WA BEARS

[Matt_CBY]

This expansion appears to be how much money PVL, the NRL and its existing clubs can get out of this, rather than some strategy that as a game we want to grow our game in a particular state or city. The NRL is simply open to the highest bidder and we don't care who pays for it. Those on here who own and run businesses would have a strategy of what they want to do rather than simply who is giving me the most money.

Given your post, it’s clear to me that you aren’t an actual Rugby League fan.

 

[Iamback]

Mr pawnbroker isn't putting in $12 million is he.

Good answer otherwise and not one mention of another sport.

You assume that PVL goes.

'you know what this bid is going well, I will just pull this random figure out of my ass to throw a spanner in the works'

Whether it turns out to be $12m or a smaller amount. That money is needed to come from somewhere.

He budgeted to only need $30m start up. Lets say that $12m becomes $6m a year.

He then needs to find another $60m... you think he is sticking around?

 

[MugaB]

You assume that PVL goes.

'you know what this bid is going well, I will just pull this random figure out of my ass to throw a spanner in the works'

Whether it turns out to be $12m or a smaller amount. That money is needed to come from somewhere.

He budgeted to only need $30m start up. Lets say that $12m becomes $6m a year.

He then needs to find another $60m... you think he is sticking around?

Pvl did say all the bids did come up short... really short compared to the likes of png bid

 

[Wb1234]

Pvl did say all the bids did come up short... really short compared to the likes of png bid

Honestly I think pvl is trying to milk more money out of Perth

The original Perth bid was a decent one

Maybe he didn’t want Cummins in bc he wasn’t going to be a good partner for the bears but he did raise 30 million

 

[MugaB]

How does forcing them into a relationship with the Bears, a team that won f**k all while it existed, help keep it out of the bottom 4?

How does taking $20m off them to give to other clubs help them financially?

There is nothing smart about either of those 2 things.

They weren't a bottom 4 team, you said it, there's your pessimistic dumb ass answer.. and they did win it, twice, which is more than the titans and warriors, and the same as the Cowboys =all expansion areas.. sounds like you hate the idea of expansion rather than just the bears... no one said Perth needs to win the premiership immediately to be a success, just not be spooning for its existence

 

[Perth Red]

For the afl it’s to cover their (Tasmanian devils) losses for ten years then it becomes an afl problem

The amount of money they extorted out of the Tasmanian govt is almost criminal

They are billions in debt and running a large deficit and have lumped the state with huge costs for an afl team during a cost of living crisis

When it comes to taxpayer money there is no bigger grifter than the afl

What league gets in comparison is insignificant

Good on pvl for trying though

I know what the tassie one is for, but you seemed to be using it as justification for Vlandys asking same of wa govt in regards to Perth funding guarantees. So is it for grassroots or is it for nrl coffers in case the club needs it in the future?

 

[Matt_CBY]

Anyone able to cut and paste please or is this the same article as yesterdays?

https://www.couriermail.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=CMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.couriermail.com.au%2Fsport%2Fnrl%2Fnrl-expansion-latest-as-arlc-chair-peter-vlandys-slams-perth-speculation%2Fnews-story%2Fb6331ddb3777df55d37b7206aa681acf&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPA-Segment-1-NOSCORE

Posted a few pages back

 

[MugaB]

Honestly I think pvl is trying to milk more money out of Perth

The original Perth bid was a decent one

Maybe he didn’t want Cummins in bc he wasn’t going to be a good partner for the bears but he did raise 30 million

I don't think that was actually his, investors from east coast more likely, I'm sure he had plenty to put in though, just not the kind of money PVL is looking for... need to make sure expansion is worthy of doing, the clubs won't accept it if it's done half arsed
No one wants teams that are taking from the pie, and not adding value to the whole

 

[Trifili13]

Given your post, it’s clear to me that you aren’t an actual Rugby League fan.

You know nothing about me.

Have you decided yet whether the branding report is worth the paper it's written? As you dismissed it when it didn't suit you and then quoted it when it did.

 

[Matt_CBY]

If this is to be believed, then why didnt any of the bidding parties know? You cant just ask people what license fee they WANT to pay. No one will offer something they dont have to.

This conversation has already been had. Old timers similar to you showed they don’t understand how the modern day business world works, as you just have now.

 

[Wb1234]

I know what the tassie one is for, but you seemed to be using it as justification for Vlandys asking same of wa govt in regards to Perth funding guarantees. So is it for grassroots or is it for nrl coffers in case the club needs it in the future?

You are such a punish

What pvl wants the money to be spent on might be different but getting the govt to pay ongoing costs is copied from Tasmania

The article literally quotes pvl who uses Tasmania as an example

 

[Iamback]

Pvl did say all the bids did come up short... really short compared to the likes of png bid

correct.

It isn't like it was just out of the blue, from the reporting even Cummins himself.

He had scrapped together the $30m he thought he would need. With the club grant and sponsors the team would be financial.

The NRL saw holes in development for example that wasn't factored in.

Throw in the lack of assets required to raise a franchise fee and there was nothing for a rainy day. 3-4 years down the track when the budgeting was wrong.

Then you end up with another Titans on your hands

 

[MugaB]

I know what the tassie one is for, but you seemed to be using it as justification for Vlandys asking same of wa govt in regards to Perth funding guarantees. So is it for grassroots or is it for nrl coffers in case the club needs it in the future?

Not sure how you don't see it being the same...
Both states want a licence from those respective sports, AFL got their wishes, by bullying tactics, but if PVL does it, bad bad bad..
...Always the same song
PR = AFL good, NRL bad

 

[Perth Red]

Yes and outside Bears pathways what is actually in place right now? Nothing. There’s no assets, the infrastructure hasn’t been built, the start up costs are on the provision of acceptance and it’s not like they have money in the bank as an operating entity.

How is it similar then? Why are you struggling to differentiate Dolphins and WA?

That’s the point of the bears partnership isn’t it? and Pathways from day one whilst WA’s get built to compliment it.
there wold be assets and infrastructure the govt has committed to building the club a cofe and the bid had a few million in reserves After start up costs. Of course, people aren’t depositing $30mill into an account just in case they get a license at some time lol. There would be legal agreements between the investors though that would secure the committed funding.

it’s similar because everything the dolphins had the western bears had committed to be in place by kick off. If there was a concern about viability then why wasn't a bank or govt surety asked for like dolphins? That covers that risk.

 

[Matt_CBY]

Not yet - still in negotiation.

And it says something to me that every other bid has also failed so far. Except PNG. Something may be wrong with this process.

You’re not even following the story are you?

The consortium is out. The ARLC told the WA Government they work with the consortium (Cummins out, aka he lost). ARLC now negotiating only with the WA Government.

 

[Wb1234]

Honestly if Perth were a standalone bid without the bears they would stilll succeed eventually like dogs panthers sharks etc who struggled for decades before getting there

Joining with the bears lessens that time plus gives them juniors and members / cash from Sydney

That already would’ve been a strong bid

What pvl is doing now is the cherry on top

 

[Trifili13]

I find it amusing all the people trashing the AFL, yet are praising PVL for following the AFL when it comes to getting as much out of government as possible.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

They weren't a bottom 4 team, you said it, there's your pessimistic dumb ass answer.. and they did win it, twice, which is more than the titans and warriors, and the same as the Cowboys =all expansion areas.. sounds like you hate the idea of expansion rather than just the bears... no one said Perth needs to win the premiership immediately to be a success, just not be spooning for its exexistence

They won 2 comps in just under 90 years, and both of those in the early 1920s. So about as successful as a tissue paper diving suit.

And in 1999 their last year they finished 14th. Out of 17. So bottom 4.

I await your usual pic, you're getting more like your mate Tiktok everyday with his laughing emoji.

 

[MugaB]

I find it amusing all the people trashing the AFL, yet are praising PVL for following the AFL when it comes to getting as much out of government as possible.

We trash them, coz they get away with murder, but apparently we aren't allowed to do what they do

 

[Wb1234]

We trash them, coz they get away with murder, but apparently we aren't allowed to do what they do

We aren’t allowed to do one tenth of what they do

lol if we had parity we would’ve gotten a few extra billion out of various govts