Video Ref for forward passes?

[Charlie124]

won't someone please think of the angles!

 

[Eels Dude]

It can happen, all you would have to do is mark where the ball was thrown and where the ball was taken .
for example: the ball 1meter from the 20meter line and the player catches it 1.3 meters from the 20meter line.
so say your 5 meters from half way all you do is calculate how far was the ball thrown from that line and how far was it caught from that line

Obviously you didn't even study basic physics in high school.

 

[thorson1987]

won't someone please think of the angles!

Acute or Right.

or maybe straight or reflex?

 

[imasharkie]

On another matter.
Refs and linesmen.
The ref in the world challenge was great when it came to awarding tries...no going to the video ref( I hope Archer was watching the game)
Linesmen are a waste of time, they don't ever seem to see forward passes. What the hell are they there for?

 

[thorson1987]

On another matter.
Refs and linesmen.
The ref in the world challenge was great when it came to awarding tries...no going to the video ref( I hope Archer was watching the game)
Linesmen are a waste of time, they don't ever seem to see forward passes. What the hell are they there for?

To try and look pretty.

 

[Dazraider]

You do realise that even though a ball is passed backwards it still travels in a forward direction.

so are you saying every pass travels forward or are you trying to say the ball can travel forward off a pass that is considered backwards, then all you would have to do is have a wider line from where the player passes the ball to see if it travels backwards from his hands or not.
Its definately not as hard as you think to judge a forward pass off a tv screen, just look at super league with there lines on a goal kickers attempt at goal and distance they have to cick from.

 

[Dazraider]

Obviously you didn't even study basic physics in high school.

so what was that comment for? well did i make a statement on physics did I?
I cant see where i said a ball cannot travel forward from a backward pass or maybe you just assume i meant that as obviously as a parra supporter you assume when you keep trying to buy the comp you will actually win one

 

[thorson1987]

so are you saying every pass travels forward or are you trying to say the ball can travel forward off a pass that is considered backwards, then all you would have to do is have a wider line from where the player passes the ball to see if it travels backwards from his hands or not.
Its definately not as hard as you think to judge a forward pass off a tv screen, just look at super league with there lines on a goal kickers attempt at goal and distance they have to cick from.

Yes, every pass (when players are moving forward) travels forward relative to the stationary ground.

And the bit about the super league and kicking is the dumbest thing i have heard. All that is for is to show the viewers at home the distance and angle of the kick. Would not do anything for passes.

 

[Eels Dude]

so what was that comment for? well did i make a statement on physics did I?
I cant see where i said a ball cannot travel forward from a backward pass or maybe you just assume i meant that as obviously as a parra supporter you assume when you keep trying to buy the comp you will actually win one

It's all based on physics. If you a player is running at full speed and throws a pass backwards or even sideways it will travel forward because if a player is running forward the momentum of their forward motion will carry onto the ball after it is passed meaning it will reach the recieving player in front of where the passing player throws the ball from.

If a player is running full at full speed after a line break and throws a long backwards off the hands cut out pass to the sideline even though thrown backwards it will travel up to 10 metres forward in the air simply because of the players momentum when running at full speed.

So you need to take physics into account when judging this, and if you don't understand that then there was a brief lesson for you.

 

[fred95]

I believe video ref should be allowed to rule on a forward pass.

Because they don’t really need to rule on the projectory of the ball – just the hands – and if they were forward/backward and the pass is released

This forward, backward releasing by the hands is just a ploy to justify the referees' decisions on the plethora of forward passes that result in tries every weekend. we need lines across the field every 10 metres to see if the trajectory of the pass travels in a forward motion. The linesmen have the power to rule on forward passes but rarely do so, referees hate nothing more than an upstart linesman picking up an obvious forward pass that the ref ignored or missed. I believe forward passes to be the greatest blight in our game, and something needs to be done them.

 

[Quidgybo]

It would be much cheaper to hire some compentant touch judges instead of the do nothing star gazers we currently have

I love comments like this about touch judges and refs. Please point us to the comp where all these vastly more competent touch judges are currently hiding.

Leigh

 

[user_nat]

I bet the majority of those 13.5 forward passes that don't get called are from dummy half.

Where a chip should be able to determine that it went forward.

 

[babyg]

let the video ref call on obvious mistakes

 

[Dazraider]

It's all based on physics. If you a player is running at full speed and throws a pass backwards or even sideways it will travel forward because if a player is running forward the momentum of their forward motion will carry onto the ball after it is passed meaning it will reach the recieving player in front of where the passing player throws the ball from.

If a player is running full at full speed after a line break and throws a long backwards off the hands cut out pass to the sideline even though thrown backwards it will travel up to 10 metres forward in the air simply because of the players momentum when running at full speed.

So you need to take physics into account when judging this, and if you don't understand that then there was a brief lesson for you.

I understand what you are getting at there but every pass is not forward as of offloads do not travel in a forward motion when i player is held is ground and offloads to another player on the burst or when there is a scrum and dummy half play the bal lwont travel foward if the player who passes it is not moving in that direction and are stationary.
so again how is every pass forward?

 

[Eels Dude]

I understand what you are getting at there but every pass is not forward as of offloads do not travel in a forward motion when i player is held is ground and offloads to another player on the burst or when there is a scrum and dummy half play the bal lwont travel foward if the player who passes it is not moving in that direction and are stationary.
so again how is every pass forward?

I never said every pass is forward. Every pass thrown while a player is running forward though will move forward. Hence why it cannot really be determined by marking lines because by marking lines all it will show is the ball is in front of where it was thrown from but that is not necessarily a forward pass. So how do you incorporate this into using a 'line marking' situation?

 

[*Paul*]

Here's a simple example.
http://home.exetel.com.au/files/hodges.mpg

Hodges is always in front of the ball and the recipient, yet the ball travels a considerable distance over the line.

 

[Crusher]

I love comments like this about touch judges and refs. Please point us to the comp where all these vastly more competent touch judges are currently hiding.

Leigh

Xbox and Playstation

 

[Dazraider]

I never said every pass is forward. Every pass thrown while a player is running forward though will move forward. Hence why it cannot really be determined by marking lines because by marking lines all it will show is the ball is in front of where it was thrown from but that is not necessarily a forward pass. So how do you incorporate this into using a 'line marking' situation?

ok missed the brackets when you said every pass is forward.

1.have two replays of the play that are both paused
2, one is focused on where the player passed the ball from the nearest 10 meter line
3.the other judges the distance from the same line to the ball that has just left the players hands giving enough space for the naked eye to see whether the ball has travelled forward from that player of backwards.
the player will also been seen where he is once the ball has left his hand and if the players hands are behind the ball just after it has left his hands then physics cant come into account as there would be not enough time to counter that action.

 

[Mark Rudd]

Ok, here's the solution.

The ball has an inbuilt GPS that is aligned correctly to the current ground that it's being used at.

If the ball goes forward then using the standard 1000th of a second response time most GPS's run at, then it sends a signal to an inbuilt generator that develops heat that warms the ball at 10 degrees per 100th of a second until the ball heats up significantly enough heat to cause the ball to glow orange, causing the player to drop the ball due to heat.

An obvious forward pass that is fool prove EVERY TIME.

And while the ball cools down - losing 10 degrees per second - the TV station cuts to a few adds increasing TV exposure at the same time.


Wins all around for the NRL, tv stations, players and fans alike.

 

[Perth Tiger]

I love comments like this about touch judges and refs. Please point us to the comp where all these vastly more competent touch judges are currently hiding.

Leigh

It was a through away line but the point still stands.

The touchies should be told your job is to watch for foward passes as they should be in better position than the ref who is usually behind or in front of the play and if they miss the blatant forward passes then they should be held accountable.

I mean really what the hell are touch judges there for if not to rule on forward passes. It is not as though the over the sidelines calls are that tough that they can't handle anything else when the main ref is monitoring about a dozens different rules at the same time.