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We most go to 6 interchanges a game ASAP.Shocking stat.

Card Shark

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I think the fact that different body sizes can excel in league needs to be protected.

The day the little man can't shine is the day the game has lost a lot of it's appeal IMO.
 

BunniesMan

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That's what I'm saying Card Shark. The ideal balance is the big guys to dominate in the first half and the small guys to dominate in the 2nd. I feel that balance has gone out of whack lately.
 

user_nat

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It's not the must shocking thing ever.

Is that the lowest in 20 years for the first 4 round or is it comparing full years to 4 rounds?
 

Canard

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As per previous post, if its just the first 4 rounds, than its not a comparable stat (sample size).

Also whats it down from? 37.9 to 37.2 or 48 to 37.2??
 

BunniesMan

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A website dedicated to stats wouldn't misleadingly compare entire seasons to 4 rounds. It's a comparison of the first 4 rounds of every season.

It's dozens of games, it's plenty big of a sample size.
 
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I agree that interchange needs to be reduced to allow more smaller players a regular place in the game.

I don't think citing a low score is evidence of the need though.
 

taxidriver

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Since when does more points equate to better footy?

Sounds like a few of you need to go watch more alf or basketball
 

Bring it home Knights

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I agree that interchange needs to be reduced to allow more smaller players a regular place in the game.

I don't think citing a low score is evidence of the need though.

^This

I'd say bunnies man is a moron, but he hears it every day on here for very good reasons, so there's no point. He has skin like a crocodile that bloke!
 

OVP

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Yeah sorry about that stat. That's our fault for scoring a whopping 18 points combined over the last three weeks.

So you can probably put those figures down to these three entities:

Braith Anasta
Mitchell Pearce
Parramatta Eels

You forgot Anthony Scissorhands there Tommy ;-)

Seriously i doubt we'll crack the 200 this year.
 

Packy

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Mustly I agree, but surely we most think of the fatso's that wouldn't get a game after a change like this.
 

BunniesMan

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Mustly I agree, but surely we most think of the fatso's that wouldn't get a game after a change like this.
Oh no. George Rose would have to lose his gut. I think that's worth if it means the next Andrew Johns or Billy Slater is more likely to give the game a go rather than just sit on the couch and watch.
 

BunniesMan

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It's not about the points. I was merely pointing it out as a symptom of a problem. Not a problem itself.
 

eozsmiles

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I think there are a few reasons why there are less points.

1- game is dominated by possession. The team with less than 50% of the ball wins f#$k all games. So good teams don't take risks with the rock. Bad teams worry about scoring points and good teams worry about stopping them.

2- At the moment the little men are being trained up to play robotic footy because Bellyache and Des know that possession footy wins comps. Add Bennett to that list too. How many points do you expect teams to score when they rarely pass the ball in their own half? Shaun Johnson looks like a breath of fresh air. His background is influenced by touch footy, not purely RL. Same deal when Benji arrived. Small men can still have a huge influence late in matches but it relies on both them and their coach growing some balls. When the Roosters made their GF run their 3 little men played "us 3 versus the rest" in the last 20 minutes of matches and won. Straight up the middle through the big men. Small men do have a big influence on the game but only once the hard work is done. And teams spend a great deal of time working out how to negate small men, they are usually the best and most important players in a team.

3- the defence is better than ever. If you watch the defensive drills teams do at training it is so advanced compared to 20 - 30 years ago. The ball travels through the hand at about the same speed it always has but the defenders move faster in every direction and are better tacklers. They can wrestle, get numbers to tackles, stop the ball, and most importantly control the speed of the play the ball.

We all know that defence wins premierships too. More interchanges could mean more points which means more highlights. But rule changes won't change the fact that the best coaches spend more time coaching defence than they do attack. When the good teams play each other scores will be low. When the rubbish teams play each other the scoreboard will go double time.


What guarantee do we get about scoring more points with less interchanges? Will coaches just bring in more Dallas Johnson type players who can tackle all day? You can't tell me having more players like that with absolutely no attacking skill will increase the number of points. They can bring in more small men but then you have more targets in defence. Coaches don't like that, they'll probably want more tacklers than small men if fatigue is a greater factor.

If big men are pushed to the limit won't teams look to protect them? That would mean doing even less with the ball early in the game. Will possession be even more important and teams will throw the ball around even less? I don't want a sh!t boring game until the final 20 minutes just to watch a fresh small man come on try to target a prop.

Giving the small men a better go kind of means reducing the level of the game. Less interchange will mean players falling off tackles, poor kick chases, softer hit ups and tackles, more fatigue driven errors, slower play the balls, slower scrums, more kicks into touch or dead. It's a hell of a trade off to see a couple of players in each team get a chance to run amok.
 

Raider_69

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Good. Ive seen 48-42 TC games, and they wore thin after about 2 weeks

rubbish defense is as putrid to watch as rubbish attack
 
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41.62 in 2011, 42.03 in 2010, 39.25 in 2009.
31.25 in 1990.
No difference in quality of football. Some teams strong, some shit. It's like saying 1908's, 25.5 ppg means the season was worthless as well.
Meaningless stat.
 

adamkungl

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The average number of points stat aside - I agree with Bunniesman. With massively rising standards of fitness in the last 2 decades and changes to the interchange system, we have seen stronger defences and less of a range of body types playing professional Rugby League.

I would like to see the fatigue factor increased again and bring the little men into prominence in the back end of tight games. Lower the interchanges again.
 
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Why 6? Why not 8 ? Why not 7 ?

Can you show me the statistics that point to 6 being the optimal number of interchange to ratify that shocking stat ? You can't just pick 6 because its an even number and it's less than 10, this rule change would have the ability to completely change the make up of the game. There needs to be some research done in regards to its effects on the player physiologically and psychologically.
 

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