Warriors salary cap investigation

[The Colonel]

Whether its the knights,dragons or harden hawks. A precedent has been set that has nothing to do with points. The NRL effectively said that the dogs could not win the premiership the year they were caught. Which is exactly what they have to do this year. Imagine by some fluke that the warriors got under the cap, scraped into the finals and miraculously won the comp. How much credibilty would the cap have in future years. You could go out and spend huge at June 30 and buy all the rep players on the market, fess up your over the cap on March 1 the next year after all the clubs have filled thier books, pay a fine get under the cap and if no points were deducted you might very well win a comp.

You're confident that the team the Warriors have assembled will win the GF? Miraculous or not I can't see it happening with the roster they have given the losses they have had.

If a club were to do what you are suggesting I'd think you would find that many of the contracts that they would try to register with the NRL wouldn't be.

 

[El Diablo]

If the Warriors get under the cap before the season starts then what is the difference between that and the Dogs in 03?

nothing imo

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The Dogs still got to play the majority of the season as front runners, with resulting extra revenue from gate takings etc that a winning team produces. Ruling a team out of contention before the start of the season is much harsher, how are the players and fans supposed to stay motivated for an entire season if ther's no chance of their team making the finals? The only had to play 4 weeks or so out of contention, not 26.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Where not talking about putting them out of contention we are talking about 4-10 points.

 

[Cammo]

can you tell me the reason why the bulldogs lost 37 points man was it a huge coincendence that it was the points that the doggies was on (bar the bye).

They lost 37 points so as to ensure they could not play in the finals as they had played the season with a roster over the cap. This I am sure you already know so I don't know why you are asking the question.

What this has to do with The Warriors starting this season at a disadvantage is that they are also being penalised for breaches, but they are not being totally taken out of the equation because they will have got their books back in order, but they are still being punished with the loss of competition points.

The Dogs were punished in the year they were found out, they could not make the finals and finished with the wooden spoon. The Warriors look like facing the same fate but due to the fact that they will be under the cap before the season starts they will be able to (albeit unlikely) avoid the same fate depending on their results on the field.

 

[The Colonel]

The Dogs still got to play the majority of the season as front runners, with resulting extra revenue from gate takings etc that a winning team produces. Ruling a team out of contention before the start of the season is much harsher, how are the players and fans supposed to stay motivated for an entire season if ther's no chance of their team making the finals? The only had to play 4 weeks or so out of contention, not 26.

The loss in sponsorship dollars, gate takings etc would top the fine already imposed.

 

[Steelers4eva]

You're confident that the team the Warriors have assembled will win the GF? Miraculous or not I can't see it happening with the roster they have given the losses they have had.

If a club were to do what you are suggesting I'd think you would find that many of the contracts that they would try to register with the NRL wouldn't be.

No colonel, I don't think they'll win. If you read it thoroughly I said if by some fluke..... Personally I think they'll be flat out avoiding the spoon with thier current roster and without any deductions. Although I despise the bulldogs I am just pointing out that the NRL has already painted itself into a corner with the bulldogs precedent. (I don't think the dogs deserved to jhave th opportunity to win the comp or participate in the finals when they got caught either)

 

[Cammo]

Where not talking about putting them out of contention we are talking about 4-10 points.

Agreed, it is starting the season at a disadvantage as they were not able to punished in other seasons. Punishment must be handed down and if it affects this season then so be it.

The Dogs had a season affected and The Warriors should also have a season affected.

 

[The Colonel]

Where not talking about putting them out of contention we are talking about 4-10 points.

Even with two byes, the close competition and an end of season run the Knights were effectively out of contention for the finals by round 6 last season as they had given the top runners at the every least 10 points start.

 

[Dr Crane]

Agreed, it is starting the season at a disadvantage as they were not able to punished in other seasons.

Does this mean that every team that has been fined at one stage or another over cap breaches for a season past should start the next season with a disadvantage?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Where not talking about putting them out of contention we are talking about 4-10 points.

As long as the penalty give us some chance of making the finals I won't be too upset. But given how close last year was, even 6 points will be the kiss of death for aany side outside the top couple.
Also I think the penalty should be a 2 point deduction plus no points for byes, that way the table doesn't look so painful at the start of the year....

 

[The Colonel]

No colonel, I don't think they'll win. If you read it thoroughly I said if by some fluke..... Personally I think they'll be flat out avoiding the spoon with thier current roster and without any deductions. Although I despise the bulldogs I am just pointing out that the NRL has already painted itself into a corner with the bulldogs precedent. (I don't think the dogs deserved to jhave th opportunity to win the comp or participate in the finals when they got caught either)

But as I stated before the precedent you are arguing for was a precedent set 20 rounds into a season not at the start. The Dogs were also caught out and didn't open their books to the NRL like the Warriors have.

While the breaches are of a similar nature the cirsumstances behind them coming to the attention of the NRL are totally different.

 

[Tap Twist Snap]

If they take points off it will ruin the comp for the season it will make them pretty much an exhibition team. The need to either cut players to get under the cap for the season or players must be stood down each week so that a team of equal value to the rest of the teams is playing. There are plenty of other ways to penalise them without stuffing up the comp for the year.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Not really we only had to win 4 of our first 13 and we where in equal 8th position,

12 wins will get you in the top 8, it just means that the warriors will have to win 15 instead which is easily doable. - This isn't rating the warriors team @ all and includes the 2 weeks off.

 

[Cammo]

Does this mean that every team that has been fined at one stage or another over cap breaches for a season past should start the next season with a disadvantage?

Depends on the breach. If it is a systematic rorting of the cap then my answer is yes.

 

[El Diablo]

Also, if the Warriors are going to lose points which could effectively end their season then why would the players take a voluntary pay cut?

I wouldn't. What would I get out of it :?

 

[Cammo]

The Dogs were also caught out and didn't open their books to the NRL like the Warriors have.

The Warriors had been told that were getting a full audit soon. I wonder if they would have opened their books had this not been the case.

Either way it is still a good thing that the new admin is owning up to the breaches, but one must wonder if they would have done so if no audit was taking place.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

As long as the penalty give us some chance of making the finals I won't be too upset. But given how close last year was, even 6 points will be the kiss of death for aany side outside the top couple.
Also I think the penalty should be a 2 point deduction plus no points for byes, that way the table doesn't look so painful at the start of the year....

Well the next time the club or any other club considers cheating I am sure that they? Which is the point of the penalty.

 

[The Colonel]

The Warriors had been told that were getting a full audit soon. I wonder if they would have opened their books had this not been the case.

Either way it is still a good thing that the new admin is owning up to the breaches, but one must wonder if they would have done so if no audit was taking place.

Would they risk being foundout mid-season? Given what happened to the Dogs obviously their transparency now can be attributed to how harshly the Dogs were treated.

 

[Dr Crane]

The Warriors had been told that were getting a full audit soon. I wonder if they would have opened their books had this not been the case.

Either way it is still a good thing that the new admin is owning up to the breaches, but one must wonder if they would have done so if no audit was taking place.

They probably had no need to go back and look at the books from previous seasons, until they needed to get them out for an audit.

I don't know. It seems logical to me.