Well done David Furner

[jed]

I think some people are missing the point. David Furner finished his career last year and walked straight into one of the best PL jobs in the league, coincedently the one where his brother is head of the operation and Father is on the board. It reeks of boys club....what coaching credentials does he have better than the guy who coached the QBN Blues to a premiership? None, he has achieved as a player yet gets the job coaching with the Raiders? Anyone suggesting that it isn't a little more than a coincedence is kidding themselves.

Jed, Dave Furner is an ex player and Yes a few of us have been calling for some pride to be instilled in the Green jumper but I want someone who can coach us out of 2nd last and that will require someone who wasn't a forward. Most games our forwards compete yet we have no idea at the business end of the field. We want Daley, Stuart or someone who has a brain to unlock defences. Unfortuately Furner made his name as a strong forward and a toiler....what can he teach Carney and Co?

Furner inherited a fantastic side that was shaped and moulded by Wayne 'snoopy' Collins. Furner managed to coach that side to 4th on the table which is pretty much standard (would have been higher if he didn't have to give players to FG every week). I don't see why a thread is needed to praise Furner when he hasn't done anything spectacular at all.

I don't disagree with you at all, but I think having a go at him for being a Furner is taking it too far. I'm not at all convinced that he would have returned if not for family connections, however the "old boys club" has managed to bring back one legend. His PL side's been decimated all season by covering FG injuries whilst dealing with his own team's suspensions/injuries - now that FG's over, we're seeing them gel as a team again, and as anyone who was there last weekend can attest, we were in awesome form.

As far as a thread praising him, this was created by Parra Pete, all that any of us have done is respond.

 

[parra pete]

The whole point of the tread started by me was to confirm that "Good guys don't always finish last."
As far as good guys go, David is up there with the best.
As far as the coaching goes, he is proving that he can cut it with the best. He was one of the Superstars of the Raiders. Up there with your Stuarts and the Daley's. He continues to be a great assett to the game of Rugby League and to the Raiders Club. He gives you Green machine fans something to be proud of.
Would you not have backed the son of Octaganol (Lonhro) because it is perceived that the only reason he was good was because of his pedigree.
That is what breeding is all about. And David is certainly well bred.

 

[Raider_69]

Look Furner is a champion, great player, awesome bloke and is great to have at the club. But facts are he ios being groomed as our next HC. Thats obvious as day and it reicks of old boys club. And like Woodgers said, nothing against Furner cause im a big fan, would love him as assistant coach looking at forwards but what can he teach Zilly, Carney, Ale, Milne, etc? We need someone who knows what its like and how to control a team, which is why generally half backs, hookers and 5/8th make good coaches.

 

[skeepe]

Steve Folkes was a forward, was he not? Graham Murray as well if I remember correctly. Tim Sheens was a prop from what I have read.

Just because someone played in the forwards doesn't mean he doesn't have a good football brain.

 

[parra pete]

You seem to forget that David started his career in the backs!!!

 

[Raider_69]

true skeepe, but more often then not that is the case, which is why at the very least Furner needs another 2 seasons in PL to prove his worth as a coach IMO

 

[parra pete]

Steve Folkes was a forward, was he not? Graham Murray as well if I remember correctly. Tim Sheens was a prop from what I have read.

Just because someone played in the forwards doesn't mean he doesn't have a good football brain.

No Graham was a half back...and a very good one at that..
Jack Gibson was a forward, Donny Furner was a forward, Sticks Provan, was a forward, Killer Kearney was a forward, Phil Gould was a forward.
I can't follow your line of thinking!!!!!

 

[Raider_69]

its not that hard to follow champ
its logic

no doubt there are some very notable exceptions but more often then not a play maker will make a better coach then a forward. Particually in todays game which has so much emphisis on tactics

 

[woodgers]

The line of thinking is that we need someone who can teach our backs what to do. Right now we are like a herd of sheep and are the worst attacking side in the comp. David Furner did start his career in the backs but that was reserve grade and ended when he missed Rod Silva twice in the one game (I heard him speak about a month ago). He achieved what he did as a 2nd rower and while you can't say just because someone is a forward they don't have the 'football brain', it is fairly safe to say that each person coaches to their strengths and in this case it is forwards like Elliott, Matherson....we need help out wide, Stevie Wonder can see it.

The main point is though that he was given the 'golden slipper' job any way you look at it.

 

[parra pete]

The line of thinking is that we need someone who can teach our backs what to do. Right now we are like a herd of sheep and are the worst attacking side in the comp. David Furner did start his career in the backs but that was reserve grade and ended when he missed Rod Silva twice in the one game (I heard him speak about a month ago).
(Ha Ha...he must be using that story as a 'shoe in' to his addresses. P.P) He achieved what he did as a 2nd rower and while you can't say just because someone is a forward they don't have the 'football brain', it is fairly safe to say that each person coaches to their strengths and in this case it is forwards like Elliott, Matherson....we need help out wide, Stevie Wonder can see it.

The main point is though that he was given the 'golden slipper' job any way you look at it.

And has proved to be a great choice. As, in everything, its not what you know, it's who you know. I am not saying that is right or wrong. Better the devil you know rather than the other.
No doubt those who appointed David KNEW he was made of the right stuff to be a success.

 

[Raider_69]

id prescribe to the idea that those who appointed dave (namely his father and brother) didnt two bobs if he had what it takes for coaching, only that his name was Furner... the fact that he appears at this stage to be a good coach (keeping in mind he is working off Snoopys efforts in previous years) is simply a co-incidence

 

[parra pete]

You are a deadset goose.

 

[Raider_69]

im deadset realistic... do you think if management was headed up by Fred Clyde and Brad Clyde Sr. that Dave Furner would have got the gig? HA!

You poor naive fool

 

[Edwahu]

IMO a much bigger problem then our backs and halves is that we havent had a class dynamic forward with any kind of attacking abillity come through in a long time. They are all one dimensional like Supercoach was. You wouldnt find a better coach then Furner to fix that.

As for backs, Zillman, Herbert, Milne and Pearson seems to have improved a bit under his tutelage.

 

[Raider Ultra]

You've seen Zillman, Herbet, Pearson play?

 

[chub]

What happened to Wayne Collins anyway?

 

[Edwahu]

You've seen Zillman, Herbet, Pearson play?

Yep, a fair few times.

What happened to Wayne Collins anyway?

He is assistant coach.

 

[parra pete]

im deadset realistic... do you think if management was headed up by Fred Clyde and Brad Clyde Sr. that Dave Furner would have got the gig? HA!

You poor naive fool

How sad are you!!! You have a bloke doing a great job and you are down on him because of his 'supposed' family favoritism. Get a life.
I can't believe that a simple thread congratulating one of the best blokes in Rugby League on doing a good job has created such controversy. No wonder the Raiders first grade team is struggling if moron like you are anything to go on. Grow up brother. It's 2005. Get the chip off your shoulder, smell the roses, life goes on. Ob la de, Ob la da.

 

[Brimmer]

Personally I have no problem with it. I don't see too many coaches bashing down the doors to get there. Any club would welcome a player like Furner into their ranks.

Sure it reeks of nepotism but if the result is a positive, I'm happy with that.

I probably not speaking with a lot of nouse on the subject but can't members vote the furners out? Are there any other tickets gettin' round that members want to jump on?

It would be silly to say that any coach who played in the forwards can't teach a team. It is more about the footy brain. Many of these players who have pursued coaching careers have done a great deal of study and mentoring to get there.

Even though I think Elliot is not the greatest coach in the world, I believe he has been trying to play to our strengths. We would be all be excessively naive to think that our current roster of backs are going to dominate a "back dominant" style of play.

Name every player in the canberra backline and I think you could name at least (at least!) 5 players in other teams you could consider to be their equal or better.

Bout time we looked at the back problem seriously. As stated in previous threads... even our favourite backs are nuffies compared to players out there in the NRL.

 

[thickos]

As for backs, Zillman, Herbert, Milne and Pearson seems to have improved a bit under his tutelage.

I think a lot of that Ed is also that they're all one year older and wiser in their footballing careers. Zilly's what - 18?