WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

No they don’t, not even close to it.

They were quoting huge dollars for Gold Coast high rise

Like 20 to 25 over Sydney prices at the time (think it was 580k per unit)

 

[Perth Red]

So you're OK with the WA government funding it directly, under terms, and Tasmanian Afl team getting underwritten (again under terms)
but not the fed government funding PNG for 10 years, or moana pacifika or Fiji bati etc,
...seriously Make up your mind, I thought you like politis, now it's all why are we made to pay a license fee on top of our non existing 30mil, and empty Govt promises

I dont think any Govt should be directly funding a professional sports club. Be it in Port Moresby, Hobart or Perth. I think Govts have a role in funding jnr sport and participation, in funding infrastructure like stadiums which they keep ownership of and at a pinch CofE's (though that is starting to get into questionable use of public money unless it has broader community outcomes and ownership is held by the State.)

 

[Wb1234]

Hmmm.
ok lets say they are willing to put up the $30mill start up costs and the $20mill hand out to the other clubs. Whats the $12mill a year for a decade govt ask for? Whats that going to fund?

No idea lol

I don’t trust the recent media reports tbh

If you believe them the nrl are owning the club

Reality is only wa govt and pvl know where things really are now

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Rubbish mate, I built a 7 storey medical hub in 2020 for $41m and an almost identical like for like this year for $55m.

Used the exact same earthworks, formwork, precast, structural steel, post tension, concrete and supply, blockwork, roofing, services etc for the structure shell. Only difference was the Fitout company that we used.

That doesn’t equal this huge disparity you’re talking about. If companies are pricing things almost double the value then there’s two glaring issues - their margin is huge (probably over 15%-20%) and their preliminaries are through the roof.

The Coomera hospital on the Gold Coast was originally estimated at $1.66b and they can build the exact same design for $1.3b.

Good estimators are hard to find and it seems whoever it doing it in WA don’t have the experience or expertise to actually price and deliver something for its proper value.

I’m sure there will be people taking home a fat cut of that $300m for the proposed upgrades and that will have nothing to do with the actual build.

 

[MugaB]

I dont think any Govt should be directly funding a professional sports club. Be it in Port Moresby, Hobart or Perth. I think Govts have a role in funding jnr sport and participation, in funding infrastructure like stadiums which they keep ownership of and at a pinch CofE's (though that is starting to get into questionable use of public money unless it has broader community outcomes.)

And Politis is he still your poster boy? He is the NRL champion for licence fees

 

[Perth Red]

Reason was they has to buy the land next door to do it, as it was never going to fit in the area used by the stadium right now, and buying the raceway, plus relocating it, was going to cost triple, so they settled to revamping the current stadium as is, and give it updated facilities and a better roof and seating

Surely if a full new stadium can be built for less than $300mill then two stands on an existing site wouldn't be costing $310mill? Builder bears numbers just dont make sense when you factor in what penrith are actually going to build and how much they have costed it at. Wasn't the new stadium costed at $900mill inc $100mill repurchase of raceway?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I'm not sure why you guys are arguing, Red and black bore has told you he can build the stadium for a $1.50.

 

[MugaB]

Surely if a full new stadium can be built for less than $300mill then two stands on an existing site wouldn't be costing $310mill? Builder bears numbers just dont make sense when you factor in what penrith are actually going to build and how much they have costed it at. Wasn't the new stadium costed at $900mill inc $100mill repurchase of raceway?

You need the land size to build the 310mil new stadium to build on, that was the paceway, which then they need land for that to be move too, not sure if the new stadium was 900mil, or the whole precinct estimate was going to be that, (shops, entertainment area, park etc)
But you may be right, I just remember the double move of both paceway and stadium was a major factor in scraping the whole thing, and just settle for the rebuild

 

[Perth Red]

And Politis is he still your poster boy? He is the NRL champion for licence fees

any quote on that? I havent read anything from him on licenses? And as Ive stated if there should be a license fee is arguable if it actually benefits the new start up, whats not is the BS way the NRl has managed the concept of a license fee. If they wanted a fee they should have been explicit in the tender doc what it was, not left it for bids to come up with a figure. We are in amess now because the NRL stuffed up the original tender process.

But yes re Politis he was the instigator of 20 clubs idea and Perth being a must so he is up there.

 

[MugaB]

I'm not sure why you guys are arguing, Red and black bore has told you he can build the stadium for a $1.50.

We are arguing, coz if PVL just accepted your nazi gold, we would have the Porcupines already in the NRL, playing out of a brand new govt funded stadium/precinct on rotness Island by now, nor this garbage about this caveat of non existent funding for HBF park, if Cumins Zero lite got himself a licence

 

[AlwaysGreen]

We are arguing, coz if PVL just accepted your nazi gold, we would have the Porcupines already in the NRL, playing out of a brand new govt funded stadium/precinct on rotness Island by now, nor this garbage about this caveat of non existent funding for HBF park, if Cumins Zero lite got himself a licence

Cumins is our new chief financial officer so a bit of respect please peanut brittle.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I'm not sure why you guys are arguing, Red and black bore has told you he can build the stadium for a $1.50.

Isn’t your night shift fill gig starting soon? How many bongs are you gonna punch before you go to work?

Keep it to a dozen this time aye

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Isn’t your night shift fill gig starting soon? How many bongs are you gonna punch before you go to work?

Keep it to a dozen this time aye

We all have our place in society to keep the wheels turning.

We can't all be tier 2 construction gurus assessing projects from thousands of kilometres away.

And I told you before, I shoot birds at the airport.

 

[Iamback]

Surely if a full new stadium can be built for less than $300mill then two stands on an existing site wouldn't be costing $310mill? Builder bears numbers just dont make sense when you factor in what penrith are actually going to build and how much they have costed it at. Wasn't the new stadium costed at $900mill inc $100mill repurchase of raceway?

Because Penrith is:

2 x 10k seater stands
2 x changerooms
2 x lots of corporates - Commbank only has them on the tunnel side so is cheaper

Again the plans are freely available to compare.

Now you said 1 of the main stands was fine.

Take that off the Penrith Build - in theory that halves it.

Manly did a 3k seat on the Hills with a CoE for $30m.

Using that same formula you get 2 x 5k stands for $100m

There is the just over $200m

 

[Matt_CBY]

Where have you got that from?

From the horses mouth.

 

[Maximus]

Hutchinsons work off 30 percent plus
I know tier one but still

Pre labour costs vs post labour costs. Any builders talking about margins like that are not including wages.

 

[Matt_CBY]

any quote on that? I havent read anything from him on licenses? And as Ive stated if there should be a license fee is arguable if it actually benefits the new start up, whats not is the BS way the NRl has managed the concept of a license fee. If they wanted a fee they should have been explicit in the tender doc what it was, not left it for bids to come up with a figure. We are in amess now because the NRL stuffed up the original tender process.

But yes re Politis he was the instigator of 20 clubs idea and Perth being a must so he is up there.

So dramatic over nothing

 

[Bukowski]

Jesus Christ, people are now bitching about the WA govt spending TOO much on a rectangular stadium.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

The reality about the Penrith rebuild is Labor lied about it. Simple. Two stands with 16k seats all up, one of which has all the corporate and playing facilities, in addition to concourses being developed around the stadium, the sewerage infrastructure beneath the ground being relocated, is costing $300m to build. The adjacent Paceway flagged $100m for the purchase of their land, purchase of land near the regatta elsewhere and rebuilding their small stand(Libs valued this arrangement as $50m but the Paceway’s rezoning plan would have made their site’s worth jump up from $20m to, you guessed it, $100m, so they wanted every cent of that). Being nice for the sake of the Paceway let’s say they’re truthful. Anyway, for the project to cost over $900m, the two 5.5k seat stands at each end(this was a 27k seat version of Cincinnati’s MLS stadium so this is roughly what it would have been) would had to have cost OVER $250 million EACH

Imagine if that Northern end stand Manly built a couple years back almost cost as much as a full stadium. Ridiculous

 

[TheEroticGamer]

One final thing to wrap this up, the guy that came up with that ludicrous figure is also the guy that thinks the NRL should have a Vegas team. So if anyone thinks he’s worth listening to, be my guest.