WA BEARS

[BuffaloRules]

Yep, and it was a lot more than $50k. A return flight to Sydney was around $1k back then. That’s $20k every week for a whole season extra out the budget. A lot of money back then. No wonder they bailed after being set up to fail. Hopefully vlad isnt setting us up again.

Are you aware that News Ltd owned 50 percent of Ansett Airlines at the time Perth was in the competition ? Why would they be trying to rip off all these rugby league teams they were funding , with such expensive flights?

 

[Canard]

I’m sure you are probably aware that the original plan was only to bring in 2 sides …the Warriors were already guaranteed a spot, and there was only supposed to be 1 of the other three admitted …I would probably suggest that the Crushers were the favourites …. It was a major surprise when they announced all three teams to join the competition…

It was perhaps an over reach ..but we don’t really know how things would have turned out… the game was flying at the time but SL happened before they had a chance to properly consolidate the new teams

It pains me to say it, but NQ were admitted to early.

They were sub NRL standard for at least a decade.

And the effect the new teams had on the competition was huge. The Tigers, Seagulls/Giants, Souths and Wests spiralled into poor results also.

 

[Canard]

Are you aware that News Ltd owned 50 percent of Ansett Airlines at the time Perth was in the competition ? Why would they be trying to rip off all these rugby league teams they were funding , with such expensive flights?

Mate, cmon.

Are you seriously suggesting that corporations only do the right thing, and wouldn't "clip their ticket" or take advantage of a commercial arrangement.

 

[Det.Wojciehowicz]

And the effect the new teams had on the competition was huge. The Tigers, Seagulls/Giants, Souths and Wests spiralled into poor results also.

Absolutely. I remember the no-name nuffies who were the only players we at Souths could buy in that period.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Mate, cmon.

Are you seriously suggesting that corporations only do the right thing, and wouldn't "clip their ticket" or take advantage of a commercial arrangement.

I’m suggesting that they arranged a deal on the travel costs for organisations they were funding with one of their companies they were a major owner of….

You don’t think the teams were paying full freight for flights do you as old mate is claiming? Ansett were in a formal sponsorship arrangement with Super League …I would be assuming cheaper flights would be part of the deal

 

[Perth Red]

Happy New Year!

2025 the year Perth finally returns to the top flight?

 

[Perth Red]

I’m suggesting that they arranged a deal on the travel costs for organisations they were funding with one of their companies they were a major owner of….

You don’t think the teams were paying full freight for flights do you as old mate is claiming? Ansett were in a formal sponsorship arrangement with Super League …I would be assuming cheaper flights would be part of the deal

In 1992 when the entry deal with ARL was done news ltd didnt own the reds, in 1994 when the reds were told they would have to pay for another comp side travel news ltd didnt own the reds.
it was end of 1994 early 1995 reds were offered to be bought out by news ltd, the additional unbudgeted costs were a big driver in the decisions made.

It was by all accounts a very acrimonious decision with half the board against and half for. the Ill feeling spread through out the WARL and it’s clubs and within a few years there was no reds, fewer WARL clubs and a registered player base that dropped from 10k to 2k. No one suffered more from the superleague war than rugby league in the West.

but we look forward not back, 2025 the year of reemergence of rugby league in the West?

 

[BuffaloRules]

In 1992 when the entry deal with ARL was done news ltd didnt own the reds, in 1994 when the reds were told they would have to pay for another comp side travel news ltd didnt own the reds.
it was end of 1994 early 1995 reds were offered t9 be bought put by news ltd, the additional I budgeted costs were a bog driver in the decisions made. It was by all accounts a very acrimonious decision with half the board against and half for. thenill feeling spread through out the WARL and it’s clubs and within a few years there was no reds, fewer WARL clubs and a registered player base that dropped from 10k to 2k. No one suffered more from the superleague war than rugby league in the West.

I’ve told you what happened …so I’m claiming your source is wrong ….

The ARL didn’t need to admit Perth … they were only looking for one extra team and had other options… the flight costs were a factor, so Perth offered to pay them to improve their bid prospects …you can’t offer to pay for something and then complain that you have to pay for something …although that’s what you are doing …

 

[Perth Red]

I’ve told you what happened …so I’m claiming your source is wrong ….

The ARL didn’t need to admit Perth … they were only looking for one extra team and had other options… the flight costs were a factor, so Perth offered to pay them to improve their bid prospects …you can’t offer to pay for something and then complain that you have to pay for something …although that’s what you are doing …

And I’ve told you what actually happened, in 1992 as part of the admission agreement the reds agreed to pay travel costs for first team and had it budgeted for and felt they could manage it, then in 1994 ARL announced the addition of of an additional comp. This added a whole season of extra travel costs for sides to the reds budget and ultimately drove them into news ltd arms due to forecasted unsustainable additional costs.

this knowledge comes from a man who was sat at the reds board room table at the time. I’ll take his word for it.

 

[BuffaloRules]

And I’ve told you what actually happened, in 1992 as part of the admission agreement the reds agreed to pay travel costs for first team and had it budgeted for and felt they could manage it, then in 1994 ARL announced the addition of of an additional comp. This added a whole season of extra travel costs for sides to the reds budget and ultimately drove them into news ltd arms due to forecasted unsustainable additional costs.

this knowledge comes from a man who was sat at the reds board room table at the time. I’ll take his word for it.

so what would have been the result if Super League didn’t happen ? Would they have been broke half way through their first season ? Doesn’t sound like the ARL had very good due diligence then in deciding to admit them then…. Like I said ..this is a team they were under no obligation or pressure to admit to the competition

 

[Perth Red]

so what would have been the result if Super League didn’t happen ? Would they have been broke half way through their first season ? Doesn’t sound like the ARL had very good due diligence then in deciding to admit them then

Yes they might we’ll have, which is a sad indictment on the ARL management of the time. They were set up to fail by adding the extra comp and expecting the reds to pick up the tab. NQ would likely have gone the same way. Even warriors had some pretty tough financial struggles in early years and they were supposed to be the next broncos. Ironically the crushers were the only one of the 4 that started on a solid base.

the caveat on that is the hyper inflation of wages due to the war, without Superleague players and coaches salaries wouldn’t have become insane so maybe nq and reds may have somehow managed to make it work, we’ll never know.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Yes they probably would, which is a sad indictment on the ARL management of the time. They were set up to fail by adding the extra comp and expecting the reds to pick up the tab. NQ would likely have gone the same way. Even warriors had some pretty

Im not buying this argument .,.,I’m sure these businessmen would have had their contractual obligations clearly laid out in 1992 when they were admitted …. You can’t just turn around two years later and say ..wait here’s more costs for you to absorb

The fact other teams failed or were doing it tough is no surprise given the upheavals of the SL war … the worst period the game here has ever gone through

 

[Hey you guys]

Happy New Year!

2025 the year Perth finally returns to the top flight?

2025 will be the year of the bear.

have confidence mate. lol!!

 

[Perth Red]

Im not buying this argument .,.,I’m sure these businessmen would have had their contractual obligations clearly laid out in 1992 when they were admitted …. You can’t just turn around two years later and say ..wait here’s more costs for you to absorb

The fact other teams failed or were doing it tough is no surprise given the upheavals of the SL war … the worst period the game here has ever gone through

Buy it or not that’s up to you. My info came from a Reds board member of the time. Unless someone can come up with evidence to the contrary that’s the most reliable info I have.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Buy it or not that’s up to you. My info came from a Reds board member of the time. Unless someone can come up with evidence to the contrary that’s the most reliable info I have.

yeah ..so you say … you got a source for everything ….things that happened 30 years ago and things that happened last week

 

[bad boy bubby]

I lived in Perth 92-93 and let me tell you that the flights return to the east were bloody expensive. Mostly around $750 approx. I remember getting them on special for $550.
My pay was about $360 in the hand at the time.
The rent was cheap though, $70 per week for a fully furnished unit on Scabs Beach.

 

[Perth Red]

yeah ..so you say … you got a source for everything ….things that happened 30 years ago and things that happened last week

Now you’re sounding like pies lol

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Perth reds has coffee dates with geriatrics and now he thinks he is the know all of reds when the bloke wasn’t even in the country during the time they played… yeah ok

 

[SirPies&Beers]

@Perth Red who was your source about western reds we can do quick online check to see if he was an actual administrator and put together a time line won’t be hard

also who is your source regarding west aussies bears? because you might need new one or maybe as I been saying you just like lying on the internet to strangers to make yourself feel important

 

[BuffaloRules]

Perth reds has coffee dates with geriatrics and now he thinks he is the know all of reds when the bloke wasn’t even in the country during the time they played… yeah ok

Back in the early 90s … I understand Red was getting the train from Hull down to Australia House in London every week , to read the Aussie papers and keep up to date with the Perth ARL bid ..