think twice about spinning the '' i'm going to kick n clap'' crap

Not a bad idea. Kind of removes union as a bargaining chip.
 

Mr_Raditch

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Im glad Gallop is running the game & not Bennett.
If players/managers are threatining to go to union then let them go. This will quickly stop the union card being thrown around whenever a contract is up. Once the clubs show manager's that a possible switch to union isn't going to make them bump up the price I guarantee it will stop being used.
 

Perth Red

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If the 750,000 is true it is going to cost a hell of alot more than 3-400,000 to keep the top 10 players in League (is there any threat of the top 10 players going to union? I only see one, maybe two)

If the NRl had anything about them they would have spin doctors feeding stories to the media about how the ARU has poor development programs and how RL is clearly the better sport as RU is relying on it for its stars. RU would soon stop signing players if they were getting massive negative publicity every time they were linked with a RL player.
 

drake

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In my opinion I reckon it his agent using Union to beat up Mark's salary, and hopefully get a deal for the rest of his stable. If the manager can get leverage for Gasnier, then every marquee player that Mimis manages can do the same. And for every player that gets more cash, Mimis gets his slice of the pie.

Union is more than happy to join in the facade, as it gets them some exposure in the press and raises their profile. We all know that every bit of press they get these days revolves around current or ex league players.
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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if we keep matching the ARU offers the NRL would go broke..if i was in charge of the ARU and my rival code said that then id offer star league players truckloads of cash and wait for the NRL to match it, eventually there bound to go bust.
 

Dakink

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We also need to be careful not to give Union to many free kciks by letting them sign bum on seats players. If the Wobbolies start winning regularly again the game will grow in stature again.

I see two options - the CA method of contracting the top 25 players or increasing the amount of money players get for rep games - this is outside of salary cap, so the clubs dont have to worry. If the top line players can earn more through rep commitments it will top up their club contract.
 

Mr Saab

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I am a fan of Bennett, but not in this case.
If any player wants to go to union then let them go.
Sure, union has 4 league players playing for them in Rogers, Lote, Del, and Barnes (barnes not having their rep), but Union are not going to continue to buy league players as it would make an absolute mockery of their code. It would be like basketball buying netball players.
 

_Johnsy

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The biggest probem for the saints is, they do not buy big name players. they do develop their juniors and are punished for doing so. If Gaz really wants to go let him go. It would be a shame to see him play yawnion. When will the NRL get serious about salary cap discounts for juniors of a club. StGeorge illawarra are being punished for having a very successful junior development programme. They are one club who have always lost junior talent after the player becomes a success, the club just cant afford to keep its own. A joke
 

nqboy

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Perth Red said:
If the NRl had anything about them they would have spin doctors feeding stories to the media about how the ARU has poor development programs and how RL is clearly the better sport as RU is relying on it for its stars. RU would soon stop signing players if they were getting massive negative publicity every time they were linked with a RL player.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Between this and your support for the return of the Perth Reds, we need to get you on the NRL Board.
 

Godz Illa

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"Let them go, they will be replaced"

Imo this is the kind of arrogant, elitist rationale that Yawnion employed for so many years, which has led to its current standing as the inferior little brother of League. We can't afford to make the same mistake, the game needs to defend itself. First Warren Ryan and now Wayne Bennett, two noted League thinkers and highly successful coaches, have suggested we take some measures to fight back the Union threat. I tend to agree with the smart people. We still don't have better Test wingers than Tuqiri and Rogers - how long do we have to wait for them to be replaced?
 

nqboy

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Godz Illa said:
"Let them go, they will be replaced"

Imo this is the kind of arrogant, elitist rationale that Yawnion employed for so many years, which has led to its current standing as the inferior little brother of League. We can't afford to make the same mistake, the game needs to defend itself. First Warren Ryan and now Wayne Bennett, two noted League thinkers and highly successful coaches, have suggested we take some measures to fight back the Union threat.
Let's see, you'd be a Illasox fan?
 

nqboy

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Funnily enough, considering the alternatives (Gower, Kimmorley and Orford), I consider Barrett the first choice NSW half after Joey.
 

Godz Illa

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nqboy said:
Let's see, you'd be a Illasox fan?
Lame response, the issue is bigger than mere club allegiances (for what it's worth, I don't think Gaz will go, the thing is - he could). I didn't want Tuqiri, Rogers, Sailor, Johns to leave the game either. The prevalent feeling seems to be that the game is so wonderfully awesome that it can afford to lose these big backline stars from time to time. Maybe it can - but I think that's beside the point. The point is: we should not be losing them at all.
 

BroncoBuck

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Agree with Godz Illa. We need to defend our stars. They are not substituable. If they were, why would union pay so much money for them. It's stars like Tuqiri, Gasnier and Johns that puts bums on seats and they are worth the extra money. To all those that think league will go broke, league is the more popular sport. It should not be losing talent to union, if anything we should be poaching from them.

And those who complain about player salaries need to look at the bigger picture. I think the average league salary is about $150k. Players have career of about 10 years at the top level (probably less when you consider the high risk of injury). That's $1.5 mill. After which you are dumped in the labour market with no trade, a body full of hurt and little other prospects. The average full time Australian worker earns about $50k a year and probably has about 40 years in the labour force. That's $2 mill. I don't think League players are overpaid.
 

Woods99

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BroncoBuck said:
Agree with Godz Illa. We need to defend our stars. They are not substituable. If they were, why would union pay so much money for them. It's stars like Tuqiri, Gasnier and Johns that puts bums on seats and they are worth the extra money. To all those that think league will go broke, league is the more popular sport. It should not be losing talent to union, if anything we should be poaching from them.

And those who complain about player salaries need to look at the bigger picture. I think the average league salary is about $150k. Players have career of about 10 years at the top level (probably less when you consider the high risk of injury). That's $1.5 mill. After which you are dumped in the labour market with no trade, a body full of hurt and little other prospects. The average full time Australian worker earns about $50k a year and probably has about 40 years in the labour force. That's $2 mill. I don't think League players are overpaid.

According to the NRL, the average number of games in a first grade player's career is 58. Ten years would be for just a relatively few players.
 

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