WA BEARS

[MugaB]

Interesting how sensible posts can be when they say what your small brain thinks.

Hey last drinks for miltrollhouse and logan/donks
Cheers everyone!!!!
Loving this forum now

 

[Matt_CBY]

On the western bears jersey they should have the western reds roo on it like what west's do with Magpies

Why?

 

[Reflector]

It's hard to move players when they're all long retired since "99.

The time gap makes it seem a lot more new than it is, but it's the same club revived in a new city with a name change to reflect it.

Maybe we can see if Ben Ikin, Billy Moore or Jason Taylor feel up to getting in shape and taking the field for the Bears first game in 2027, just to shut the doubters up?

 

[MugaB]

Why?

Why not?

 

[MugaB]

Maybe we can see if Ben Ikin, Billy Moore or Jason Taylor feel up to getting in shape and taking the field for the Bears first game in 2027, just to shut the doubters up?

Mark Geyer and Brad Mackay too

 

[Reflector]

Makes sense at Allianz from a revenue perspective, makes no sense at NSO. Might as well use that for what would be a low drawing game in Perth given the NS fans will fill it regardless.
The manly at nso is just pure nostalgia from the Sydney media.

I would have the Manly clash at Allianz, and save the NSO clash for a lower-drawing out of state side like the Titans.

 

[Wb1234]

Wasn’t it a consortium including Mike Willisee and a couple of others as owners when they moved to Sydney? Or did they come in after the Pink Pantera fiasco? Edelstein also claimed to buy Cronulla… that only lasted a few days I think. Shonk.

I only remember edelstien and capper

at that stage I hadn’t watched a game of afl

 

[Perth Red]

I would have the Manly clash at Allianz, and save the NSO clash for a lower-drawing out of state side like the Titans.

There’ll only be one ‘home’ game in Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

News Article - from Sporting Base (coaching speculation again)
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Arthur shapes as first Western Bears coach as expansion follows Bennett blueprint
AUGUST 15, 2024
BY ISAAC MCINTYRE

Arthur shapes as first Western Bears coach as expansion follows Bennett blueprint
Brad Arthur is the lead contender to helm the Western Bears when they join the NRL in 2027 as the next expansion team, with the club eager to look in a proven commander and the recently ousted Parramatta Eels coach keen to take the gig.

Arthur is coaching the seventh-placed Leeds Rhinos in the English Super League right now but should be free to eventually return to Australia by the end of 2026, if not sooner.

The Sporting Base has heard things are already progressing behind the scenes. Not only are the early Bears powerbrokers already trying to sort things out, but rugby league bosses like Peter V’Landys and Andrew Abdo are also lending a heavy hand in recruitment. They similarly helped the Dolphins as that Brisbane club prepared for its inaugural campaign.

There have been some suggestions from Fox Sports that the Western club may try to poach legendary Melbourne helmsman Craig Bellamy over Arthur, but The Sporting Base hasn’t heard anything on that front; it would be a shock for Bellamy to leave the Storm.

Instead, it seems like Arthur will be slotted in in 24 months to begin the building.

This follows the same blueprint Redcliffe just followed: Pick up a tenured NRL coach, hand them the reigns, and then have the whole football department work together to construct a competitive roster—as well as a plan for the future. The Dolphins, who ran out the exact same strategy with Wayne Bennett, are currently running eighth.

The Bears’ return will mark the first time the famed rugby league brand competed in the top flight since their doomed 1999 run. At the time, Arthurs was captain-coaching the Cairns Brothers.

Arthur Shapes As First Western Bears Coach As Expansion Follows Bennett Blueprint | The Sporting Base

Arthur shapes as first Western Bears coach as expansion follows Bennett blueprint Arthur is coaching the seventh-placed Leeds Rhinos in the English Super

thesportingbase.com

 

[T to the T]

Western Bears can thrive in Perth as NRL learn lessons from darker times | Nick Tedeschi

New club with links to North Sydney will be a welcome addition but league must set them up for success to build on budding support in the west

www.theguardian.com

Western Bears can thrive in Perth as NRL learn lessons from darker times​

New club with links to North Sydney will be a welcome addition but league must set them up for success to build on budding support in the west

Western Reds now seem like little more than a fever dream. A team that survived just three seasons in the big time, first a beneficiary and then a victim of the overly-ambitious, hedonistic rugby league scene of the 1990s. The Perth-based club were lauded for helping take a north-eastern game national before playing a key role in the great split by signing with the rebel Super League. The Reds played just 62 premiership matches, but in their short existence they lived a life.

The eventual fate of the Reds said little about the prospects of rugby league thriving at the elite level in Perth, and the impending announcement that another team will soon join the premiership is welcome news. The Reds were set up to fail, astonishingly having to pay the travel costs of all teams travelling to Perth – as well as their own – while fighting for players, coaches, administrators and attention as one of four clubs added in 1995. With that kind of introduction, it was not surprising that the Reds became an unsustainable proposition.

What was surprising was how much the Reds got right. They did not have the benefit of a natural flow of talent but they managed to attract established names like Brad Mackay and Matt Rodwell, veteran Mick Potter, youngsters Robbie Kearns and Matt Geyer, and a collection of colourful identities led by Mark Geyer and Julian O’Neill. More notably the Reds ranked eighth of 20 teams in attendance in their debut season, 13th of 20 in 1996, and eighth of 10 in the Super League season. The seedlings were sprouting even as the bombs were dropping.
Rugby league games taken to Perth since then have only confirmed that the city is ready to embrace their own team. State of Origin clashes in 2019 and 2022 both drew just under 60,000 fans. Double-headers at Optus Stadium attracted crowds of 38,824 and 45,814. Only one of the 17 games at HBF Park since 2005 has attracted less than 11,000 people.

The demographics of Perth also suggest a team will have a strong chance of survival. Perth has large expat English and South African populations that can be expected to find rugby league more appealing than Australian rules football. Western Australia is the second fastest growing state in terms of population and is flush with mining industry cash, while Perth was recently named the 12th most livable city on the planet. Attracting players will not be an issue, a problem that will be front and centre when Papua New Guinea join the competition soon after.

One issue that has historically hindered new clubs has been creating an identity. Nearly two decades on it is still unclear what the Titans are about while the Dolphins, in just their second season, are far more identifiable with a large fanbase built on their time in the Queensland Cup. The consortium leading the Perth bid for entry into the NRL alleviated that pressure by merging with the North Sydney Bears, a foundation club that has not played in the premiership as a standalone entity since 1999.

Despite a quarter-century in the wilderness and the realisation that the Bears would never re-enter the competition in the overcrowded Sydney market, the club has persisted in trying to find a way back in. No brand in rugby league brings greater goodwill than the Bears, whose iconic red-and-black motif and history of underachievement saw them become many fans’ second favourite team. By aligning with the Bears brand, Perth have tapped into 90 years of premiership history, the goodwill of the entire league, an old fan base, and a setup in Sydney that operates a very successful NSW Cup side.

The NRL have no doubt taken great heart and learned many lessons from the early successes of the Dolphins. The club hit the ground running when they recruited the greatest coach of all-time and executed a peaceful transition process. They have not finished close to the bottom in either of their two seasons, even if they have been helped by the league with soft early-season draws.

The NRL will no doubt take a similar approach with the next expansion club and unquestionably played a role in bringing the Bears and Perth together. While there is plenty of water to go under the bridge, it would be surprising if the Bears opened up as bottom-feeders, and they will be assisted with travel and recruitment.

Moving to 18 teams extends the schedule to nine games a week while the national footprint is now real. An extra time-slot on Super Saturday – when the Bears will likely play most of their home games – will be huge when it comes to the next television deal in an unfavourable climate for fee hikes.
The Bears are in. It is a marriage made of necessity but a marriage that should work. The NRL won’t let the next Perth-based team fall apart as bosses did in the 1990s. The Bears brand will be leveraged and the NRL has enough business savvy under Peter V’landys to ensure success.

Rugby league has long needed Perth. Nearly three decades after the Reds were unnecessarily killed, the Bears are ready to fill the void and the NRL is in a place to take full advantage.

 

[Vlad59]

Western Bears can thrive in Perth as NRL learn lessons from darker times | Nick Tedeschi

New club with links to North Sydney will be a welcome addition but league must set them up for success to build on budding support in the west

www.theguardian.com

Western Bears can thrive in Perth as NRL learn lessons from darker times​

New club with links to North Sydney will be a welcome addition but league must set them up for success to build on budding support in the west

Western Reds now seem like little more than a fever dream. A team that survived just three seasons in the big time, first a beneficiary and then a victim of the overly-ambitious, hedonistic rugby league scene of the 1990s. The Perth-based club were lauded for helping take a north-eastern game national before playing a key role in the great split by signing with the rebel Super League. The Reds played just 62 premiership matches, but in their short existence they lived a life.

The eventual fate of the Reds said little about the prospects of rugby league thriving at the elite level in Perth, and the impending announcement that another team will soon join the premiership is welcome news. The Reds were set up to fail, astonishingly having to pay the travel costs of all teams travelling to Perth – as well as their own – while fighting for players, coaches, administrators and attention as one of four clubs added in 1995. With that kind of introduction, it was not surprising that the Reds became an unsustainable proposition.

What was surprising was how much the Reds got right. They did not have the benefit of a natural flow of talent but they managed to attract established names like Brad Mackay and Matt Rodwell, veteran Mick Potter, youngsters Robbie Kearns and Matt Geyer, and a collection of colourful identities led by Mark Geyer and Julian O’Neill. More notably the Reds ranked eighth of 20 teams in attendance in their debut season, 13th of 20 in 1996, and eighth of 10 in the Super League season. The seedlings were sprouting even as the bombs were dropping.
Rugby league games taken to Perth since then have only confirmed that the city is ready to embrace their own team. State of Origin clashes in 2019 and 2022 both drew just under 60,000 fans. Double-headers at Optus Stadium attracted crowds of 38,824 and 45,814. Only one of the 17 games at HBF Park since 2005 has attracted less than 11,000 people.

The demographics of Perth also suggest a team will have a strong chance of survival. Perth has large expat English and South African populations that can be expected to find rugby league more appealing than Australian rules football. Western Australia is the second fastest growing state in terms of population and is flush with mining industry cash, while Perth was recently named the 12th most livable city on the planet. Attracting players will not be an issue, a problem that will be front and centre when Papua New Guinea join the competition soon after.

One issue that has historically hindered new clubs has been creating an identity. Nearly two decades on it is still unclear what the Titans are about while the Dolphins, in just their second season, are far more identifiable with a large fanbase built on their time in the Queensland Cup. The consortium leading the Perth bid for entry into the NRL alleviated that pressure by merging with the North Sydney Bears, a foundation club that has not played in the premiership as a standalone entity since 1999.

Despite a quarter-century in the wilderness and the realisation that the Bears would never re-enter the competition in the overcrowded Sydney market, the club has persisted in trying to find a way back in. No brand in rugby league brings greater goodwill than the Bears, whose iconic red-and-black motif and history of underachievement saw them become many fans’ second favourite team. By aligning with the Bears brand, Perth have tapped into 90 years of premiership history, the goodwill of the entire league, an old fan base, and a setup in Sydney that operates a very successful NSW Cup side.

The NRL have no doubt taken great heart and learned many lessons from the early successes of the Dolphins. The club hit the ground running when they recruited the greatest coach of all-time and executed a peaceful transition process. They have not finished close to the bottom in either of their two seasons, even if they have been helped by the league with soft early-season draws.

The NRL will no doubt take a similar approach with the next expansion club and unquestionably played a role in bringing the Bears and Perth together. While there is plenty of water to go under the bridge, it would be surprising if the Bears opened up as bottom-feeders, and they will be assisted with travel and recruitment.

Moving to 18 teams extends the schedule to nine games a week while the national footprint is now real. An extra time-slot on Super Saturday – when the Bears will likely play most of their home games – will be huge when it comes to the next television deal in an unfavourable climate for fee hikes.
The Bears are in. It is a marriage made of necessity but a marriage that should work. The NRL won’t let the next Perth-based team fall apart as bosses did in the 1990s. The Bears brand will be leveraged and the NRL has enough business savvy under Peter V’landys to ensure success.

Rugby league has long needed Perth. Nearly three decades after the Reds were unnecessarily killed, the Bears are ready to fill the void and the NRL is in a place to take full advantage.

Just read that online. Great article

 

[wb2027]

On the western bears jersey they should have the western reds roo on it like what west's do with Magpies

The Reds' lineage has no tie-in with the Bears. They happen to share the same prefix and residency.
The Titans have never done anything to acknowledge the Chargers or Seagulls even though they were around much longer than the Reds, and there's no real stopping them if they wanted to.

 

[BuffaloRules]

On the western bears jersey they should have the western reds roo on it like what west's do with Magpies

That would be a nice touch and a nod to Perth RL history

 

[Centy Coast]

I would have the Manly clash at Allianz, and save the NSO clash for a lower-drawing out of state side like the Titans.

Manly fans may sell out Brokevale Oval but they certainly aren’t good travellers to any other grounds no matter how close it may be.

 

[BuffaloRules]

I would have the Manly clash at Allianz, and save the NSO clash for a lower-drawing out of state side like the Titans.

I don’t think Manly are moving their home game against the Bears to Allianz …

 

[RedVee]

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I only remember edelstien and capper

at that stage I hadn’t watched a game of afl

I think this establishes that I’m a bit older than you W. About a decade lol.

 

[Centy Coast]

On the western bears jersey they should have the western reds roo on it like what west's do with Magpies

There is no need as this is not a merger and the Western Reds are already paid homage in the name WESTERN Bears.

 

[steeden.]

The Titans have never done anything to acknowledge the Chargers or Seagulls even though they were around much longer than the Reds, and there's no real stopping them if they wanted to.

Their membership tiers for length of membership are based on the old clubs

https://membership.titans.com.au/member-hub/loyalty-program

What is a Charger, Seagull and Giant?​

Rugby League in the Tweed Heads-Coolangatta area goes back to 1914, just seven years after the formation of the New South Wales Rugby League in Sydney, and six years after the birth of the Queensland Rugby League in Brisbane. A long and proud history has since been enjoyed in the Gold Coast and Northern Rivers region. The Giants, Seagulls and Chargers were all professional rugby league outfits, with the latter playing until 1998.

These pioneers of the past made it possible for the Titans to join the NRL in 2007. This has given our best local junior talent a pathway to represent their communities and make them proud as professional rugby league players.

Our loyalty program recognises the new generation in our Legion with while also continuing to acknowledge long-standing Members' unwavering support through consecutive years of Membership

 

[flippikat]

The Reds' lineage has no tie-in with the Bears. They happen to share the same prefix and residency.
The Titans have never done anything to acknowledge the Chargers or Seagulls even though they were around much longer than the Reds, and there's no real stopping them if they wanted to.

The Titans have worn a butcher-stripe design in Titans colours as a "heritage jersey" so there's been SOME acknowledgement of previous GC incarnations.. even though they've not used the latter day Seagulls (thick stripes), Chargers or Giants designs as heritage - Titans colours or the original ones.

 

[Wb1234]

Their membership tiers for length of membership are based on the old clubs

I love that that’s excellent