Walker fined 10% of salary and dropped from Roosters team

[DJ1]

Walker was charged with criminal offences, the Bulldogs were not. As such the naming of players is then governed by the OH&S agreement.

Grasping at straws here DJ1. The players were under the direct supervision of your club at the time. Your club chose not to act by making the players names public they then accept the penalty for the players and then in turn dish out their own punishment to the players. And FYI, occupational health and safety has got nothing whatsoever to do with this.

All players have a confidentiality clause as part of their standard contract. As Walker was charged with a criminal offence it became public knowledge and thus outside any HR / OH&S confidentiality clauses.

The inconsistency is rampant. You were able to act immediately as the charges were immediate, we were not and are still attempting to gain access to evidence.

Evidence of what exactly?

The club is still in the process of gaining access to all available evidence. In particular the security camera footage.

The club has not had the opportunity to defend as yet.

Defend what exactly? Your club took these players away for a club endorsed trip and failed to adequately provide supervision to ensure they didn't break club rules. Who is at fault?

The club has not yet had the opportunity to defend the issues outlined in the NRL justification at the appeal for the fine of $500K

Even when it is unproven? Do you simply take the journalist's word for it like the other reports which have since been proven wrong?

What reports have been proven wrong? I hate the media more than your DJ1, believe me. But if they presented to the NRL what they had and the NRL chose to act, surely that tells you there was some truth to the claims? Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

Are you suggesting that the NRL took no action until the media brought forth all their evidence which was then weighed up by the NRL board who then unanomously agreed that based on the evidence in front of them a $500K fine was justified. lol

What evidence brought to the NRL? Even their own investigators said that the media reports were inaccurate.

Well we'll soon see won't we. Your clubs' actions in dishing out punishment will determine how much "evidence" there really was!

Making an assumption of guilt is vastly different to proving it.

Other way round. If guilty they can be named.

Incorrect! If no charges have been laid there is no reason to deny the players a public rebuttal. Unless there is something to hide for the impending civil case?

Rubbish

and the latest evidence now seems to support his original statement.

Does it? Obviously the investigating police have a different view.

Seems the DPP view differs from the investigating police too doesn't it.

Do you mean the only one scheme that was investigated?

Arh yes the age old adage of the dogs. Blame everyone else!!

You still didn't answer my question? Do those cheating, lying whores still enjoy membership priveralges?

Chook.

I hope so. I'd love to run into them at a game.

 

[DJ1]

DJ1. Get real for a moment. Your club sacked its football manager resposible for ensuring your players followed the code of conduct. Legal charges aside, your players DID break their code of conduct (Assuming your club has one) and none have been penalised for that. Hughes took the fall. Regardless if they did or didnt break any laws. There presence at that hour when they should have been locked up (pardon the pun), led to the mess. They broke their own code. My guess is that your club doesnt have a code of conduct.

My understanding which may be wrong of Hughes sacking is that he was sacked due to the following.

1 - A player brought a woman back to the hotel complex. (which under normal circumstances would get the death penalty but as this is the first time that it has happened in the history of Rugby League a more lenient approach was taken).

2 - The directive from the board to ensure that players were dressed in "office" attire for police interviews was supposedly not communicated effectively.

3 - No one assaulted any police officers.

 

[TRANSLATION]

This thread is laughable.

Even trying to compare what the Bulldogs did...regardless of whether charges were laid or not....to the Walker incident is disgraceful

DJ1 you really need to get a grip.

Bashing a Woman ( If the reports are true ), would fall just one level below raping mate.

It's Piss weak, and shows what kind of a man he is.

Like i said, IF the reports are true and SUBSTANTIATED, he should be bannished from the game.

Simple.

 

[DJ1]

Let's see,

Bashing a woman police officer

versus

Bringing a girl back to your hotel complex

I would have to agree with roosterphin that one of these is disgusting

 

[Chook]

This thread is laughable.

Even trying to compare what the Bulldogs did...regardless of whether charges were laid or not....to the Walker incident is disgraceful

DJ1 you really need to get a grip.

Bashing a Woman ( If the reports are true ), would fall just one level below raping mate.

It's Piss weak, and shows what kind of a man he is.

Like i said, IF the reports are true and SUBSTANTIATED, he should be bannished from the game.

Simple.

You're such a dreary little drama queen aren't you!

Having a bash with no facts, how surprising :roll:

Chook.

 

[dice]

Bashing a Woman ( If the reports are true ), would fall just one level below raping mate.

What about bashing males?

 

[rossy]

Let's see,

Bashing a woman police officer

And of course when we put it through the customary DJ1 filter, we get... absolutely no proof of this.

Provide your source to substantiate your claim or p1ss off and stop being a cowardly rumour monger.

 

[rossy]

All players have a confidentiality clause as part of their standard contract. As Walker was charged with a criminal offence it became public knowledge and thus outside any HR / OH&S confidentiality clauses.

HR or OH&S clauses?

Do you actually believe this tripe you write?

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. OH&S legislation is completely different in each state. A player contracted in NSW to a National organisation commits an offense in Queensland. How is it an OH&S or a Human Resources issue?

Don't try and pretend you know about things you have no idea about. Stop being so pompous and ignorant.

 

[ibeme]

All players have a confidentiality clause as part of their standard contract. As Walker was charged with a criminal offence it became public knowledge and thus outside any HR / OH&S confidentiality clauses.

HR or OH&S clauses?

Do you actually believe this tripe you write?

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. OH&S legislation is completely different in each state. A player contracted in NSW to a National organisation commits an offense in Queensland. How is it an OH&S or a Human Resources issue?

Don't try and pretend you know about things you have no idea about. Stop being so pompous and ignorant.

It's a workplace agreement written into their contracts. It is the same reason why the drug user couldn't be named or confirmed by the club, only fined. Had the club named him, they would have been in breech of this agreement, and would have had to answer to the industrial relations comission. The players wouldn't agree to off-season testing for rec drugs without a confidentiality clause. I don't know what else this agreement covers.

 

[izzo]

so losing $3500? good to see a cock earn chicken feed

 

[_Johnsy]

Fact

He did not bash or assault a female officer, he attempted to. He did assault a male officer.

 

[DJ1]

All players have a confidentiality clause as part of their standard contract. As Walker was charged with a criminal offence it became public knowledge and thus outside any HR / OH&S confidentiality clauses.

How is it an OH&S or a Human Resources issue?

An employment contract is a Human Resource document which outlines roles, tasks, working conditions, expectations and Occupational Health and Safety guidelines.

I can understand your confusion as you have most likely never seen one.

Don't try and pretend you know about things you have no idea about.

I'll leave that to you.

Stop being so pompous and ignorant.

Apologies for stepping on your turf.

 

[rossy]

I can understand your confusion as you have most likely never seen one.

Keep going. Industrial relations is your area of expertise is it? Tell me more, i'm very interested.

You seem to have avoided which jurisdiction and OH&S Act Chris Walker was covered under at the time. HR departments have no legal standing when it comes down to it. But you'd know that, wouldn't you?

But you're doing really well. No, really, you are.

 

[melon....]

Let's see,

Bringing a girl back to your hotel complex

You forgot to add..."And ALLEGEDLY systematically raping her."

 

[Kiwi]

It was reported the fine for Walker was $20,000, if thats 10% of his contract, the I guess he isn't on the 40,000 - 50,000 Rooster fans keep telling us he is on.

 

[melon....]

Walkers contract was split payments over th eterm. I think you'll find he was signed on 45K incentive after Souths AGREED to let him go.

This year I think you'll find he is probably on around 150K which equates to $15K fine.

 

[Kiwi]

Walkers contract was split payments over th eterm. I think you'll find he was signed on 45K incentive after Souths AGREED to let him go.

This year I think you'll find he is probably on around 150K which equates to $15K fine.

I wasn't refering to you when I said rooster fans had been saying it. A few have said this year Walker is on 50,000.

 

[ibeme]

Let's see,

Bringing a girl back to your hotel complex

You forgot to add..."And ALLEGEDLY systematically raping her."

You've seemed to have forgotten that the case was dropped with no charges laid, which means any allegations that were are now nil and dead in the water. They should never be taken into consideration when handing out any punishment. I can't begin to tell you how stupid it is to suggest otherwise.

 

[Kiwi]

Let's see,

Bringing a girl back to your hotel complex

You forgot to add..."And ALLEGEDLY systematically raping her."

You've seemed to have forgotten that the case was dropped with no charges laid, which means any allegations that were are now nil and dead in the water. They should never be taken into consideration when handing out any punishment. I can't begin to tell you how stupid it is to suggest otherwise.

really, according to league week there will be legal action taken by the lady in question, so I guess it isn't "dead in the water"

 

[ibeme]

Let's see,

Bringing a girl back to your hotel complex

You forgot to add..."And ALLEGEDLY systematically raping her."

You've seemed to have forgotten that the case was dropped with no charges laid, which means any allegations that were are now nil and dead in the water. They should never be taken into consideration when handing out any punishment. I can't begin to tell you how stupid it is to suggest otherwise.

really, according to league week there will be legal action taken by the lady in question, so I guess it isn't "dead in the water"

The case is dead in the water. If things proceed to civil action, it becomes a new CIVIL case, which is not a criminal case. There's no guilty or not guilty verdict. It's whether compensation should be paid or not based on the balance of probability.