USA Hawks 2017 World Cup

[Golden point]

And why is that? Why are you so keen to watch Australians, kiwis and poms play it out once every four years? You can literally watch that every year already.

America seem to have got a nice balance, they may not be competitive but they wouldn’t win it even if every player was heritage.

Yeah when Russia got flogged in the world Cup they had a good domestic comp.....
If the us had been flogged last world cup, where do you think they would be now? Sponsors? Ticket sales? Jersey sales? I think they could have thrown a couple more local in but you have to be careful... you have entirely amateur players that are tested against amateur players for a short season..... gunna get flogged! this will kill any credibility that their comp has along with sponsors and any chance of a tv deal. This could be the death of the game in the US.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Yeah when Russia got flogged in the world Cup they had a good domestic comp.....
If the us had been flogged last world cup, where do you think they would be now? Sponsors? Ticket sales? Jersey sales? I think they could have thrown a couple more local in but you have to be careful... you have entirely amateur players that are tested against amateur players for a short season..... gunna get flogged! this will kill any credibility that their comp has along with sponsors and any chance of a tv deal. This could be the death of the game in the US.

The last World Cup did precisely nothing for the game in the US and they made the quarter finals. In fact it was the death of the governing body of the sport there because the domestic players and clubs revolted against it. Literally the opposite of what you're saying.

 

[Golden point]

The last World Cup did precisely nothing for the game in the US and they made the quarter finals. In fact it was the death of the governing body of the sport there because the domestic players and clubs revolted against it. Literally the opposite of what you're saying.

Using the opposite approach doesn't mean that you will get an opposite result- that is foolish.
In fact the sport stayed the same in the us since then, even grew....
What is the opposite of neutral??

I wonder how Russia will go in this world cup? They used domestic players and that was ages ago so they must be kicking ass by now....

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Using the opposite approach doesn't mean that you will get an opposite result- that is foolish.
In fact the sport stayed the same in the us since then, even grew....
What is the opposite of neutral??

I wonder how Russia will go in this world cup? They used domestic players and that was ages ago so they must be kicking ass by now....

The sport in the US has seen a complete change of leadership since then largely because of the lack of domestic players in the last WC. The greatest threat to the USARL would be to repeat that. Your suggestion that using ring-ins is somehow better for the game in that country is patently wrong and has been proven so quite clearly.

As for your bizarre Russian comparison, the game did grow there after 2000 but then crashed when the top clubs went to union. And that had nothing to do with the WC or domestic versus ring-ins or anything of the sort. It was mostly due to a lack of opportunities for the domestic clubs and players and other localised factors. In any case they didn't just use local players. There were a number of ring-ins in their 2000 squad. None of whom ever played for them again.

 

[Pommy]

We could rename the 16 NRL teams with the names of different countries and this guy would be made up at the prospect.

Shotgun Melbourne being England/Great Britain.

 

[Golden point]

We could rename the 16 NRL teams with the names of different countries and this guy would be made up at the prospect.

Shotgun Melbourne being England/Great Britain.

If any of these nations produce high quality players will they be:

A: picked up by an NRL club

B: picked up by Super league

C: picked up by a professional union club

Or
D: continue to play in the local amateur league for free while working a part time job.

You are delusional if you think that quality international competition will be playing park football.

Canada gets it.

 

[Pommy]

If any of these nations produce high quality players will they be:

A: picked up by an NRL club

B: picked up by Super league

C: picked up by a professional union club

Or
D: continue to play in the local amateur league for free while working a part time job.

You are delusional if you think that quality international competition will be playing park football.

Canada gets it.

So why did USA qualify for the world cup at the expense of Canada?

I would argue having teams full of aussies isn't international competition at all.

 

[Golden point]

The sport in the US has seen a complete change of leadership since then largely because of the lack of domestic players in the last WC. The greatest threat to the USARL would be to repeat that. Your suggestion that using ring-ins is somehow better for the game in that country is patently wrong and has been proven so quite clearly.

As for your bizarre Russian comparison, the game did grow there after 2000 but then crashed when the top clubs went to union. And that had nothing to do with the WC or domestic versus ring-ins or anything of the sort. It was mostly due to a lack of opportunities for the domestic clubs and players and other localised factors. In any case they didn't just use local players. There were a number of ring-ins in their 2000 squad. None of whom ever played for them again.

Bizzar Russian comparison? Wow. You have clear Desire to ignore the evidence. Ok let's look at South Africa... they choose only domestic players.... why isn't the sport exploding there??

Yeah people turn out in thier thousands to see the postman try to find a gap lol

 

[Golden point]

So why did USA qualify for the world cup at the expense of Canada?

I would argue having teams full of aussies isn't international competition at all.

Wow you got the wolfpack under the pump! Lol ummm they didn't even exist during the qualifications.
Please give them more time/ any time lol

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Bizzar Russian comparison? Wow. You have clear Desire to ignore the evidence. Ok let's look at South Africa... they choose only domestic players.... why isn't the sport exploding there??

Yeah people turn out in thier thousands to see the postman try to find a gap lol

Scotland uses a full team of ring-ins. Why isn't the game exploding there? They made the WC quarter final last time too, and the Four Nations.

Italy use a full team of ring-ins. Why isn't the game exploding there? They beat Wales and drew with Scotland last time.


Hmmm it's almost as if these comparisons are nonsense.

You're the one ignoring the facts. The domestic game was in such uproar at the selection of an almost entirely illegitimate team in 2013 that the governing body in the US collapsed and was replaced. So how does that fit your theory about ring-ins = success and growth and domestics = failure and demise?

 

[Pommy]

Wow you got the wolfpack under the pump! Lol ummm they didn't even exist during the qualifications.
Please give them more time/ any time lol

Apart from in your fantasies club sides and rep sides are two totally different things.

Bizzar Russian comparison? Wow. You have clear Desire to ignore the evidence. Ok let's look at South Africa... they choose only domestic players.... why isn't the sport exploding there??

Yeah people turn out in thier thousands to see the postman try to find a gap lol

You do realise there is this whole other code and the two don't tend to play well together, well South Africa is a bastion for that other code.

 

[Golden point]

So why did USA qualify for the world cup at the expense of Canada?

I would argue having teams full of aussies isn't international competition at all.

Your right though the Fijian's are mostly nrl and they all have names like smith , wear slouch hats and Chuck another shrimp on the barbie lol
Don't mind a bit of dead horse on a dog's eye cobber aye!

 

[Pommy]

Your right though the Fijian's are mostly nrl and they all have names like smith , wear slouch hats and Chuck another shrimp on the barbie lol
Don't mind a bit of dead horse on a dog's eye cobber aye!

You're totally right Fiji don't have anyone with Anglo-Saxon surnames that happen to be born in Australia playing for them.

What a f**king shit example lol

 

[Golden point]

Scotland uses a full team of ring-ins. Why isn't the game exploding there? They made the WC quarter final last time too, and the Four Nations.

Italy use a full team of ring-ins. Why isn't the game exploding there? They beat Wales and drew with Scotland last time.


Hmmm it's almost as if these comparisons are nonsense.

You're the one ignoring the facts. The domestic game was in such uproar at the selection of an almost entirely illegitimate team in 2013 that the governing body in the US collapsed and was replaced. So how does that fit your theory about ring-ins = success and growth and domestics = failure and demise?

Where did I say that the game would explode?????
Be happy. We have a healthy , profitable and very watchable WORLD CUP!
thanks ring ins

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Ok let's look at South Africa... they choose only domestic players.... why isn't the sport exploding there?

Where did I say that the game would explode?????

So you can question why the game isn't "exploding" (your word) in countries that use domestic players, but I can't ask why it isn't "exploding" in countries that rely on a team full of ring-ins?

And you continue to ignore the facts about the US and its recent history on the subject.

 

[Golden point]

You're totally right Fiji don't have anyone with Anglo-Saxon surnames that happen to be born in Australia playing for them.

What a f**king shit example lol

You said "ENTIRELY AUSSIES "
The Australian team doesn't have entirely aussies lol are you telling me that the aussies aren't legitimate?

 

[Pommy]

You said "ENTIRELY AUSSIES "
The Australian team doesn't have entirely aussies lol are you telling me that the aussies aren't legitimate?

I think I said full of Aussies.

 

[Golden point]

So you can question why the game isn't "exploding" (your word) in countries that use domestic players, but I can't ask why it isn't "exploding" in countries that rely on a team full of ring-ins?

And you continue to ignore the facts about the US and its recent history on the subject.

The issue is that there is no world cup with entirely domestic players.
The AFL has a world cup... they actually have many more teams in the US then league, but no one will go see a bunch of amateurs getting smashed.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

The issue is that there is no world cup with entirely domestic players.
The AFL has a world cup... they actually have many more teams in the US then league, but no one will go see a bunch of amateurs getting smashed.

And the VFL could ring in a bunch of players with dubious American heritage and still no one will watch it AND the real Americans who play the sport (as if there are any) would be pissed off.

Now where has something like that happened before?

 

[Golden point]

I think I said full of Aussies.

So is fiji FULL (look up the definition of full) of aussies?
Do you think that YOUR judgement of one's nationality is more important than what the individual identifies themselves as?