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Nages

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blacktip-reefy said:
I totally disagree.
If I was Mason or Sherwin, I would look at legal avenues open to me for the the slurr these fines have placed upon my character.
Who f**king cares, even if they come in speedos! At the end of the day, it is their lives on the line.
These players are not one entity in a legal case. The team or club are not being prosecuted. The individuals are. They had no obligation to appear at the questioning. So why should they be told what to wear.
For any official to have jumped the gun & pre-empted anything or cause a public perception about one of their players, is ridiculous, dangerous & unprofessional.

Steve Mortimer was in over his head. He is not qualified for the job. That is why he is gone.
His job requires someone with acumen, not passion.


You're kidding yourself, BT.

If it was you or I... maybe. But these guys are public figureheads for their team. As such they should have given this matter the respect it deserves. No one is saying they're guilty by questioning them. But I, for one, am saying that by publicly treating these proceedings with slovenly disrespect, it makes the entire club look like they’re doing the same.

The kind of bravado you’re championing is exactly the kind of arrogance that is on daily display at the Dogs, ad nauseam.

Where Mortimer was in over his head or not – he took a stand against that kind of behaviour, and got shafted for it. He’s better off, in my opinion.
 

Nages

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blacktip-reefy said:
At the end of the day, it is their lives on the line.
These players are not one entity in a legal case. The team or club are not being prosecuted. The individuals are.

If it were my life, I'd want to appear like I was taking it seriously - not heading off to a BBQ.

And the Club could very well be prosecuted for the actions of their players. Certainly by the NRL and possibly by the law.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Facts
1) Mortimer was short term CEO until they found a replacement. He knew he was not going to keep the position. Especially since they rejected his approach for a new contract 3 months ago. He has been "gone" for a while.

2)The kind of Bravado I'm championing is that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In the Dogs situation, that is not the case. You & others by criticising their fashion sense, illustrate that perfectly. Criminals must wear suits (according to the media sheep)!

3) The NRL cannot prosecute. & what has the entity, the Bulldogs, done wrong? How has it broken the law? Is this another fashion prosecution? Maybe wrong colours? Or a V's & stripes not in this year?
 

millersnose

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fair points reefy

but if the allegations are proven to be true as with the previous year surely the club is due for criticism
 
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BTR, I generally agree with most things you say, which in itself is pretty scary. However, perception is everything, particularly if one is being interviewed by the police. If, and I say IF, this matter goes to court, it all lends itself to credibility. Dress. Demeanour. Attitude etc. Yes BTR. I do know about these things. I also think you'll find that they HAD to co-operate. At that early stage most of them were suspects and could have been arrested and questioned.

As for the DNA. I would expect that if you had nothing to hide then you would want to supply a sample of DNA to eliminate yourself as a suspect. Take a look at all the blokes in Wee Waa. They weren't forced. They did it because they were men. Again BTR I know about this area. I have numerous mates and relatives in that town.

If you've got nothing to hide, then why be secretive.
 

blacktip-reefy

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Again, who is being secretive?
One player who police say is deinitely not a suspect, refused.
The other 20 players who police say are definitely not suspects, agreed. & now they are slurred because of their fashion.
What did the hicks in Wee Waa wear I wonder? Cotton? 400 or so men in axactly the same situation as 20 dogs players, actually a better position because the police in this case, knew exactly who was involved. Different standards? Definitely!
To have to delve into fashion in an attempt to predict guilt or analyse the situation is the most bizzarre thing since Lindy Chamberlain case.

& yes Millers, th e club is open to huge amounts of criticism. But, nothing punishable by law. I think even the NRL will find it very, very difficult to impose any penalties regardless of the outcome.
 

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1 - The Bulldogs (through a Mortimer) have basically admitted that 'something' happened at Coffs Harbour. I think it was referred to as 'immoral' or something along those lines.

2 - Surely one or more of the players knows what happened. So are they not obstructing the course of justice by not saying anything?

3 - El Masri was well within his rights not to give a DNA sample, but in doing so put himself into a hole. No one was accusing him of doing anything wrong, but refusing to give a sample looks really bad.

4 - Why were the players not dressed in club attire when attending the Police Station? If not the club polo shirt, then those gay looking dress shirts that they wear after the game?

5 - Now the revelation of the "coke cover up".

Doesn't look good for the Bulldgos, especially coming after the Salary Cap issue.

They have to clean their act up, and turfing the Team Manager (because of the actions of the players) and CEO isn't the way to do it.

The players need to take responsibility, and keep out of trouble. If they can't do it by themselves, then the club needs to hire a Nanny.
 

blacktip-reefy

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RICHO said:
1 - The Bulldogs (through a Mortimer) have basically admitted that 'something' happened at Coffs Harbour. I think it was referred to as 'immoral' or something along those lines.
Yep! a very Catholic thing to say at a Catholic club. It is Immoral for 6 of you guys to do that. Illegal, no.
I have no moral problem with it, nor do many others.

RICHO said:
2 - Surely one or more of the players knows what happened. So are they not obstructing the course of justice by not saying anything?
What ? They haven't answered questions? They have broken the law? Withheld evidence knowingly? That is all untrue, unfounded & libelous.
RICHO said:
3 - El Masri was well within his rights not to give a DNA sample, but in doing so put himself into a hole. No one was accusing him of doing anything wrong, but refusing to give a sample looks really bad.
I don't think it does. I am actually glad Hasam stood up for Australians rights & chose not to.
RICHO said:
4 - Why were the players not dressed in club attire when attending the Police Station? If not the club polo shirt, then those gay looking dress shirts that they wear after the game?
Who gives a f**k!!!!! Is it relevant to anything or anybody except Grace Bros????
RICHO said:
5 - Now the revelation of the "coke cover up".
The player should be banned(like Matt Seers was ;-) ) & the club penalised for the cover up.

RICHO said:
Doesn't look good for the Bulldgos, especially coming after the Salary Cap issue.
No it doesn't. Sucked in, I hate the dogs.
RICHO said:
They have to clean their act up, and turfing the Team Manager (because of the actions of the players) and CEO isn't the way to do it.
Who do you sack then? The coach? I believe yes, as he is the king.
RICHO said:
The players need to take responsibility, and keep out of trouble. If they can't do it by themselves, then the club needs to hire a Nanny.
Yes. True.
 
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BTR,

I take personal offence to the use of the derogatory term 'hicks'. I have never insulted you and I would expect the same courtesy!!!

I can assure you that the majority of blokes in Wee Waa dressed far more decent than these overpaid prima doners did. None of them earn anywhere near the money that these players do.

Which case did the police know exactly who was involved?

It's nothing to do with fashion. It's to do with common decency and respect. Something that is severely lacking in today's society. To me it clearly shows their arrogance which is further instilled and perpetuated by the club.
 

blacktip-reefy

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OK so I'm indecent for calling poorly dressed country people in Flannos hicks, but you can call innocent peple whatever you want because they wore $200 Ettnie's $300 ray bans, etc etc. $95 diesel.
It is the most absurd argument & discussion I have ever heard.

& the case where they knew the alleged perps was the Coffs Harbour case.
The DNA sample of the non-implicated players was an elimination excercise.
 

cheese

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IMO its the chairman that has to have the acute business skills, whilst the CEO has to be a great "face of the club" and have great people skills for pleasing and attracting sponsors. At the end of the day, its the chairman that has the final say, and imo, he is the one in charge of implementing a structured busniess plan and/or model.


So im curious .....Reefy, if Mortimer is so underqualified, where does that leave our own Steve Rogers?
 

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With respect to everyone, I think you are all missing the point. The attire issue has nothing to do with whether suspected crims get better treatment when they suit up. This alleged incident occurred in a work setting - they were on tour because of their work, their airfares were paid by their employer and they were staying in accomodation paid for by their employer and even though they were not playing a game of football or training at the precise moment of the alleged incident they were in a work environment and representing their employer the whole time they were away. The consequent police investigation is therefore connected with their work whether they like it or not. Their employer cannot be charged with a criminal offence - although do not rule out the potential for the club to be sued in civil proceedings for failing to enforce their own behaviour rules which could be argued to have contributed to the incident. So, for that reason alone, their employer does have some say on how the employer wants to be represented via its employees in the follow-up investigations to the alleaged incident that happened on the employer's work tour.
Quite apart from that, these boofheads are too thick to realise that the only reason they are getting paid big or small $ for playing footy is due to the overall marketability of the game. Given what is allleged/assumed to have occurred, if these brain surgeons stopped and thought for just a second, they might understand that with every "up yours, we're just a bunch of blokes at the end of the day" piece of behaviour they are the Dogs that are biting not only the hand that feeds them but the hand that feeds all the professional players - the sponsors.
Don't kid yourself BTR, this whole saga is making League less marketable and every Dogs "get stuffed" piece of attitude is making it worse.
If these boofheads want to be just one of the boys, do what they like, when they like, they should go play amatuer A grade in the local park and get a job to pay for their own booze ups, accommodation, and the hookers they'll need to pay for to replace their alleged never ending supply of groupie "buns". If they want to continue to have a job that consists of being paid big bucks for playing sport, then they should treat it like it is a job that depends on the sport's marketability for the $ the job can give them. It's not PC imposition, it's not interfering with their rights to behave in their own way to a personal criminal investigation, it's just business.
 
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BTR,

I didn't say that you were indecent. I said that I took offence to the word 'hicks' being used. We're talking about family and mates.

My arguement was to do with decency and respect.

Unless my information is wrong, then the 'perps' as you say were not known at that early stage. The samples taken were two-fold. Elimination and identification.
 
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OO,

Well said, however let me assure you that 'suiting up' does get better treatment - police, solicitors and courts.

BTR wrote
I don't think it does. I am actually glad Hasam stood up for Australians rights & chose not to.

Is BTR a closet civil libertarian? :roll:
 

Objective One

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...sorry, last point, and this has nothing to do with the club's right to tell them how to dress....let's just assume some of these guys do end up getting charged, even though a jury should not take anything into account that they have heard outside the courtroom, we all know that to a greater or lesser degree, people do, they just don't admit it.....in case that will turn on the question of consent, maybe, just maybe the "stuff you" dress code may come back to haunt them.....what will a juror think about me and my "stuff you all" attitude......did "no" mean no or didn't I care? If they couldn't think through that risk, then my last point would have been way too complicated for them...
 

blacktip-reefy

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Objective One said:
So, for that reason alone, their employer does have some say on how the employer wants to be represented via its employees in the follow-up investigations to the alleaged incident that happened on the employer's work tour.
Fair enough. Then I guess the penrith Players suspended for assualt would wear Panthers Gear to the court case?
So who has first call? Club? Individual sponsors? The individual?
 
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No. They don't have to wear club/sponsored clothing. Just dress respectfully. It wasn't as though they were strolling down to the local shops. It was a very important interview they were attending. Respect for themselves, the club, their sponsors, their fans, Rugby League fans, the police and more impartantly, the alleged victim and potential jurors.
 

RICHO

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Gees Reefy!! Fire up son!!! Hahaha :lol:
Just stating my opinion mate.

The Dogs need to shape up, or they'll be shipped out.
 

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